US Presidential election 2016

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'Americans' distaste for both Trump and Clinton is record breaking.'
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I wonder if voter turn-out will be record-breakingly low or just really fucking low?
 

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I really do think there is room for a third candidate so that would have some affect I'm sure.
 

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Trump has been talking a lot about how the media torpedoed Bernie's campaign and how it's a disgrace and how progressives have been robbed. Obviously trying to get him to run as an independent and split the vote :lol:
 

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The beginning of the end for super delegates.
 

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Surprised I managed to agree with a Republican on 65% of issues. Perhaps there are still a few sane ones left.

I do agree with Sanders on a great deal but I still don't quite feel I agree with him as much as this says I do.
 

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I question the validity of the questionnaire when it's possible to simultaneously agree with Hillary 97% and Bernie 98%.
 

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More corruption in the Democratic party last night with chaos at the Nevada state convention. It is claimed that Clinton number of delegates from the state has been over inflated. So they just ended it before it could be properly challenged.
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'Bernie or bust'
 
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Slim pickings on the old viddies of late but this one is very solid


CLEAR EYES FULL HEARTS STILL LOST
 

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Bernie currently leading hillary by 1.1% with 39% reported in Clinton country Kentucky, proving how weak a candidate she remains.
Oregon should be a fairly comfortable victory, will guess for a 14 point margin.
 

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Although that may be a fair summary, what's equally frightening is how Trump (and Boris and their ilk?) have so lowered the bar that some, only slightly less obnoxious and untrustworthy, opportunists can be seen as acceptable representatives and leaders in our modern democracies.
 
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Although that may be a fair summary, what's equally frightening is how Trump (and Boris and their ilk?) have so lowered the bar that some only slightly less obnoxious and untrustworthy, opportunists can be seen as acceptable representatives and leaders in our modern democracies.

Very true, interesting how the political boundaries and acceptance levels can shift like that.

FWIW, I think Trump will beat Clinton. I don't want either in power to be honest :bg:
 

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People like them because they believe they're too clumsy and obnoxious with their language to be lying about what they think. Whereas other politicians don't speak like normal humans, we know they're lying, we're just not sure about what.
 

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http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36372929

A recent Economist/YouGov poll shows that among Sanders supporters, 55% would vote for Mrs Clinton, 15% would back Mr Trump and the rest either don't know or would pick someone else. It's not particularly surprising, given that 61% of Sanders backers view Mrs Clinton unfavourably and 72% say she's "not honest and trustworthy".

Bernie or bust wouldn't appear to be a complete myth then. Rather worrying than Trump has caught Clinton.
 

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After HRC backtracked on her promise (shock) to debate Bernie in California it looks likely that he will instead debate Trump. Will be interesting.
 

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The last two national polls have had Trump leading Clinton, outside of the margin of error. He's coming guys.
I don't really need to say that Bernie continues to beat him.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/05/18/fox-news-poll-2016-national-release-may-18/

To be fair, whilst I think he'll win the polls aren't too supportive of that opinion. Pretty much all of the polls putting Trump ahead are Ramussen, so I'd figure there's something wrong with their methodology.

What is true is that Clinton's lead is dwindling. Plenty of double figure % leads last month and before that, but this month its generally been single figures.
 

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I wouldn't pay too much attention to polls, it's the final result that matters.
 

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To be fair, whilst I think he'll win the polls aren't too supportive of that opinion. Pretty much all of the polls putting Trump ahead are Ramussen, so I'd figure there's something wrong with their methodology.

What is true is that Clinton's lead is dwindling. Plenty of double figure % leads last month and before that, but this month its generally been single figures.
I think that's true re methodology of some companies, and it's something to watch for. The overall trend though now looks very well established. Democratic convention will be interesting to watch. They could really do with a 'bounce' to pick up some momentum.

As time goes on, I think people are just sort of ... getting used to Trump, which makes him more palatable to the swing voter. He is also gaffe proof, because he's already done and said everything that could be damaging. The long campaign is a disastrously bad factor for Clinton.
 

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Love him or hate him, there's no denying he's a spectacular orator. It's going to be a stark difference listening to either Hillary shriek everything for the next four years (she does realise that microphones amplify one's voice?) or Trump bumble around for an hour saying absolutely nothing.
 

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