Van Gaal - Horny Manager

[Jarv]

Perhaps the players need to feel they can take more risks as perhaps there may be a fear of making a mistake or getting dropped but the players need to deliver.

I fully agree with that but the problem is Depay who actually does try things loses the ball a few times, fans slate him and he gets dropped. At least against Wolfsburg we attacked. it was much better going forward. if we can marry that up with not giving away sloppy goals it will be a much happier fan base

 

[silkyman]

You think the fans will be happy if you score loads, not concede many and therefore win every week?

Insightful, Jeff....

 

[Jarv]

You think the fans will be happy if you score loads, not concede many and therefore win every week?

Insightful, Jeff....

LOL, what i mean is the ability to defend and score is there but seemingly not in the same match. I don't expect to win every week. i do expect them to look like they're at least trying to score rather than always look for the safe ball. If everyone was fit i'd like us to try

Herrera & Schneiderlein/Carrick/Schweinsteiger

Depay, Mata and Young (lingard playing some games)

Martial

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Odd comment from Van Gaal. Moyes esque but we aren't quite as low as that clown took us yet. He is definitely slipping intp dangerous ground though.

He definitely needs a good run at the league title or a cup win to keep his job. If the injuries dont clear up he's not got a chance but if we manage to get most our players back we have a shot given how shit the other clubs have looked too.

A good run in the Europa might be beneficial compared to getting thrashed by Munich or Barca or knocked out comfortably by an of the other sides. We should be one of the better sides in the EL and it's a compeetion I'd love to go far in despite the snobbery. I was kinda more gutted going out last time than going out of the CL as it's a trophy I've never seen us win.

I think Van Gaal on the whole has done a decent job, just quoting how much money he spent and saying he should be winning the league just doesnt take into account the situation we have been in. On the whole the money has been spent pretty well and we are in miles better postion to build on. I honestly feel we are 2 to 3 players away frombeing properly good again. We can't actually be expecting to blow away City who have spent more than us on a suqad that kept its core and an Arsenal side that have spent significantly but slowly with all the stability that Wenger brings.

He has only got himself to blame for the position we find ourselves in now though, he's cut too deep too fast. Had we had any 2 from Welbeck/Nani/Hernandez and Januzaj right now in the squad we'd be in a much better positon to cope with injuries.

 

[SALTIRE]

Steve would.

 

[Stevencc]

Steve would.

He looks nothing like Schweinsteiger ffs!

 

[SALTIRE]

He looks nothing like Schweinsteiger ffs!

A mix of LVG and Moyes though, phew it gets my juices going anyway!

 

[SALTIRE]

Van Gaal dunce of the year? Discuss.

 

[thespus]

I think Van Gaal on the whole has done a decent job, just quoting how much money he spent and saying he should be winning the league just doesnt take into account the situation we have been in. On the whole the money has been spent pretty well and we are in miles better postion to build on.

Universally criticised football? Check.
Out of an easy CL group? Check.
Out of the top 4 by January? I'll wager on it.

(Even out of the context where he manages a squad which cost more to assemble than all but 3 or 4 in Europe).

Edit - Out of the top four tomorrow if Tottenham beat Newcastle at home. Liverpool, who were recently managed by the human equivalent of a synthetic Christmas tree with bizarre white ornaments, can move within three points. The second half of their schedule is well tougher than the first, too - trips to Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham, and Manchester City.

 

[JimJams]

As I said in another thread Utd should SHOULD have been top for Christmas with 2 games to play. They had Bournemouth and Norwich to play which should be 6 points. Those above them have more difficult fixtures as well as Arsenal clashing with City which obviously meant someone above was guaranteed to drop points. Pretty pants from Lou van Gash.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Chump of the year surely?

 

[silkyman]

Remember when he was the fucking messiah because he subbed a 'keeper for a shootout?

 

[SALTIRE]

To modify on a Spearism, I think this is a great piece...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/13/manchester-united-louis-van-gaal-bournemouth

 

[silkyman]

Twitter rumours about bookies prices that LVG is soon to be no more.

(Pleasedontbetruepleasedontbetruepleasedontbetrue)

 

[AFCB_Mark]

One thing I really didn't understand from LVG on Saturday, is why on earth did he take Fellaini off after 70 mins? Dean Court was most happy and relieved to see the Afro one go off, he was causing all sorts of the trouble and was United's best player by a mile. Containing United was much more straightforward after that.

