York and Daggers Relegation Thread

[Wombling Kiwi]

I'm just peeking in the door to see whos here.

Signings are going to be the key to Wimbledon, Ardley has already said he going to sign someone. Maybe this will be the end of Bayo.

Just closed the door, nothing for us to see here.

 

[TheMinsterman]

We're making this position our own, which one of you bold gents are brave enough to come take it?

 

[E10rifle]

We're making this position our own, which one of you bold gents are brave enough to come take it?

And there was me getting dogs abuse for labelling you 'cannon fodder' at the start of the season...

 

[Urban]

And there was me getting dogs abuse for labelling you 'cannon fodder' at the start of the season...

Seems that you've joined them under that label now though

 

[E10rifle]

Seems that you've joined them under that label now though

Hey hey hey, tiddlywink. I support them so I'm allowed to point out how fucking shit they are, but it's a bit difficult for you to label a side that's only lost one of the past ten league games as 'cannon fodder'.

 

[Urban]

Hey hey hey, tiddlywink. I support them so I'm allowed to point out how fucking shit they are, but it's a bit difficult for you to label a side that's only lost one of the past ten league games as 'cannon fodder'.

I know, I'm just trying to make myself feel better. I'd love to be classed as cannon fodder - we're barely 'slightly annoyed old lady with a walking stick' fodder at the moment.

Hendon will only drag you further down though - get rid and we can have a manager sacking party for when Allen goes too

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

The problem with Barnet imo is the complete lack of anything creative centrally. Probably the most anti footballing side in the league, Akinde/ Gash as battering rams, supported by the odd Batt cameo and super Muggleton... Get in a bit of creativity in the middle, I think they'd be solid mid table at least.

Of the five obvious relegation candidates Newport are the only team I've seen less than twice and that was before their decentish form. York have been fucking woeful recently and given their results look most likely to be cut adrift, but I still think they've got enough to get out of it. I think they'll survive*.

*Given my endorsement of Boreham Wood in the division below, I fully expect York to now pick up no points for the rest of the season.

 

[TheMinsterman]

In all fairness, the chairman is planning to invest money in January, that's the only reason I'm not declaring us doomed already.

We were never "relegation fodder" when the season started in terms of personnel, what has changed that is an abysmally broken dressing room which has been fractured beyond repair, egos getting out of control and an utterly inept manager who should have gone months before he did before the damage was so severe that it is going to take a hell of a hatchet job to sort out. There's plenty of things rotten in our club at the moment that need to be removed, if they can be the better players may start to re-find their confidence.

 

[E10rifle]

Hendon will only drag you further down though - get rid and we can have a manager sacking party for when Allen goes too

Hell yes, I'm in. I'll bring the cheesy footballs, garlic dip and frazzles, you bring the whiskey, cocaine and hookers.

 

[Urban]

In all fairness, the chairman is planning to invest money in January, that's the only reason I'm not declaring us doomed already.

We were never "relegation fodder" when the season started in terms of personnel, what has changed that is an abysmally broken dressing room which has been fractured beyond repair, egos getting out of control and an utterly inept manager who should have gone months before he did before the damage was so severe that it is going to take a hell of a hatchet job to sort out. There's plenty of things rotten in our club at the moment that need to be removed, if they can be the better players may start to re-find their confidence.

Do you reckon a return from injury for Hyde will help change your fortunes a little?

The problem with Barnet imo is the complete lack of anything creative centrally. Probably the most anti footballing side in the league, Akinde/ Gash as battering rams, supported by the odd Batt cameo and super Muggleton... Get in a bit of creativity in the middle, I think they'd be solid mid table at least.

Of the five obvious relegation candidates Newport are the only team I've seen less than twice and that was before their decentish form. York have been fucking woeful recently and given their results look most likely to be cut adrift, but I still think they've got enough to get out of it. I think they'll survive*.

*Given my endorsement of Boreham Wood in the division below, I fully expect York to now pick up no points for the rest of the season.

Spoken better than the majority of Barnet fans. I think the lack of creativity isn't helped by Allens desire to give up the ghost and go super defensive as soon as we have a lead though - it leaves us so ridiculously impotent.

Personally I think we won't be out of contention from his thread for a while yet - a tricky January will only add to the issues.

