Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

[shoddycollins]

If you can't vaccinate the common cold, what hope do you have of vaccinating a stronger but very much related virus in COVID 19?

We need to prepare for the scenario that their may be no vaccine. But rampant PL opportunism for B teams mustn't win.

Incidentally in that article, it referred to Gordon Taylor's basic salary of over £2 million (for what exactly?) and the PFA having cash reserves of £50 million in the bank according to Ben Purkiss. It's time the PFA woke up and realised that players will not be immune to this upcoming reset.

If I understand it correctly the reason we can't vaccinate against the common cold isn't because of the strength of the virus but because it mutates extremely quickly meaning any vaccine will be out of date within a month or two, just like flu mutates relatively quickly but still lower so that vaccines will last about a year. I think scientists are still trying to understand how fast covid-19 mutates.

 

[Indian Dan]

Be honest here, guys. What criteria needs to be met before you feel confident to attend a match again?

 

[shoddycollins]

Be honest here, guys. What criteria needs to be met before you feel confident to attend a match again?

I don't have my own criteria, I just go off what the experts are saying. I doubt that I'll lack confidence to attend matches once they are done unless there is some serious disagreement over whether it's safe.

 

[ShrimpsMeltdown]

No one watches us so social distancing at The Globe will be fine when it restarts. Everyone in our area is either in the pub or at home watching the Burnley vs Bournemouth score come in.

 

[Luke Imp]

MacAnthony has decided he doesn't want to sue other clubs afterall...

I will side with him on certain points in this article about trying to push for change. He has made valid points over the months.

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk...ion-football-well-peterborough-united-2862922

 

[Kenneth E End]

... as I mentioned on here a few months ago, Peterborough are the Ryanair of football clubs. They threaten to sue for everything and then their bluff gets called.

 

[Indian Dan]

This

 

[Greenacres]

Be honest here, guys. What criteria needs to be met before you feel confident to attend a match again?

It will be when I consider that there is little risk to me of contracting the virus, or of passing it on to others who may be at risk if they catch it. This may be when I am able to have a vaccine or there is a test to prove that I have already had the virus (as a lot of people have and don't know) and have both immunity and I am not a spreader.

I have a season ticket and the people sat either side of me are almost certainly over 70, and in one case probably older than 80, I don't want to present a risk to either of them if we are attending a game at the same time. I can't put a time on when that might happen, but am resigned to the fact that it might not be until the 21/22 season, I will be amazed if next season starts with supporters in attendance.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I honestly believe we'll see football fans in stadia sooner than people think. And I'm not 100% certain nor am I dismissing the possibility it could be longer, because it easily could! However, I just think the authorities are preparing for a worst case scenario when they say January or August 2021. There's every chance the virus could be in a sharp decline by then. Obviously there could be a second wave too, but it's not exactly ridiculous to suggest that by late September or early October, fans in grounds could be a possibility.

Again, I think it'd be worth seeing how Germany moves on once the Bundesliga is complete. Because I think they'll be doing all they can to get fans into grounds for the start of the new season. Whilst August may come too soon, I predict they'll have fans in grounds before their winter break. But we'll soon see what occurs.

With regard to Britain, leisure and hospitality will more than likely start to be opened up again from the start of July and that'll initially be on a limited basis you could imagine. But if a month was to pass with no sharp rise in cases, you could well start to see measures for organised sport to resume with spectators as early as August, although I personally think it'll be later. Again, you could imagine there'd be limits on spectators potentially at first, but if another month passed and things were still improving at a significant rate, you could well see normality being resumed in the Autumn.

It's an optimistic glance, and I'm sure high-risk fans would have concerns and rightly so, but I genuinely believe we'll be back sooner than most think.

 

[valefan16]

Virus appears to be weakening across the board, countries out of lockdown longer than us are showing no issues and Denmark for instance doesn’t even have social distancing in schools and is still showing declines.

If we get a second peak it will be November time during flu season i suspect but we may not even get that, didnt Sars for example pretty much die out in a few months?

Went to the beach today, fair few there but all socially respectable distance wise (was Hunstanton so not a major resort) but these photos are usually at a low angle making it look worse than it is too! Have no issues and will happily go on holiday in July if quarantine gets sorted, we’ve become educated enough that the majority will be sensible and precautions are taken, the ones who don’t will be a minority but I believe we are looking like we will be out of this quicker than most think.

Hopefully early next season fans will be back. How that risk will be managed though will remain to be seen and the delay may be from fear. Ideally this Oxford vaccine works, half of us are vaccinated by September and back in grounds anyway... but the fact there is a fear that won’t happen because the virus is disappearing so quickly they have little to test on is positive in one aspect!

 

[chipmunx]

Virus appears to be weakening across the board, countries out of lockdown longer than us are showing no issues and Denmark for instance doesn’t even have social distancing in schools and is still showing declines.