Depay and Martial showed brief flashes of quick feet, but were ineffective, plenty of wingers like that in the Championship. And in Martial's case is obviously low on confidence in front of goal missing the one good chance he did have.

 

[G-Dragon]

And so it begins...

 

[sl1k]

Don't wet yourself G-drag, t'was a hoax mate.

 

[Destruction]

Don't wet yourself G-drag, t'was a hoax mate.

Only a matter of time tho innit.

And still LOLing at Scruff's post further up.

 

[sl1k]

It'd be stupid imo, the dude was only on a short term contract anyway and I'm sure (I pray) should a better option become available in the summer he'll be gotten rid of. Tis also why I think we won't spend in Jan as what'd be the point.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Gonna stick this in here as it's been a while since the loss at bournemouth

Time to go visit the post where Scruff says LVG is doing a good job given the situation - you know the one, where you are one of the 3 or 4 most expensive sides in Europe and shouldn't be expected to challenge for the league.

It seems the press have well and truly turned against Van Gaal with just about every newspaper attacking him on a daily basis. He's getting it far worse than Moyes ever got it without the apologists to make excuses for him.

Even though this season has been a disappontment so far I really dont think the prevailing narrative is completely fair. The attack focusing on money and performances is like with the Moyes defenders is simplicity itself only this time we can swap 'he needs more time' with 'he spent loads of money', totally negelcting to look at the overall picture.

First of all the money. Van Gaal has arrived at United in a period of unprecendented wealth. in the premier league. Clubs quite simply have more money to spend than ever. 250 million may sound like a huge sum but it's gonna seem less and less significant. I keep seeing it said that Chelsea spent no money this year when actually they spent 70 million on a Championship winning squad. It's simply the way the market has gone and continues to do so.

Our squad is more expensive than others because the bulk of our players have been signed recently. That's because Ferguson undoubdedly left the squad needing some work and then Moyes pissed away two transfer windows signing two players we didnt need making the squad hugely imbalanced.It doesn't mean it should automatically be better than less expensive squads aquired over a longer period of time when prices were lower. In fact it's a disadvantage due to the lack of cohesion and stability.

Since Van Gaal has been here he's spent about 250 gross. In that same time Man City have spent about 240 million gross and Chelsea have spent around 190 gross. When you consider that those two clubs finished first and third whilst we finished 7th with a squad that the Moyes defenders, those same people attacking Van Gaal, deemed so abysmal that Moyes should have been given mroe time.

Bu thats not even the full picture. Van Gaal has eesentially lost all the key performers from that squad due to age or them leaving. I'm not gonna list the players he chose to get rid of just those who left of their own choice or have declined since Moyes due to age. So yea, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Rooney, Van Persie and Carrick are all either gone or not the players they were three years ago when that clown got the job.
On top of that 60 million of that money spenton Di Maria has already gone with us getting most of it back. So in essence we've spent less than City and around the same as Chelsea. (Edited to add I just realised Cheslea have let go Cuadrado and Luiz a year after signing them too so they have still added less to their squad in he timeframe)

One side is sitting only three points above us, the other is languishing just above the relegation zone. So I'm not sure why either Pelligrini or Mourinho is receiving not even half the stick Van Gaal is getting.

Which brings me on to performances. I'd say Van Gaal achieved about par last season. His objectives were achieved and whilst we didnt shine the whole season we did play the best football I've seen in years for a nice run and competed effectively in big games. I''d say on the whole he is probably slightly in credit but lets just say we'll judge ghim on this season alone.

Yes it's been poor so far and yes he fucked it up by putting so much faith in Rooney. There is no doubt at times we've been incredibly poor. But the goal this season is not to be the best side in Europe or win the league at a canter. Neither are realistic. He'll be judged on the same realism I judeged Moyes on. Before the season Id have said challenging for the league and having a cup run was enough. Going out in the Cl is mildly disappointing but to be honest we have zero chance of winning that , we could however do well in the Europa so I'm not too upset. As for the league we are there or there abouts.

