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German media reports there has been an explosion near an office for migration in Zirndorf near Nuremberg.

And the remainers said in all seriousness we're safer in Europe?
 

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They're saying no casualties so thankfully more lives haven't been lost. Merkel should resign, she's got blood on her hands.
 

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We were literally allowed to say 'no thanks' to more refugees. This is the bullshit that Farage was selling with his fucking poster, and we've at least one person who gobbled it down.

Has there been any idea of motive or suspects yet? A suitcase bomb doesn't seem ISIS's style, and why target a migration centre. Surely this could just as easily be more far right activists?
 

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We were literally allowed to say 'no thanks' to more refugees. This is the bullshit that Farage was selling with his fucking poster, and we've at least one person who gobbled it down.

Has there been any idea of motive or suspects yet? A suitcase bomb doesn't seem ISIS's style, and why target a migration centre. Surely this could just as easily be more far right activists?
I'm not demonising refugees and applying that narrative to my opinion is closed mindedness in the extreme. To have close to half a million people arriving en masse from an environment that is incompatible to the society in which they arrive into is irresponsible and a red rag to a bull. That level in such a short space of time is going to fail. It's not as though there is even a coherent plan in which to allow them to flourish in their new surroundings. It leads to ghettoisation and the second rate citizen treatment breeds a culture of disenfranchisement that ultimately causes problems. The end result is a fragmented society with serves to divide and lay blame to a set of people and allows for measures to 'combat the security' risk which is just a blanket to constrict civil liberties. When your actions lead to the blood of your own citizens you should resign in shame.
 

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What are you on about? Asylum seekers have been given protection to flee unsafe living environments by the UN since the '50s.
 
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What are you on about? Asylum seekers have been given protection to flee unsafe living environments by the UN since the '50s.
And it almost every case they're ghettoised and used as political pawns.
 

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Much better than dying, I'm sure. Integration isn't as bad as it used to be, we're experienced at it now.
 

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I was referring to this comment.

'And the remainers said in all seriousness we're safer in Europe?'
 

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I was referring to this comment.

'And the remainers said in all seriousness we're safer in Europe?'
Yes because Europe is a land of milk & honey right about now. It's an imploding mess and will only worsen, we've been so so lucky.
 

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Yes because Europe is a land of milk & honey right about now. It's an imploding mess and will only worsen, we've been so so lucky.
You're a glass half empty kinda fella aren't ya?
 
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It's not luck. The UK had a far more sensible approach to the migrant crisis than Germany did.
 

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You're a glass half empty kinda fella aren't ya?
Quite the opposite. it was the remain side who based the entirety of their argument on doom & fear. I backed our supposed Europe dependent nation to prosper by standing on it's own feet.
 

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They should have just let them all get slaughtered in Syria. . That's the compassionate thing to do isn't it.

It's quite strange that a handful of arrests out of the million refugee's Germany allowed in and now its supposed to have been a complete disaster. It's almost as if people assume every immigrant will be completely peaceful and law abiding. We don't expect that from anyone else.

The attacks have been truly terrible but we really have to get more perspectitve. Let's not forget the last attack was a terrible error on part of the authorities, and the shooting in germany wasn't by a refugee he was born and bred in germany.

Terrible though the attacks have been Germany will benefit in the future...not that gain should be any part of allowing refugee's in.
 
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Quite the opposite. it was the remain side who based the entirety of their argument on doom & fear. I backed our supposed Europe dependent nation to prosper by standing on it's own feet.
I was alluding to the imploding mess and it will get worse.
 

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Macclesfield Town/Manchester City. It's complicated.
It's not luck. The UK had a far more sensible approach to the migrant crisis than Germany did.

And did so while IN the EU. What's that about not controlling our borders?
 

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Quite the opposite. it was the remain side who based the entirety of their argument on doom & fear. I backed our supposed Europe dependent nation to prosper by standing on it's own feet.

Predictions that may very well still come true. Better predictions, even if they did tend towards the worse cases, than basically blatant lies.
 

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Predictions that may very well still come true. Better predictions, even if they did tend towards the worse cases, than basically blatant lies.
What are you on about? Do you not read my posts on here, why d'ya keep trying to attribute my views in leaving Europe to that of UKIP?
 

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They should have just let them all get slaughtered in Syria. . That's the compassionate thing to do isn't it.

It's quite strange that a handful of arrests out of the million refugee's Germany allowed in and now its supposed to have been a complete disaster. It's almost as if people assume every immigrant will be completely peaceful and law abiding. We don't expect that from anyone else.

The attacks have been truly terrible but we really have to get more perspectitve. Let's not forget the last attack was a terrible error on part of the authorities, and the shooting in germany wasn't by a refugee he was born and bred in germany.

Terrible though the attacks have been Germany will benefit in the future...not that gain should be any part of allowing refugee's in.
First of all the mess in Syria is as a result of catastrophic foreign policy by the West, we wouldn't be in this mess if not for the fact we've got evil dictating the world that continues to go on unchallenged. Moving on to your assertion that not allowing them into Germany would condemn them to slaughter, that's simply false, they didn't arrive into Germany direct from Syria. No one is denying that as developed nations we should allow people fleeing persecution a chance of a fresh start but it has to be coordinated properly, simply opening the gates to millions as you put it isn't coordinated and isn't responsible. We need to placate their implementation in a manner that allows them to develop and contribute to wider society, that isn't what's happening. Germany has them holed up in ex ww2 bases and is creating an environment that breeds a culture of them & us. The dude you describe as a born & bred German was actually an Iranian refugee which I think further illustrates my point. He may have lived in Germany for many years but it's quite evident that as a product of being a refugee he felt disenfranchised and was allowed to develop mental illness through which consequentially resulted in the tragic circumstances we saw last Friday. And yes, as a supposed developed society we do expect people to be completely peaceful & law abiding. Those expectations are exclusive of race, creed & religion.

I was alluding to the imploding mess and it will get worse.
That's just the state of affairs as it currently stands, if you don't class what's happening in Europe at the moment as an imploding mess I'd be interested in what you think qualifies as an imploding mess.
 

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Hatfield Galleria evacuated - bomb squad on site.

Reports of a suspicious suitcase..
 

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Another Syrian refugee on the loose in Germany.
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was captured by three other syrian refugees. why would they do that if they are all terrorists? it is a mystery

dude is dead now anyway. killed himself in police custody
 

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They were planning to make a cell.

DUH!
 

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