If we get a second peak it will be November time during flu season i suspect but we may not even get that, didnt Sars for example pretty much die out in a few months?

Went to the beach today, fair few there but all socially respectable distance wise (was Hunstanton so not a major resort) but these photos are usually at a low angle making it look worse than it is too! Have no issues and will happily go on holiday in July if quarantine gets sorted, we’ve become educated enough that the majority will be sensible and precautions are taken, the ones who don’t will be a minority but I believe we are looking like we will be out of this quicker than most think.

Hopefully early next season fans will be back. How that risk will be managed though will remain to be seen and the delay may be from fear. Ideally this Oxford vaccine works, half of us are vaccinated by September and back in grounds anyway... but the fact there is a fear that won’t happen because the virus is disappearing so quickly they have little to test on is positive in one aspect!

I think you have overestimated the amount of common sense in the general population - particularly on holiday and full of alcohol.
I've done a few medical trials before and i'd be very sceptical about the safety and efficiency of any vaccine that comes out as early as September. It usually takes a good 2-3 years to develop and safely test a vaccine to find out 1) It works 2) what are the safe and still effective dose levels 3) there are NO significant side effects to health - as with thalidomide in the 1960's and 70's. etc etc etc

 

[Boletus Edulis]

My criteria - that when I go to a match on a Saturday I won’t be an undue risk to my parents when I go round on a Sunday. Could be some time I think.

 

[Kenneth E End]

But if community transmission is very small or zero, what is the issue about opening the doors? We cannot wait forever for a vaccine that may never come.

We take risks every day of our life, but we mitigate these risks as best as we can and balance the probabilities. If we didn't take any risks, no one would gain anything from life.

Clearly we're not at this stage yet, but epidemiologists are now struggling to find people to trial in the next stage of the vaccine process because of such small transition.

I wouldn't be surprised to be starting a season in front of at least some fans by 1st September.

 

[Laker]

But if community transmission is very small or zero, what is the issue about opening the doors? We cannot wait forever for a vaccine that may never come.

We take risks every day of our life, but we mitigate these risks as best as we can and balance the probabilities. If we didn't take any risks, no one would gain anything from life.

Clearly we're not at this stage yet, but epidemiologists are now struggling to find people to trial in the next stage of the vaccine process because of such small transition.

I wouldn't be surprised to be starting a season in front of at least some fans by 1st September.

Where did you hear community transmission was zero?

 

[Kenneth E End]

Where did you hear community transmission was zero?

Where did I say that?
I'm saying if it were the case or in future.

 

[Laker]

Where did I say that?
I'm saying if it were the case or in future.

Well it rather voids the rest of your post if it isn’t the case!

 

[Trapdoor]

No new cases in London and South East suggesting that way more people than previously thought have already had it back in January/February.

 

[Indian Dan]

I think it’s now virtually only the very old and those with underlying health issues who need really worry.

I’m in the ‘problem’ group, being 65 and with high blood pressure - but, ffs, you’ve got to die from something!

People have been packed back on the tube for over a week now and there’s been no upturn. It’s time to stop being scared and get on with your life.

 

[Railway Blue]

If you can't vaccinate the common cold, what hope do you have of vaccinating a stronger but very much related virus in COVID 19?

We need to prepare for the scenario that their may be no vaccine. But rampant PL opportunism for B teams mustn't win.

Incidentally in that article, it referred to Gordon Taylor's basic salary of over £2 million (for what exactly?) and the PFA having cash reserves of £50 million in the bank according to Ben Purkiss. It's time the PFA woke up and realised that players will not be immune to this upcoming reset.

Just the sound of the name Gordon Taylor makes me very angry.

 

[valefan16]

I would not have guessed that!



Not at 65. And with a grandkid! 65 is nothing.



A week is fuck all. 14 days incubation period. Then 7-10 days of respiratory viral illness before, if it happens, it turns for the worst and your breathing requires intervention.

July will see a huge second wave. After seeing the morons on the beaches this weekend, it’ll be huge.

Dont think we will myself, a) outdoors its unlikely to spread easily and despite how the pictures look I was at a beach yesterday and pretty much everyone was 2 metre plus apart (all be it not a major resort).

If it comes back with vengeance it will be in the Winter, plus bear in mind most at the beach will be young or healthy, many are still self isolating if fearful of the virus. No sign of even a blip in countries which eased a few weeks before.

 

[Chris FGR]

The UK has far higher community infection then places like Denmark and Korea. That makes a second wave more likely here, especially as we also have a lot more taking the piss out of social distancing , and quite a few that seem to think that because some political advisor does something wrong you don't have to use your own brain and take responsibility for your own actions.

If people get complacent now then we are going to be completely fucked, this isn't over yet. Don't live in fear, we need to get things going again but don't take liberties either, we're winning the battle but we ain't won the war.

