Battle of the sausages (Lincoln vs Carlisle)

[Carver]

Why?

Just glancing at your attendances, in recent L1 history you've been one of the mid-lower attending teams in that league. You weren't one of the best in L2 last year either despite having a good year.

Like plenty of other fair to middling clubs in L2, an occasional adventure into League One sounds about right for your level?

I don't see Carlisle in League Two and think 'crikey, something must have gone terribly wrong there'.

Oh well when we are doing well and have ambitious ownership we are hitting 10,000+ quite regularly, but unfortunately we have been on a decline in the last 9 years, but you guys are looking to be doing the best you've done in years and yet there are still loads of empty seats in your stand. We are a sleeping giant it's just we've had shit owners most of the time in our history probably because we are so far up north no one good wants to buy us so we have to dog it out with the minnows.

 

[mowgli]

Yes I'm afraid it is, thanks to the likes of Wycombe, they started this thing and many other teams sadly followed their example.

Danny Hylton of Luton is the worst.

I think you'll find that was Stevenage under Westley that started that bullshit.

 

[Stringy]

Oh well when we are doing well and have ambitious ownership we are hitting 10,000+ quite regularly, but unfortunately we have been on a decline in the last 9 years, but you guys are looking to be doing the best you've done in years and yet there are still loads of empty seats in your stand. We are a sleeping giant it's just we've had shit owners most of the time in our history probably because we are so far up north no one good wants to buy us so we have to dog it out with the minnows.

Yes, our attendances have been poor for a while.

I just think it's perhaps a little arrogant to believe that Carlisle have a right to be established in L1. Besides ourselves, there's probably 22 other sides in this league looking up at L1 thinking that with a little good fortune they could become established.

 

[Impish]

As for your 8000 fans well done, just the question I ask now is where were they when you were doing shit?

We still are doing shit we should be an established league 1 club.

 

[hellogregory]

Yes, our attendances have been poor for a while.

I just think it's perhaps a little arrogant to believe that Carlisle have a right to be established in L1. Besides ourselves, there's probably 22 other sides in this league looking up at L1 thinking that with a little good fortune they could become established.

I don't know how old Carver is, but I've been properly following Carlisle for about 12 years. During that time we've mainly been an established league 1 club, we were there for 8 years of the time I've been going to games and on the whole did ok, had a couple decent efforts at promotion.

Whilst we have no divine right to be there and we're deservedly in League 2 now, I do see us as a natural League 1 club because that's what I'm used to. Maybe that's where Carver is coming from if he's on similar timescales to me, despite putting his point across terribly and in an arrogant manor.

Obviously the longer we're here in league 2 the likelihood is I'll get more used to it and think differently.

 

[Gladders]

I don't know how old Carver is, but I've been properly following Carlisle for about 12 years. During that time we've mainly been an established league 1 club, we were there for 8 years of the time I've been going to games and on the whole did ok, had a couple decent efforts at promotion.

Whilst we have no divine right to be there and we're deservedly in League 2 now, I do see us as a natural League 1 club because that's what I'm used to. Maybe that's where Carver is coming from if he's on similar timescales to me, despite putting his point across terribly and in an arrogant manor.

Obviously the longer we're here in league 2 the likelihood is I'll get more used to it and think differently.

And in the 19 years prior to that you spend 16 years of them in lge 2 and one in non league, we can all come up with timelines showing were clubs should be...

 

[Alan Partridge]

^

You're missing his (and Carver's?) point entirely...

 

[Gladders]

^

You're missing his (and Carver's?) point entirely...

I'm not, in the 30 years I've been following football, Carlisle are a natural lge 2 club just like us in achievement and crowds, despite what many of our fans claim and nearly half of that time we were in the championship equivalent.

 

[hellogregory]

And in the 19 years prior to that you spend 16 years of them in lge 2 and one in non league, we can all come up with timelines showing were clubs should be...

You've totally missed my point, but carry on.

 

[Gladders]

You've totally missed my point, but carry on.

The point about you choosing a specific time line to highlight how Carver thinks your natural level is a division higher? Yeah totally missed it.