The last month has been utter shit, no doubt about it. But I'm not gonna judge him in the middle of a horrific injury crisis before christmas when we are 3 points off the favourites to win the league.If this recent mailaise is a sign of where our season is heading and we end up in a similar position to where we were under Moyes with no hope of any European football at all and getting smashed by any half decent side we face then he'll be rightly sacked and I'll be fully behind that. We are still in a position to challenge for the league and I only expect us to improve with players as important as Herrera ,Smalling and Scneirdelin coming back and hopefully adding an attacker in January.

Before Christmas is no time to sack a manager, he has done enough so far to suggest that any bad run is temporary and he can turn around like last year. If he cant he'll be replaced in the summer.No this isnt me saying he's doing a great job just that he isn't doing anywwhere near as poorly as people are saying and the clamour for him to be sacked in the media and from some United fans right now is not right.

 

[liu]

Since Van Gaal has been here he's spent about 250 gross. In that same time Man City have spent about 240 million gross and Chelsea have spent around 190 gross. When you consider that those two clubs finished first and third whilst we finished 7th with a squad that the Moyes defenders, those same people attacking Van Gaal, deemed so abysmal that Moyes should have been given mroe time.

You blamed Moyes for taking your league winning team to 7th, while praised LVG for taking your 7th placed team to 4th. Where's your par? You can't have it both ways.

Bu thats not even the full picture. Van Gaal has eesentially lost all the key performers from that squad due to age or them leaving. I'm not gonna list the players he chose to get rid of just those who left of their own choice or have declined since Moyes due to age. So yea, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Rooney, Van Persie and Carrick are all either gone or not the players they were three years ago when that clown got the job.

When 'all the key performers' were playing for Moyes, they were only one year younger. If one year's difference can be LVG's excuse, it certainly can also be Moyes's. And when Fergie's long reign ended, I believe at least some of the 'key performers' gave the team some bad influence thinking they were too good to play for Moyes.

That's because Ferguson undoubdedly left the squad needing some work and then Moyes pissed away two transfer windows signing two players we didnt need making the squad hugely imbalanced.

Moyes also wanted Herrara, it was the other people from the club who pissed it away. And I am not sure the club supported Moyes in the transfer market as much as they supported LVG.

Which brings me on to performances. I'd say Van Gaal achieved about par last season. His objectives were achieved and whilst we didnt shine the whole season we did play the best football I've seen in years for a nice run and competed effectively in big games. I''d say on the whole he is probably slightly in credit but lets just say we'll judge ghim on this season alone.

When Moyes's two signings who you didn't need played a huge part?

 

[Mr. Scruff]

You blamed Moyes for taking your league winning team to 7th, while praised LVG for taking your 7th placed team to 4th. Where's your par? You can't have it both ways.


Huh. Praising a manager for lifting us 4 places whilst criticising a manager for dropping 6 places. In essence a ten place swing. Not really getting how they are the same.
When 'all the key performers' were playing for Moyes, they were only one year younger. If one year's difference can be LVG's excuse, it certainly can also be Moyes's. And when Fergie's long reign ended, I believe at least some of the 'key performers' gave the team some bad influence thinking they were too good to play for Moyes.

It's over two years since Moyes took over now. Rvp (whose goalscoring record was excellent under Moyes ) and Rooney in particular were both miles better players than they are now. Carrick is now 35 which is basically glue factory time. He still hadd time left in him under Moyes as he showed last year.


Moyes also wanted Herrara, it was the other people from the club who pissed it away. And I am not sure the club supported Moyes in the transfer market as much as they supported LVG.

Not this myth again. Herrera was a long term club target who was scouted under Fergie. He was sugegsted to Moyes as a last minute solution after he fucked the whole window up. The ditherer as ever though wanted more time to look at him and deemed the release clause to high. The club broke their record transfer fee, spent all summer chasing Fabregas and would have spent whatever it took to get him here. They even paid over the release clause for Fellaini. Moyes was undoubdedly backed, he was jsut clueless how to spend it.

When Moyes's two signings who you didn't need played a huge part?

At the time we had Rvp as our guaranteed number nine with , Rooney, Kagawa, and Welbeck all essentially vying for the spot alongside him. Adding another two players whos best position is the same spot for 70 million plus when you are crying our for a proper centre mid was fucking crazy.