 

[TheMinsterman]

RE: Hyde, not convinced really, not because he's bad but because scoring isn't entirely the issue, our problem is we have a terrible backline with what equates to ghosts for fullbacks.

 

[Leewilson]

Hard battle to call this year. Really, us, Yeovil and York should be cut adrift but the likes of Hartlepool, Barnet, Stevenage and Newport have points tallies that would normally see them in deep trouble as well.

My gut reaction keeps changing but not that we have Still back and have won back to back games under him (1 officially and 1 non-officially when he was taking training anyway) I'm leaning towards us having enough grit to escape. Despite all of our flaws, I think we have enough ability to escape. The key for us is we need to get over our home hoodoo. When we get the first win on the board, I think we'll be ok after that.

I've been saying for a while that I don't fancy Barnet. We put in our worst performance of the season at theirs and made them look much better than they actually are. York for me look doomed. Sometimes a team/club just gets to a point where it's difficult to see how they reverse the form. I'm not sure McNamara is the man to do that. Yeovil will scrape survival I think. Newport I reckon will be ok as well. I see Stevenage slipping into trouble as well.

Hard to call 2 at the moment though. Bar York, I'm unsure who the 2nd team will be.

 

[mowgli]

RE: Hyde, not convinced really, not because he's bad but because scoring isn't entirely the issue, our problem is we have a terrible backline with what equates to ghosts for fullbacks.

How is Dave Winfield doing for you? When on form he was immense for us but his form tailed off but that's because something wasn't right with him with rumours of off field problems that affected his form.

 

[Dan_Macclad]

I hope Barnet are dragged into it, I want to see how many times they piss the conference only to keep falling back before lobbying for a division of their own.

 

[TheMinsterman]

How is Dave Winfield doing for you? When on form he was immense for us but his form tailed off but that's because something wasn't right with him with rumours of off field problems that affected his form.

Reasonably solid, the issue is the defenders have absolutely nothing on the wings protecting them from pace and balls into the box, our keeper has been great too but so many opportunities break in down our flanks, if we do not address that we will go down, but with a decent R and LB I honestly think we'll be fine.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Hell yes, I'm in. I'll bring the cheesy footballs, garlic dip and frazzles, you bring the whiskey, cocaine and hookers.

I'm in!
Sounds like a lot more fun than our away performances this season.
We've got some tough home matches coming up this month. If we can maintain the gap we presently have in a months time I reckon we'll be alright.
If not...
And yes, we're ridiculously one-paced and one-dimensional in the way we play. It was obvious that that was going to be the case before the start of the season once Luisma decided to go back to Spain.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Reasonably solid, the issue is the defenders have absolutely nothing on the wings protecting them from pace and balls into the box, our keeper has been great too but so many opportunities break in down our flanks, if we do not address that we will go down, but with a decent R and LB I honestly think we'll be fine.

Has Ilesanmi been that bad? Always quite liked him as a standard League Two left back.

 

[E10rifle]

I think the lack of creativity isn't helped by Allens desire to give up the ghost and go super defensive as soon as we have a lead though - it leaves us so ridiculously impotent.

Hendon Tictacs 101.

Lost count of how many times we've done that this season, the problem being that we can't defend. At all. Especially when we have our reserve centre backs out there like yesterday. The man is utterly clueless.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Has Ilesanmi been that bad? Always quite liked him as a standard League Two left back.

Ilesanmi is absolutely abysmal, one of the most woeful players I've ever seen. If he isn't replaced this January we are 100% relegated.

 

[wilsontown]

As you can see above, Ilesanmi is taking a lot of abuse from our fans at the moment. He's built like a brick shithouse and is probably the fittest player at the club, and he has some decent games...the problem is that he also has games when he looks like he can't actually kick a football properly. He was absolutely useless against Mansfield, but he still starts every week because there isn't anyone else. Jackie Mac seems to like him though, so maybe he'll be sticking around. I should also point out that saying he's "one of the most woeful players I've ever seen" is surely hyperbole - he's not even the worst left back we've had since we came back to the league.

We're not down yet of course, but we need some good signings and for Penn, Summerfield and Berrett to hit form, and we need both of these things to happen quickly.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Ilesanmi is terrible, he really is. Not the worst? Our left backs since we returned to the football league (i.e. ones who actually have decent game time) have been Meredith and Davies, he's not better than either of them. He's one of the biggest problems at the club, our full backs are just awful and constantly contribute to our defeats. Maybe there's reasons for it, but he's not shown anything at City.

