American mass shooting thread

[silkyman]

You're a bigot. You have no right to get offended the way you go on.

And Silky you're a simpleton. Religion is a cancer and it's attitude to homosexuality is wrong. You can criticise religion all you want but don't dare try and intimidate a human beings right to belief & faith. And let's have it straight, you don't give two fucks about homophobia. You hate Islam. Just be honest about it, it's fine we're all adults. You'll continue to be a coward and not admit to what you are though so I'm wasting my time. Some people are just too conditioned unfortunately.

You can officially get to fuck for that comment to be honest. You don't know me or my views on homophobia. I don't hate Islam any more than I have a dislike for any organised religion. I believe in equality for everyone and not 'unpleasant views are untouchable when they are religious.'

 

[silkyman]

I'm pretty much certain that heavy drinking isn't the only thing you, sl1k, do, that the Qur'an teaches against. Why is that dilution of the Qur'an a-OK with you, but one that doesn't concern you in any expressible way not OK?.

Religious types have and will always cherry pick the bits that suit them out of their holy books.

Its one of my many issues with the whole malarkey.

 

[sl1k]

Ive said over and over again that I'm not living an Islamically acceptable lifestyle atm, yet that condescending tone continues.

How about go fuck yourselves, you absolute c***.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

could the boring internet atheist, the drug-addled internet 'hard-man' and the homophobic muslim calm down before they get this thread closed again

thank u

ian

not a mod

 

[sl1k]

Fuck off doc

Everyone has the right to their views as does everyone have the right to challenge them. Ive been honest, patient and have clearly stated my position, often repeating the same thing over and over again but I still get the feeling that people just want to attack me. Like silky's post is beyond fucking dumb given what I already had explained. That's just talking shit for the sake of talking shit.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

charming. i've reported that post, please try and act civilly in future. there's no place for ad hominem attacks in the politics board

 

[SUTSS]

You say everyone has the right to challenge beliefs and ideas but then you throw a hissy fit when people call you out on yours.

 

[sl1k]

What have I been called out on and what is my hissyfit over? I'm perfectly fine with people interpreting my posts to translate to me being a homophobe. don't even care about that.

So where and what are my hissyfit over.

 

[sl1k]

charming. i've reported that post, please try and act civilly in future. there's no place for ad hominem attacks in the politics board

Charming? Calling me a drug addled internet hard man yeah. Nicccce.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Charming? Calling me a drug addled internet hard man yeah. Nicccce.

if i called u a drug addled internet hard-man (and not, say, abertawe) then who do u think 'homophobic muslim' applies to

 

[Aber gas]

Sl1k has stated his position and has had his beliefs challenged. Some people just can't leave it alone. It's weird, either he is now being deliberately provoked to get a reaction or he must be the only Muslim some folk have ever conversed with.

 

[sl1k]

if i called u a drug addled internet hard-man (and not, say, abertawe) then who do u think 'homophobic muslim' applies to

I swear u edited that in after

Apologies

 

[Renegade]

Sorry to drag it out, but I think it's a valid line of questioning. If you aren't living an Islamically acceptable lifestyle at the moment, why do you choose to ignore some the benign aspects of your faith, such as the ingestion of intoxicants, but adhere (in some way at least) to damaging aspects, such as (however slight or severe it may be) homophobia?

You are for freedom, virtue and the rights of others on every other subject I've seen you debate, but in this one instance you seem to be held back by your religion. It seems a bit... arbitrary. I can understand that culturally it's probably much harder for you and your fellow Muslims to accept homosexuality than the other things you ignore about your faith, but you're educated and have the right ideas about everything else but this. It makes no sense.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

is that gif like a metaphor or something

 

[NorfolkWomble]

Sl1k has stated his position and has had his beliefs challenged. Some people just can't leave it alone. It's weird, either he is now being deliberately provoked to get a reaction or he must be the only Muslim some folk have ever conversed with.

I wonder who else expressed a view which some people just couldn't leave alone.....

 

[Aber gas]

I wonder who else expressed a view which some people just couldn't leave alone.....

Do you really want to do this again ?

 

[NorfolkWomble]

Do you really want to do this again ?

Not really, I just find it rather hypocritical that S1lk's homophobia is protected by people like you. Surely you too should be calling it out? Unchallenged homophobia can lead to hate crime can't it?

 

[Aber gas]

Not really, I just find it rather hypocritical that S1lk's homophobia is protected by people like you. Surely you too should be calling it out? Unchallenged homophobia can lead to hate crime can't it?