I don't mind either of them but neither have been worth the fees we paid and niether were what we needed at the time. That they are still here is mainly due to the fact the club would never sell their statement of intent so soon after buying him and that nobody would come close to paying what we shelled out on Fellaini. Wouldnt be that surprised if either are let go of in the near future.

 

[liu]

If you believe your team were capable of winning the title, then both Moyes and LVG have hugely underachieved. If you believe your team can only challenge for the fourth place, then Moyes's team was not that far away.

If you compare the squad when Moyes took over with the squad when LVG first too over, the age difference was only one year, while LVG had a lot more big money signings.

TBH, I didn't think Mata and Fellaini were what your team needed either. But, the fact that LVG chose to start both of them in the second half of last season and they played a key part helping your team went on the best run in recent seasons showed that: 1.your team did need them. 2.at that time, even LVG believed in them more than he believed in Fergie's attacking players and Di Maria.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

If you believe your team were capable of winning the title, then both Moyes and LVG have hugely underachieved. If you believe your team can only challenge for the fourth place, then Moyes's team was not that far away.

If you compare the squad when Moyes took over with the squad when LVG first too over, the age difference was only one year, while LVG had a lot more big money signings.

TBH, I didn't think Mata and Fellaini were what your team needed either. But, the fact that LVG chose to start both of them in the second half of last season and they played a key part helping your team went on the best run in recent seasons showed that: 1.your team did need them. 2.at that time, even LVG believed in them more than he believed in Fergie's attacking players and Di Maria.

Where did I say the team was capable of winning the title? The whole premise of my argument was that Van Gaal shouldnt be judged so harshly for not doing so. Moyes wasn't sacked for not winning the title, he was sacked for not even managing a Europa league spot well behind tactics tim. He was miles away. Van Gaal on the other hand achieved fourth spot. It's far too early to judge where we;ll be this season, if we don't make it or even just limp to it he'll probably be gone, which will be fair enough.

But I wasn't comparing it to when he took over. I'm comparing it to now, as that's whats in reference to the money spent, the state of the squad now. Van Gaal didnt have any choice with Vidic , Rio , Giggs and to all intents and purposes Evra. All 3 had to be replaced. Then Rooney and Carrick are quite simply not the players they were then , 2 years is enough for a noticible decline to happen and it's apparent with both of them . Rvp can't even score at the rate he was scoring for Moyes in Turkey. A shadow of the player he was even under Moyes where he delivered a decent season.


Van Gaal has basically had what all of them offered to the squad and even though it wasnt as much as what they gave Fergie it was still considerable. Having to replace all of them, plus the other factors I've written about it's not fair to say we should be amongst the best in Europe.I honestly think par would be challenging for the league. Which means being in a realistic position to win it with 5 games to go. We'll see if he meets that target

The fact Van Gaal used them to good effect doesn't change the fact Moyes was clueless with them. He quite simply didnt know what he was doing. Fellaini was a panic buy whilst Mata was him waving his cock. Both were abysmal under him and wasted valuable time and resources. Can you honestly say had we lets say got Strootman, Garay and De Rossi. All who were available that summer at decent prices we'd have been in the state we were when Van Gaal took over. Those two transfer windows were a disaster for us.

 

[smat]

Is he on thin ice now or what?

 

[Christian Slater]

He's broken through and drowning.

 

[Nath]

I think he'll be sacked in the next 48 hours. 4 wins in 15 games with barely any shots on target. Awful playing style. Out of the Champions League with £250m spent.

Absolutely terrible.

 

[Blitzballer]

Is he on thin ice now or what?

 

[Blitzballer]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=947897298580499

 

[JimJams]

What I don't get with him is he came to Utd harping on about playing 3 at the back, it's the best system, it makes transitions easier, it's the way I want my side to play. So he tries it, it's not working because presumably he hasn't got the players to perform in it, and hasn't the time for them to learn during the season. So he abandons it. Then he gets through the season, into preseason and still he doesn't try to play 3 at the back.
Now I'm not saying 3 at the back is the way to go, but when you hire a manager and he's so keen on stressing that this way of playing will win you games, how can you trust him to get things right when he completely abandons the methods he said would work?
It's like Pep going to a club and him saying 'Yeah I play Tiki-Taka and setup with a false 9, there's no other way to play' and after a couple of games of it not working out he brings in Peter Crouch and starts playing hoofball.