UKIP Thread

[GodsGift]

Why are Ukip polling so well in Grimsby though? The population is almost 97% white-British and there's no where really close by that has been badly affected by immigration.

I'm guessing they still feel betrayed by the death of the fishing industry but that's not anything new.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Would leaving the EU mean the fishermen didn't have to stick to their quotas?

 

[SUTSS]

Why are Ukip polling so well in Grimsby though? The population is almost 97% white-British and there's no where really close by that has been badly affected by immigration.

I'm guessing they still feel betrayed by the death of the fishing industry but that's not anything new.

Boston isn't that far from Grimsby is it? (It might be a huge distance away, my knowledge of things north of the Wash is pretty poor.)

 

[GodsGift]

About 50 miles, but it takes bloody ages to get to.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Why are Ukip polling so well in Grimsby though? The population is almost 97% white-British and there's no where really close by that has been badly affected by immigration.

I'm guessing they still feel betrayed by the death of the fishing industry but that's not anything new.

My own view would be this............The fear of change.

I think I usually feel the same in Carlisle which is also a good 97% white-British and for its history has only ever had Indian for Indian restaurants, Chinese for Chinese Restaurants and everything else just about is British white.

I don't think Carlisle is at all a racist place, but the fear of adapting and moreso accepting more Muslim/Immigrants into the area over the last year or two and that bigger fear it is growing is what to me stems the UKIP vote up here.....possibly the same in Grimsby.

Saying that ULIP is interesting to see how a Party which should have no real influence and would do nothing has latched on a lot of votes from one area of policy.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The rate of immigration is just out of control and people see that. They see the demographics of cities being flipped on their head in the space of a generation and they simply don't want it. I also think that if you've grown up in a relatively mono-cultural environment then your sense of national identity hasn't been watered down in the same way that it has for people growing up in more multicultural areas, and that's a Britishness or and Englishness you want to protect. We often bemoan the lack of British national identity these days but if we keep having to redefine what Britishness is for the sake of inclusivity then what did we think was going to happen?

/rant

I didn't watch this fictional docudrama but it's been panned from what I can see on Twitter as well. Nigel Farage will use this no doubt to validate claims that the media are against UKIP.

According to the Guardian Ofcom are considering whether C4 has broken political impartiality laws.

 

[Aberstone]

Can't say I blame them either, I'm a traditional left wing voter (I say that ahead of only my 2nd general election vote) but C4 should surely hold a harsh stance against every party instead of just UKIP?

 

[silkyman]

According to the Guardian Ofcom are considering whether C4 has broken political impartiality laws.

It would be interesting to see how they came to the conclusions they did. I still suspect that the reason Farage hasn't used it as a soapbox is because he knows there is some logic behind all of it, and he doesn't want any more spotlight shined on that.

 

[Alty]

It would be interesting to see how they came to the conclusions they did. I still suspect that the reason Farage hasn't used it as a soapbox is because he knows there is some logic behind all of it, and he doesn't want any more spotlight shined on that.

Oh wise up FFS. It's been roundly criticised by almost everyone, including opponents of UKIP. The UK would not become a banana republic just because a eurosceptic party took power.

 

[silkyman]

It was a worst case scenario on every element. He's thrown away a good chance to put his case forward with a genuine right to reply.

 

[Tilbury]

Net migration up to 298,000. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31638174
Taking away everyone leaving and that's 624,000 people coming into the country.

 

[SUTSS]

Why would you take away everyone leaving though? Using gross figures isn't really that useful to debate.

Like the UKIP guy on Daily Politics the other day who was saying they wanted it to be at 50000 gross per year as a strict limit that wouldn't change but what if the UK economy wobbled and people started leaving? It's not that unfeasible to see something like that happen at some stage in the future.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I think the main three parties are doing a decent job of selling this myth that immigration is impossible to control and there's not much they can do to keep it down, as if they're trying to walk up river or something, but the truth is simply that none of them really want immigration to come down in the first place. Partly because it's what their business chums want for obvious reasons, and party because they have no other solution to the pensions pyramid scheme.

Why would you take away everyone leaving though?

Because we can control immigration but not emigration. Net immigration could rise sharply without there being any actual increase in immigrants. It's at least worthwhile to look at both, especially from the cultural point of view.

 

[Tilbury]

It's interesting knowing how many new people are coming into the country.

 

[silkyman]

Heh. Wonder how planned that was.

Mr Farage's address came after the Ukip conference threatened to be overshadowed by a Nazi-themed troupe of dancers which turned up in Margate this morning, dressed in hot pants, jackboots and Nazi insignia goose-stepping to 'Springtime For Hitler'.

The dancers, from Mel Brooks's musical The Producers, caused the scene outside Ukip's conference venue - the Winter Gardens in Margate, Kent.

A seven-strong troupe of female dancers performed a choreographed routine as Springtime For Hitler blared from a PA system on the tank turret.

The cast were in Margate to promote the new touring production of the musical comedy about a failed producer who tried to put on the worst show ever.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Genius publicity stunt to be fair.

 

[Alty]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31722779

Migration policy announced. 20,000-50,000 per year is their preference. We're currently running at just shy of 300,000.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

It's odd that we never talk about the birthrate issue.

 

[Alty]

It's odd that we never talk about the birthrate issue.

What aspect of it?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

What aspect of it?

Well if we could raise the birthrate we wouldn't need an immigration pyramid scheme to fund our pensions and maintain the retirement age in the first place. Although not many countries have had any luck trying to do that, and the ones that have have been a bit draconian about it to be fair.

 

[Veggie Legs]

What policies do you think would lead to an increase in birth rate?

 

[Alty]

Well if we could raise the birthrate we wouldn't need an immigration pyramid scheme to fund our pensions and maintain the retirement age in the first place. Although not many countries have had any luck trying to do that, and the ones that have have been a bit draconian about it to be fair.

I think you've answered your own question in terms of why it's not discussed. What's the point? Only very draconian measures, which would never be tolerated in the UK, would have any effect.

People's aspirations are different now. Having children isn't the be all and end all. It's good. For one thing we'll see fewer and fewer parents bleating on about their boring kids on Facebook as the years go by.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

What policies do you think would lead to an increase in birth rate?

Subsidising childcare for working parents like Sweden does would be a good idea I think.

 

[Alty]

Subsidising childcare for working parents like Sweden does would be a good idea I think.

Don't disagree that this is a worthwhile idea, but I think you're being a bit naïve if you expect a spike in the birth rate as a result.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

It does seem to have an effect depending on how you implement it.

Child Care Helps Boost Fertility, Report Finds

 

[Dan_Macclad]

It would need more than just childcare costs, but it would be a substantial help.. More influential in getting parents back to work than encouraging larger families.

Although I do like the Scandinavian model of parental leave, Id definitely pay more tax for that entitlement.

 

[silkyman]

I know several people who are counting financial considerations as a reason why they aren't having another kid.

And ditto we're currently talking about whether the wife can afford to go back to work or whether we need to wait for the little un to start school.

 

[Modernist]

UKIP in yet another U Turn about capping immigration.

 

[Alty]

UKIP in yet another U Turn about capping immigration.

Eh?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

They have no chance of winning so they can promise whatever they like really.