w / e Saturday 25th January 2025

[valefan16]

I don’t think he got bullied by Vale CB’s at all. I actually think he did pretty well up there against 3 giant centre halves on his own, and brought others into play quite well throughout. He’s definitely not the finished article, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him so far.

He isn’t the goal threat that Grigg is though but we knew he wouldn’t be, what we need is our wingers contributing with goals like Berry/Markanday did throughout the first half of the season. Colclough is one of my favourite players but we need more from him in a goal sense as a player with his quality in a team as attacking as we are should have more than 1 league goal. Expect we’re going to sign atleast one more winger anyway, ideally to play off the right, and needs to be one that knows where the net is.

3 Giant centre halves? Kyle John is only 5’9 and Smith 5’11!

Smith does things on the sly though, has about 5 red cards he has managed to get for opponents from strikers reacting to him and a couple of retrospective bans (including our own Stockley when at Charlton) so probably a good learning curve for the lad! As soon as Hudlin came on last week the pincers came out within seconds!

 

[Spireitelass97]

I think he was just terribly inconsistent. Didn't he have a word with Cook but then booked Moore. Just a shame that we seem to be getting a lot of these sorts of refs this season. I know most clubs will say that. I thought league 1 had some terrible refs but I've seen potentially 4 or 5 worst of all time performances just this season.

It was a good game first half. Second was just not a spectacle really. Moore was always going to just try and hold out.

Surprised that Chesterfield aren't doing better to be honest. They have a few decent players in that number 10 area but just looked short up top. Colclough didn't really get into the game and doesn't seem as influential as he used to. Mandeville is a decent player. Dobra is good but can't stay on his feet...it ruins his game. Macfadzean reads the game really well....slow as fuck but doesn't need pace. There's the makings of a decent side.

Agree on your comments about us, it’s like we’ve got all the ingredients but the mixture isn’t coming together. I’m sure having to change our starting 11 constantly isn’t helping us find our flow. Dunno if anyone’s mentioned it but we had 15/16 injuries at one point…

Dobra has actually got a lot better at not throwing himself on floor too. It was every time ball came within 10feet of him when he first came to us. He could be even better if he packed it in altogether but seems to be the modern thing to do.

 

[OneDecentLester]

3 Giant centre halves? Kyle John is only 5’9 and Smith 5’11!

Smith does things on the sly though, has about 5 red cards he has managed to get for opponents from strikers reacting to him and a couple of retrospective bans (including our own Stockley when at Charlton) so probably a good learning curve for the lad! As soon as Hudlin came on last week the pincers came out within seconds!

That left sided one makes up for their lack of height then as he was fucking huge

Tbf I did notice Pepple positioned himself on your right sided CB more often than not

 

[Spireitelass97]

I don’t think he got bullied by Vale CB’s at all. I actually think he did pretty well up there against 3 giant centre halves on his own, and brought others into play quite well throughout. He’s definitely not the finished article, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him so far.

He isn’t the goal threat that Grigg is though but we knew he wouldn’t be, what we need is our wingers contributing with goals like Berry/Markanday did throughout the first half of the season. Colclough is one of my favourite players but we need more from him in a goal sense as a player with his quality in a team as attacking as we are should have more than 1 league goal. Expect we’re going to sign atleast one more winger anyway, ideally to play off the right, and needs to be one that knows where the net is.

I just thought 95% of time I noticed him he was surrounded by their defenders, or beaten to ball. But they were solid defensively so as much a compliment to them as a criticism of him. They’d have done same to Grigg, he’s just more experienced at getting away from defenders.

Agree re wingers. Ideally need Colclough injury free and back firing on all cylinders plus a new signing with goal threat and ability to run at plays of Berry/Markanday. Too reliant on Dobra for goals atm

 

[Spireitelass97]

3 Giant centre halves? Kyle John is only 5’9 and Smith 5’11!

Smith does things on the sly though, has about 5 red cards he has managed to get for opponents from strikers reacting to him and a couple of retrospective bans (including our own Stockley when at Charlton) so probably a good learning curve for the lad! As soon as Hudlin came on last week the pincers came out within seconds!

They look bigger than that tbf! I’d have said you had massive cbs too. Maybe they just have a presence

 

[SaddlerJonny]

To be fair I`ve seen both teams lately and Bradford were much better, If Matt is out for a while and having lost Lowe I suspect you will struggle especially if Simkin forgets his arms again

Simkin is a worry to be fair.

Jamma should be fine, just got a whack yesterday. Plus with the lad from United coming in with us working on another coming in before the window closes, we'll be alright.

 

[leedsvaliant]

To be fair re. Dobra I think Moore had sent your team out with the message to kick him a lot and get him off his game. I bet he's got a few sores and bruises today because I think he was definitely targeted. Especially first half there were a few heavy challenges where plenty was left on.
Don't get me wrong he's no angel but he does also get plenty of special treatment

I just don't think he helps himself. He's often already going down before any contact on him. He's a talented player, no doubt about it, and without him yesterday we'd have won.