 

[hellogregory]

I'm not, in the 30 years I've been following football, Carlisle are a natural lge 2 club just like us in achievement and crowds, despite what many of our fans claim and nearly half of that time we were in the championship equivalent.

Christ, go and re read my post for fuck sake.

I'm not denying that we've been in league 2 a lot. I simply said that in my time following CUFC we've mostly been in league 1 so that's the level I'm used to us being at.

I even said we deserve to be where we are.

 

[hellogregory]

The point about you choosing a specific time line to highlight how Carver thinks your natural level is a division higher? Yeah totally missed it.

Yeah you've missed it.

Now jog on.

 

[PaulHaddock]

Play nice children, or take it to the individual thread.

 

[Carver]

I think you'll find that was Stevenage under Westley that started that bullshit.

Of course and Westley must have learned his dirty cheat tactics from watching Billy The Fish cartoons.

We still are doing shit we should be an established league 1 club.

HA, I know you're obviously being sarcastic but even if you aren't you have never been in L1, well at least not in a couple of decades I don't think. Lincoln are what many would think of a typical workman like L2 club.

 

[Luke Imp]

We are, just like Macclesfield and Rochdale used to be.

 

[GTFCfish]

This thread is golden.

 

[shoddycollins]

I fucking hate football

I did say that this game was the one I would judge how we'd do this season on, beating Cheltenham and Cambridge not exactly being great indicators, and we were hammered by a team who aren't exactly favourites for promotion. Maybe Lincoln will be challenge for a play-off place but on this showing we'll do no such thing. I'm with HG, bottom-half safety for us this season.

Still think the team selection was the main reason it all went so badly wrong. Notable that HG thought it was a decent selection but no team with realistic aims for promotion should be trying to set up to deal with the opposition as opposed to simply playing the 11 men who have been best so far this season.

I think Hope can still have an impact this season, he has some good qualities, but he has to get into the team on merit and not just because Curle thinks he'll suit the opposition better than Miller would. If either of those or Bennett or Cosgrove are decent strikers then they'll score goals regardless of the opposition's playing style.

And Lincoln ffs get over yourselves, taking Curle's pre-match comments way too much to heart.

 

[Luke Imp]

He came up with a Holdsworth-ism on Saturday post match.

Something about 'want' and 'need' both being four letter words but are spelt differently and have different meanings. The interviewer couldn't get a word in.

 

[shoddycollins]

He came up with a Holdsworth-ism on Saturday post match.

Something about 'want' and 'need' both being four letter words but are spelt differently and have different meanings. The interviewer couldn't get a word in.

The interviewer never can, it's Curle's patented technique for dealing with the media, especially after a defeat, spend about 10 minutes answering one question. I had turned the radio off by that point.

Anyway, something to bear in mind, and this is all fans and all managers. Things the opposition manager says about your team in the run-up to a game aren't about you, they're about his own team. If he really thought he had the measure of the opposition he wouldn't broadcast that information, instead he says what he thinks will get him the reaction he wants, from his players, from the fans and from the board.

Keith Curle quite often talks about the physicality and the directness of the opposition precisely because he wants our players to play that way a bit more.

 

[Luke Imp]

Ah yeah, we've never played a team who haven't had good players and a good manager since DC's been here!

 

[hellogregory]

. Notable that HG thought it was a decent selection but no team with realistic aims for promotion should be trying to set up to deal with the opposition as opposed to simply playing the 11 men who have been best so far this season.

I did, however I was expecting 442. By the sounds of it, hope started out wide.

We certainly had chances in this game going off highlights and reports. Maybe if we'd had last seasons strikers instead of these "I'm good but I don't score" bunch we may have made more of a game of it.

 

[shoddycollins]

I did, however I was expecting 442. By the sounds of it, hope started out wide.

We certainly had chances in this game going off highlights and reports. Maybe if we'd had last seasons strikers instead of these "I'm good but I don't score" bunch we may have made more of a game of it.

True, but it might also be the system more than the stikers. Until he signed for us, Jabo had gone his entire career being the kind of striker who was good but didn't really score much.