 

[valefan16]

The UK has far higher community infection then places like Denmark and Korea. That makes a second wave more likely here, especially as we also have a lot more taking the piss out of social distancing , and quite a few that seem to think that because some political advisor does something wrong you don't have to use your own brain and take responsibility for your own actions.

If people get complacent now then we are going to be completely fucked, this isn't over yet. Don't live in fear, we need to get things going again but don't take liberties either, we're winning the battle but we ain't won the war.

Denmark for example has no social distancing in schools at all and its still declining. No guarantees of course but as long as the vast majority use common sense then hopefully we can move past it.

 

[Chief Rocka]

Denmark for example has no social distancing in schools at all and its still declining. No guarantees of course but as long as the vast majority use common sense then hopefully we can move past it.

Comparing Denmark to us is pointless, one nation has handled this crisis with a sensible degree of caution and can now, seemingly, reap the rewards, the other is like a three month episode of the Keystone Cops.

 

[Chris FGR]

Denmark for example has no social distancing in schools at all and its still declining. No guarantees of course but as long as the vast majority use common sense then hopefully we can move past it.

That isn't right, they operate in micro bubbles in schools, which is a form of social distancing.

On top of that they acted far quicker and contained the virus a lot better then us, which means lower community infection. Lower community infection means less chance of a rapid spread once public places start to reopen. Even in Korea they saw a small spike, and their handling of this has blown us out of the water. Their public are also way more disciplined.

Also agree that it's not that accurate to compare ourselves with places like Denmark. The US, Russia and Brazil are more similar to us in handling this.

 

[chipmunx]

That isn't right, they operate in micro bubbles in schools, which is a form of social distancing.

On top of that they acted far quicker and contained the virus a lot better then us, which means lower community infection. Lower community infection means less chance of a rapid spread once public places start to reopen. Even in Korea they saw a small spike, and their handling of this has blown us out of the water. Their public are also way more disciplined.

Also agree that it's not that accurate to compare ourselves with places like Denmark. The US, Russia and Brazil are more similar.

OMG please don't compare us to the American's - has the average person really sunk that low....

 

[Chris FGR]

All those countries started by ignoring the threat, reacted too slowly, fucked up testing, failed to provide enough PPE and either gave up on contact tracing at a vital moment or didn't bother with it at all and are now rushing to reopen before infection rates are properly contained. Sound familiar?

 

[valefan16]

Its all about common sense, some are idiots but for example U45's are having a lower than average death rate for instance due to lockdown and less car accidents etc. so its about risk managing different groups.

 

[The Terminator]

No new cases in London and South East suggesting that way more people than previously thought have already had it back in January/February.

I don't usually change the subject, but in January for about 4 days I felt like total, total crap with a fever after I came back from Cardiff for a day of ground hopping with 2 of my mates (yeah hopping mad!) - One of which came down with the same symptoms I did. We managed to fight it off quickly though.

My dad had an operation in early March just before all this kicked off and was in hospital at London Barts for 2 days, when came out he was ill with the worst cough I'd ever heard as well as a fever for about 2 weeks - the doctors said it was an unusual reaction to to procedure he had done. He managed to fight it off though.

If he did get it, he passed it to my mum who then passed it to my sister and her husband - they both had the same symptoms my dad did and were both out of action for a whole week. Again all this was around 7th March.

So your point could well be true.

 

[valefan16]

I don't usually change the subject, but in January for about 4 days I felt like total, total crap with a fever after I came back from Cardiff for a day of ground hopping with 2 of my mates (yeah hopping mad!) - One of which came down with the same symptoms I did. We managed to fight it off quickly though.

My dad had an operation in early March just before all this kicked off and was in hospital at London Barts for 2 days, when came out he was ill with the worst cough I'd ever heard as well as a fever for about 2 weeks - the doctors said it was an unusual reaction to to procedure he had done. He managed to fight it off though.

If he did get it, he passed it to my mum who then passed it to my sister and her husband - they both had the same symptoms my dad did and were both out of action for a whole week. Again all this was around 7th March.

So your point could well be true.

A lot of people were ill with symptoms around December/January with a cough that was persistent, although the initial tests for antibodies i think suggested 5% have had it of the general population haven't they?

Sure i read something that in the USA their flu rates were bad last winter and standard anti-biotics were not working how they'd expect so you never know.

 

[chipmunx]

A lot of people were ill with symptoms around December/January with a cough that was persistent, although the initial tests for antibodies i think suggested 5% have had it of the general population haven't they?

Sure i read something that in the USA their flu rates were bad last winter and standard anti-biotics were not working how they'd expect so you never know.

France had at least 1 confirmed covid death in December after samples were tested for it and Northern Italy had a lot of cases and deaths of an "unexplained Pneumonia like disease" as far back as November.. so it's been around longer than we think.