But he's everything that's wrong with the modern game...more interested in acting than actually playing and trying to score/assist. Can you imagine someone like Gascoigne doing similar? He was constantly targeted but just rode challenges because he wanted to influence the game.

For me, he'd be a hell of a player if he stayed on his feet.

 

[valefan16]

That left sided one makes up for their lack of height then as he was fucking huge

Tbf I did notice Pepple positioned himself on your right sided CB more often than not

Yeah Hall is a big lad, missed him last week, right side is Kyle John who is technically a right wing back but use him there as a ball playing centre half. He’s a young lad picked up for free from Everton and been a better signing than some of our big money signings ironically. Need to tie him up.

We’d have been bigger at the back had we played Heneghan who’s massive or/and Debrah but usually use Heneghan for the more direct big physical sides like your Accrington/Gillingham type games and Debrah hasn’t been seen since his stinker at Grimsby. (Along with a couple of others!)

 

[valefan16]

I just don't think he helps himself. He's often already going down before any contact on him. He's a talented player, no doubt about it, and without him yesterday we'd have won.

But he's everything that's wrong with the modern game...more interested in acting than actually playing and trying to score/assist. Can you imagine someone like Gascoigne doing similar? He was constantly targeted but just rode challenges because he wanted to influence the game.

For me, he'd be a hell of a player if he stayed on his feet.

Sounds like a certain player of ours in Ethan Chislett to be fair.

 

[leedsvaliant]

Interestingly, Moore picked up on this challenge by Naylor in his post match interview. Basically asking where the consistency is. Both feet off the ground into Harpers ankle- it's a worse challenge than Clarkes if anything.

 

[valefan16]

Interestingly, Moore picked up on this challenge by Naylor in his post match interview. Basically asking where the consistency is. Both feet off the ground into Harpers ankle- it's a worse challenge than Clarkes if anything.

It’s over the top of the ball and both feet off the floor so can see Moore’s argument from the still although like Clark’s have to see the clip to see if it’s as bad as it looks in real time.

 

[spireite]

I just don't think he helps himself. He's often already going down before any contact on him. He's a talented player, no doubt about it, and without him yesterday we'd have won.

But he's everything that's wrong with the modern game...more interested in acting than actually playing and trying to score/assist. Can you imagine someone like Gascoigne doing similar? He was constantly targeted but just rode challenges because he wanted to influence the game.

For me, he'd be a hell of a player if he stayed on his feet.

Yea you're not the first to be annoyed by Armando Dobra and I don't think you'll be the last.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I just don't think he helps himself. He's often already going down before any contact on him. He's a talented player, no doubt about it, and without him yesterday we'd have won.

But he's everything that's wrong with the modern game...more interested in acting than actually playing and trying to score/assist. Can you imagine someone like Gascoigne doing similar? He was constantly targeted but just rode challenges because he wanted to influence the game.

For me, he'd be a hell of a player if he stayed on his feet.

Although far from unexpected, that's disappointing to read as I thought I'd read that he had improved on that score. It was comically bad and embarrassing during a couple of games with us in NL.

 

[Tallow]

Fleetwood 1-2 Carlisle
A spirited, fighting, committed and convincing performance from us.
Played with a fair bit of creativity, our new signings seem to be gelling nicely.
We deserved the win against an in form opposition.

 

[OneDecentLester]

I just don't think he helps himself. He's often already going down before any contact on him. He's a talented player, no doubt about it, and without him yesterday we'd have won.

But he's everything that's wrong with the modern game...more interested in acting than actually playing and trying to score/assist. Can you imagine someone like Gascoigne doing similar? He was constantly targeted but just rode challenges because he wanted to influence the game.

For me, he'd be a hell of a player if he stayed on his feet.

Fucking hell, got right under your skin hasn’t he. More interested in acting than actually trying to score apparently…. Yet scored yesterday

 

[OneDecentLester]

Interestingly, Moore picked up on this challenge by Naylor in his post match interview. Basically asking where the consistency is. Both feet off the ground into Harpers ankle- it's a worse challenge than Clarkes if anything.

That’s hilarious. That’s a proper 50/50 pal and like I said, only ever one winner with Naylor. Your lad got sent cos he went in with a shit house over the top stamp nowhere near the ball right in front of the referee. Stop complaining

 

[leedsvaliant]

Fucking hell, got right under your skin hasn’t he. More interested in acting than actually trying to score apparently…. Yet scored yesterday

That goal came from our mistake, the only thing he had to do was put it in. There were other moments in the game where he could have punished us, and you know, won the game for his team rather than trying for an Oscar.

It does annoy me because he's clearly got ability.

 

[leedsvaliant]

That’s hilarious. That’s a proper 50/50 pal and like I said, only ever one winner with Naylor. Your lad got sent cos he went in with a shit house over the top stamp nowhere near the ball right in front of the referee. Stop complaining

A 50/50 where your lad comes over the top with both feet off the ground? That one? It doesn't matter if it's 50/50. 60/40 or 85/15, it was reckless and whilst I agree that Clarkes tackle was stupid, I don't think he intended it.

