Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

[chipmunx]

So using the EFL's method, if the season had ended before Bolton had got past zero points, they would end up with a negative PPG? If you extrapolate it over the whole season, they would end up with less points than they already had, effectively giving them another deduction.

that's the NL rules and yes if they'd been in the NL then you're right... but if they hadn't got back to zero they'd never have stayed up anyway

 

[chipmunx]

from our site - from the BBC Radio Cumbria commentator;-

Reports starting to circulate that the original EFL framework has won the vote
Announcement to come shortly

 

[Blue Lion]

12.2 At the end of the Playing Season of each competition a table will be compiled showing the playing record of each Club in each division of the Competition. The playing record of each Club must include any points deduction made by the Competition or by the FA and in any situation where points per game are calculated the calculation will be made after taking into account the deduction of any such points.

That's just to decide who gets reprieved in the NLN/S right? In which case it's different to this current situation because it's only here where the PPG is being multiplied by 46 that it effectively increases the size of a points deduction.

 

[Blue Lion]

that's the NL rules and yes if they'd been in the NL then you're right... but if they hadn't got back to zero they'd never have stayed up anyway

The Bolton example was a bit facetious but the same logic applies to my own club's situation where this decision actually actually means something

Anyway it seems the EFL's proposal got the vote so I'll pipe down.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Bye Stevenage. Hope you challenge it in court.

https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/efl-egm/

 

[chipmunx]

The Bolton example was a bit facetious but the same logic applies to my own club's situation where this decision actually actually means something

I think under the Ipswich proposal you'd be in a better shape than the NL ones though.

 

[T.A]

Bye Stevenage. Hope you challenge it in court.

https://www.exetercityfc.co.uk/news/2020/june/efl-egm/

With what money exactly?

 

[Luke Imp]

L2 has voted to end, by a majority of 23-1 apparently. Not sure who the one is, I thought it was a 24-0 majority last time so someone's changed their mind?

 

[chipmunx]

L2 has voted to end, by a majority of 23-1 apparently. Not sure who the one is, I thought it was a 24-0 majority last time so someone's changed their mind?

so the 1 was Stevenage then?

 

[dannyc5]

Where has that been announced?

 

[CTFCfan99]

Dale Vince on Twitter:

'The question of whether to play out our season or quit has just been voted on. Only one vote in favour of playing on (FGR) surprised by that. So L2 season is done. Shame, but we’ll focus on the new one, whenever that comes and in whatever shape it take. '

 

[Devon_Lad]

With what money exactly?

Crowd funding and joining the same law suit Sunderland, Peterborough and Tranmere are about to jump on. See what's happening in France for more info.

Without a provision in the charter they'll easily win in court. And rightly so. Ppg is a ridiculous formula to calculate league positions and the season should've been null and voided 2 months ago.

 

[chipmunx]

Crowd funding and joining the same law suit Sunderland, Peterborough and Tranmere are about to jump on. See what's happening in France for more info.

Without a provision in the charter they'll easily win in court. And rightly so. Ppg is a ridiculous formula to calculate league positions and the season should've been null and voided 2 months ago.

 

[Indian Dan]

Absolutely no leg to stand on. The EFL hasn’t imposed this on clubs - the clubs had a free vote on what to accept.

Again, you’re talking nonsense. MacAnthony has already accepted it.

 

[dannyc5]

Crowd funding and joining the same law suit Sunderland, Peterborough and Tranmere are about to jump on. See what's happening in France for more info.

Without a provision in the charter they'll easily win in court. And rightly so. Ppg is a ridiculous formula to calculate league positions and the season should've been null and voided 2 months ago.

It would be very interesting to see Stevenage take this to the courts, considering they have (according to Dale Vince) just voted to end the season under the EFLs framework.

 

[dannyc5]

Absolutely no leg to stand on. The EFL hasn’t imposed this on clubs - the clubs had a free vote on what to accept.

Again, you’re talking nonsense. MacAnthony has already accepted it.