I'm not protecting anything, I don't agree with Sl1k and he probably knows that but I find the constant Q+A and badgering a bit pointless. I probably would have a bit more respect for your and some others position if homophobia was challenged elsewhere on the forum but it isn't tbh. This debate seems to have become about provoking a member into anger.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

saying you'd accept your gay son but u wouldn't invite his lover into your home is pretty light homophobia though, no? if he did invite him in would u leer over him? frowns too much slap a HATE CRIME sticker on his head

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

I'm not protecting anything, I don't agree with Sl1k and he probably knows that but I find the constant Q+A and badgering a bit pointless. I probably would have a bit more respect for your and some others position if homophobia was challenged elsewhere on the forum but it isn't tbh. This debate seems to have become about provoking a member into anger.

i've never seen homophobia go unchallenged on here fwiw

 

[Aber gas]

i've never seen homophobia go unchallenged on here fwiw

You don't spend a lot of time trawling the lower league football forums I'd guess.

 

[NorfolkWomble]

I'm not protecting anything, I don't agree with Sl1k and he probably knows that but I find the constant Q+A and badgering a bit pointless. I probably would have a bit more respect for your and some others position if homophobia was challenged elsewhere on the forum but it isn't tbh. This debate seems to have become about provoking a member into anger.

You don't spend a lot of time trawling the lower league football forums I'd guess.

I've never seen homophobia go unchallenged. Never really seen it tbh on this forum.

 

[sl1k]

1. Ok look guys. My ultimate belief is, that jugement from God is not a black and white thing, neither is heaven and hell gonna be like how it's described in the texts (they'd be written in a away to make sense to the people of the time)
2. I can never say I'm a better Muslim than someone who practises but prefers cock action, when it comes down to it, he will be the way better person with better deeds.
3. I don't pass judgement on them things and neither do I consider myself a better person than anyone. Life is a journey of the soul, imo, to prepare for what comes next.

(Copied and pasted from the box hence the weird formatting)

Blade brang to my attention that I may not have articulated it very well, but my belief is do what you're doing if it makes you happy. It's for god to decide who is rewarded and punished.

I'm just putting it here for those who weren't present in the box.

Edit- I was just adding as mordon posted. About the son's partner at the dinner table, he's my son and I've the right to want him to be like me. If he doesn't, that's his choice but I don't HAVE to be happy about it or have his partner around extended family functions where the elders are ultra conservative and i'll risk my own family relations. It is what it is. If you don't like that part of me, fair enough. If i'm a homophobe because of it, cool. Your labels, not mine.

 

[NorfolkWomble]

OK, fair enough for saying what you think and opening yourself up for criticism but I still don't understand the "not passing judgement" thing. Surely by not treating your gay sons' partner exactly the same that is passing judgement? If you don't want to answer don't, I just am interested.

 

[Abertawe]

This is fucking pointless. Just refrain from hitting "Post Reply"

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

i wouldn't allow my daughter to bring a tory back to the house tbf

 

[TomPNE94]

Right, enough now people.

We're just going round and round in circles and it became tedious a while ago. Everyone knows each other's opinion on the matter so how about we leave it alone now.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

don't worry tom i've calmed everything down now

ian

not a mod

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Sl1k has stated his position and has had his beliefs challenged. Some people just can't leave it alone. It's weird, either he is now being deliberately provoked to get a reaction or he must be the only Muslim some folk have ever conversed with.

I'm sorry Aber, I like you, but I think this is quite deplorable. I watched (for some unknown reason) while you and this um, chap, tore a young member to shreds in the box for his supposed views, and yet you're unable to condemn a clear case of homophobia when you see it. Shame on you.

Also, really fucking weird that Mods feel the need to get involved in this thread. I've never seen you before in this section and yet when members are proactively responding to bigotry you feel the need to wade in. What gives?

 

[Aber gas]

I'm sorry Aber, I like you, but I think this is quite deplorable. I watched (for some unknown reason) while you and this um, chap, tore a young member to shreds in the box for his supposed views, and yet you're unable to condemn a clear case of homophobia when you see it. Shame on you.

Also, really fucking weird that Mods feel the need to get involved in this thread. I've never seen you before in this section and yet when members are proactively responding to bigotry you feel the need to wade in. What gives?

If you watched then you would have seen that it certainly wasn't one way traffic.
I certainly don't agree with Sl1ks views on this subject but I also don't feel the need to join the throng. It's been covered and his views have been challenged. What more is there to be achieved by the same question being asked of the same person?
I like and respect you too and fwiw it wasn't you I was thinking about when I posted that. It's become clear to me though that some posters are using this to push their own agendas. I'd love to be wrong and see several pages of condemnation and challenge next time homophobic views or language are used elsewhere on the forum.