 

[valefan16]

A 50/50 where your lad comes over the top with both feet off the ground? That one? It doesn't matter if it's 50/50. 60/40 or 85/15, it was reckless and whilst I agree that Clarkes tackle was stupid, I don't think he intended it.

Yeah both feet off the ground over the ball it’s as reckless as Clark’s, doesn’t matter if the ball is there to be won if you miss it and stud the opponents ankle as with Clark it’s red. Can see why DM wasn’t happy with it.

 

[OneDecentLester]

That goal came from our mistake, the only thing he had to do was put it in. There were other moments in the game where he could have punished us, and you know, won the game for his team rather than trying for an Oscar.

It does annoy me because he's clearly got ability.

Your mistake… initiated by who?
Ah yes, Dobra who pressed your man into the mistake by not giving up on a nothing ball that had missed its intended target, so it wasn’t just a case of putting it in as he had to make it happen in the first place. Another quality of his btw, work rate, never gives defenders a second and that’s exactly how our equaliser came about.

 

[OneDecentLester]

Yeah both feet off the ground over the ball it’s as reckless as Clark’s, doesn’t matter if the ball is there to be won if you miss it and stud the opponents ankle as with Clark it’s red. Can see why DM wasn’t happy with it.

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but looking at that still that LeedsValiant has posted, your man’s foot is just as high no?

Ffs lads it’s a 50/50 get over it

 

[Soz]

These were mental in the first game to be fair, sent out a load of 5'5 players and complain when our below average height for CBs, CBs tower over them.

 

[mozzavale]

That’s hilarious. That’s a proper 50/50 pal and like I said, only ever one winner with Naylor. Your lad got sent cos he went in with a shit house over the top stamp nowhere near the ball right in front of the referee. Stop complaining

Anyone can post a still photo to make a point. This was a millisecond before Clarke's foot rolled over the ball and into your lad. It's clumsy, slightly mistimed and he's been red carded. It's reckless, so a red is justified. But it's not a shit house stamp at all. That's just nonsense. A millisecond earlier he gets the ball and your lad goes into Clarke's leg with his studs. It was an honest attempt that he got wrong. It happens.

 

[Valeite]

That’s hilarious. That’s a proper 50/50 pal and like I said, only ever one winner with Naylor. Your lad got sent cos he went in with a shit house over the top stamp nowhere near the ball right in front of the referee. Stop complaining

It`s not a stamp. poor tackle yes, nowhere near the ball? He gets the ball and then it rolls into his ankle but not with venom. Red is a bit harsh but understandable but play on for Naylors tackle is ridiculous.

 

[codaplenty]

Fleetwood 1-2 Carlisle
A spirited, fighting, committed and convincing performance from us.
Played with a fair bit of creativity, our new signings seem to be gelling nicely.
We deserved the win against an in form opposition.

I think your going to be ok !

 

[leedsvaliant]

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but looking at that still that LeedsValiant has posted, your man’s foot is just as high no?

Ffs lads it’s a 50/50 get over it

I'm not going to let you get away with calling it a 50/50 no matter how much you protest. Your man's foot is clearly over the top of ours and both feet off the floor. Harper had a scrape down his ankle, so he was clearly caught.

Can't change anything now but I'd just like consistency of decisions.

 

[leedsvaliant]

Your mistake… initiated by who?
Ah yes, Dobra who pressed your man into the mistake by not giving up on a nothing ball that had missed its intended target, so it wasn’t just a case of putting it in as he had to make it happen in the first place. Another quality of his btw, work rate, never gives defenders a second and that’s exactly how our equaliser came about.

Good player, ruined by his antics. If you were to look at it as a neutral you'd say the same thing.

 

[Scum.]

Our match was so awful to watch yesterday, I think I’d have rather seen more of stuff like this for 90 minutes:

View this content on Instagram

View this content on Instagram

 

[spireite]

Good player, ruined by his antics. If you were to look at it as a neutral you'd say the same thing.

I think opposition fans just take a set against players for perceived shit house antics. We all do it, it's just the life of a football fan. Some of the time wasting from your players after your goal was arguably worse than anything Dobra did or didn't do. It's all just shit house tactics, every team does it to some extent. The ref just let you do it for the most part too. I think he gave 1 booking for one of the half dozen times you booted the ball away after the whistle. Players feigning injury then miraculously OK before the physio came on. Keeper taking GKs from the wrong side before 'remembering'. He could have added 5 minutes at the end of the first half for all your antics, and instead added on 1 whole minute.

I didn't see much diving from Dobs to be fair, no more than any other football player. Players are entitled to go down when they are fouled. But then I probably wasn't looking for it and Dobra seems to have a knack of winding fans up.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Dobra likes scoring against us including at Wembley but doesn't end up on the winning side.

His feigning flopping antics were called out by the National League commentary team whenever we play. Tbh he put them in an awkward position due to his embarrassing antics. That's the problem when the TV cameras are there and slow motion replays are happily used.