 

[JSMITH083]

Ilesanmi is terrible, he really is. Not the worst? Our left backs since we returned to the football league (i.e. ones who actually have decent game time) have been Meredith and Davies, he's not better than either of them. He's one of the biggest problems at the club, our full backs are just awful and constantly contribute to our defeats. Maybe there's reasons for it, but he's not shown anything at City.

I'm not sure we ever had Meredith in the FL- he left after the play off final. We started our first year back with Danny Blanchett in there, then we had either Jamal Fyfield or Jack O'Connell playing there for the rest of the season, perhaps somebody else as well.

 

[TheMinsterman]

I'm not sure we ever had Meredith in the FL- he left after the play off final. We started our first year back with Danny Blanchett in there, then we had either Jamal Fyfield or Jack O'Connell playing there for the rest of the season, perhaps somebody else as well.

So we did. for some reason I thought we had him a little longer before Bradders nabbed him.

Either way, Ilesanmi is one of the worst players at the club, he needs binning off, same with McCoy and the rest of them. We've been very very poor down the flanks for way too long since the PO season now.

 

[JSMITH083]

So we did. for some reason I thought we had him a little longer before Bradders nabbed him.

Either way, Ilesanmi is one of the worst players at the club, he needs binning off, same with McCoy and the rest of them. We've been very very poor down the flanks for way too long since the PO season now.

Not sure we were much cop on the flanks that year really, Hayhurst and Carson were inconsistent in my opinion. The irony is that we have been appalling at scoring goals since we have come up until this season and it has been our defence that has been vaguely competent- barring the PO run when we were unbeatable. This year, we are scoring more goals than we have for a while, but shipping far more. Great shame, but I strongly believe that if we get two good full backs in that we will stay up.

 

[wilsontown]

The problem is that we've been trying to get decent full backs in since Worthington left and none of them have worked out. There must be some adequate ones hanging around somewhere, surely.

 

[TheMinsterman]

In the PO's our WB/FBs were Oyebanjo and Davies no? Davies was shaky early on but he got a lot better. Our entire problem imo stems to the fact that out that backline of 4 defenders plus a keeper we lost both full backs AND Pope in one go, that was essentially our biggest strength gone over night for free.

Centrally I don't think we're struggling too much but they get no support from the FBs, Flinders, Winny plsu another is ok IF we can get some semi competent FBs in.

 

[JSMITH083]

In the PO's our WB/FBs were Oyebanjo and Davies no? Davies was shaky early on but he got a lot better. Our entire problem imo stems to the fact that out that backline of 4 defenders plus a keeper we lost both full backs AND Pope in one go, that was essentially our biggest strength gone over night for free.

Centrally I don't think we're struggling too much but they get no support from the FBs, Flinders, Winny plsu another is ok IF we can get some semi competent FBs in.

Is correct, I even think Mooney would have done ok if we had two decent full backs in- he's not exactly rubbish at Accrington

 

[TheMinsterman]

Also.... for the love of God can we not lose in the 90+ minutes again for a long time? For a year and a half the amount of times we have done that must be higher than any other club.

 

[JSMITH083]

Also.... for the love of God can we not lose in the 90+ minutes again for a long time? For a year and a half the amount of times we have done that must be higher than any other club.

You know it will be a stoppage time goal that will send us down.

 

[Leewilson]

Ilesanmi is terrible, he really is. Not the worst? Our left backs since we returned to the football league (i.e. ones who actually have decent game time) have been Meredith and Davies, he's not better than either of them. He's one of the biggest problems at the club, our full backs are just awful and constantly contribute to our defeats. Maybe there's reasons for it, but he's not shown anything at City.

We got rid of Femi at the right time. He flourished initially under Still with a no fear approach. Won a lot of his battles at the back post and would surge forward. Even then though, his technique was bloody awful but we loved him because he gave it everything. Under Burnett he looked lost. Burnett wanted us to pass the ball along the back a lot more and his passing just isn't up to scratch. He also lost confident going forward. Instead of surging he would jog the line and then go sideways. His defending also dropped off. Despite him being a cult hero, I was happy when we sold him. Sounds like his downward trend has continued at York.