This Devon lad guy is nuts. Remember when he pretended he was a fairly high standard ref in the Southern Leagues from the age of 15? He’s a fantasist.

 

[chipmunx]

It would be very interesting to see Stevenage take this to the courts, considering they have (according to Dale Vince) just voted to end the season under the EFLs framework.

I'm assuming they think there is more chance of Macclesfield getting a big enough points deduction to send them down - whereas if they'd played on at least Macclesfield would have picked up some more points

 

[Luke Imp]

Bizzarely, our suggestion on how to work PPG out when points deductions are involved was voted against and I thought that was the easiest amendment of the lot!

 

[chipmunx]

Bizzarely, our suggestion on how to work PPG out when points deductions are involved was voted against and I thought that was the easiest amendment of the lot!

and it was a very sensible amendment that hurt nobody

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1270352402118594562

 

[dedwardp]

Bizzarely, our suggestion on how to work PPG out when points deductions are involved was voted against and I thought that was the easiest amendment of the lot!

Staggering. If Macclesfield were to be relegated on the basis of having an effective points deduction that is bigger than the sanction they were given I can't see them not successfully taking that to court.

 

[Indian Dan]

Championees!

 

[Blue Lion]

Staggering. If Macclesfield were to be relegated on the basis of having an effective points deduction that is bigger than the sanction they were given I can't see them not successfully taking that to court.

Thing is, this is what the clubs have voted for so it's really no different to the Tranmere situation for example. Unless it can be shown that the EFL misled the clubs by never actually going into detail about what their method for points deductions actually was.

As mentioned in one of our fan groups, by using this method our points deduction has effectively been increased by three points. I fear we've been screwed over here without anyone really noticing.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Crowd funding and joining the same law suit Sunderland, Peterborough and Tranmere are about to jump on. See what's happening in France for more info.

Without a provision in the charter they'll easily win in court. And rightly so. Ppg is a ridiculous formula to calculate league positions and the season should've been null and voided 2 months ago.

Crikey son, at 25 you are a polymath. 12 years semi-pro refereeing and acknowledged legal eagle.

QED.

 

[dannyc5]

I think the FL have been gunning for you since the Crewe game was called off. It’s quite clear IMO they want you to go over Stevenage.

 

[dedwardp]

Thing is, this is what the clubs have voted for so it's really no different to the Tranmere situation for example. Unless it can be shown that the EFL misled the clubs by never actually going into detail about what their method for points deductions actually was.

As mentioned in one of our fan groups, by using this method our points deduction has effectively been increased by three points. I fear we've been screwed over here without anyone really noticing.

I think it's completely different to be honest. I think the thing I find most staggering is that making the deductions after already working out PPG wasn't the default way of working to begin with!

 

[Trapdoor]

QED.

What does quantum electrodynamics have to do with anything?

 

[Blue Lion]

I think it's completely different to be honest. I think the thing I find most staggering is that making the deductions after already working out PPG wasn't the default way of working to begin with!

Exactly, it should have been the default method. But by not making it the default and leaving it to Lincoln to point it out, it was never going to be taken as seriously as if the EFL had proposed the idea themselves. And that is where the EFL have been a bit sly, potentially well aware that most people thought that the Lincoln amendment was the default but never explicitly addressing it.

 

[Bee sting]

So the first play off game is in 9 days time. What happened to the 3 weeks needed to get up to fitness.

 

[Blue Lion]

I think the FL have been gunning for you since the Crewe game was called off. It’s quite clear IMO they want you to go over Stevenage.

Absolutely they want us out, the report from our last disciplinary hearing showed that they would have relegated us there and then if they'd got their way. Then they go and charge us again last week, directly in contradiction with the independent panel's advice. And to be fair, in any other season we would have been relegated long ago and with no reason to complain.

The more pressing question to me is whether the other FL clubs want rid of us as well, so may have voted in a way that makes it more likely that we will be relegated.