Bristol City thread

[Walkley_Owl]

I'd imagine PNE, Barnsley, Burton, Millwall, Bolton, Ipswich, Brentford, QPR & Sheff Utd all work on stricter budgets than Bristol City.

Above that, it's anyone's guess, Reading don't throw money about and Forest don't seem to have many big name players.

I'd imagine you creep into the top half in terms of spending power.

Sheff Utd is a strange one, they have cash apparently and would be a better choice for a player IMHO, urgh hated saying that.

 

[hodge]

What on earth are you on about? How would we be one of the bottom 8 clubs financially in this league - we're getting nearly 20k at home every week, Ashton Gate is booked solid for every day of every week three months in advance for corporate events and such, we're absolutely raking it in. Added to that we have had a shit ton of money come in from player sales and sells on such as Bolasie and Adomah - we've spent more than £20m over the last three transfer windows, I've genuinely no idea what you're on about.

Pay the money and a good player will come - saw that with Tommo and O'Neil (barring the good player part with the latter). And we have the money available.

Villa - parachute payments
Barnsley - Less
Birmingham - equal/probably pay slightly better
Bolton - Less
Brentford - Less
Burton - Less
Cardiff - Only just stopped receiving parachute payments
Derby County - Bigger budget
Fulham - Only just stopped receiving parachute payments (only a couple of years since paying £11m for players)
Hull City - Parachute payments
Ipswich - debatable, more than likely less
Leeds - bigger
M'boro - parachute payments
Millwall - Less
Norwich - Parachute payments
Forest - 20,000 plus attendances too, imagine they pay just as well as us.
Preston - Less
QPR - Not long out of parachute payments
Reading - Same, guessing they pay better.
Sheffield Utd - Less
Sheffield Wednesday - Bigger
Sunderland - Parachute payments
Wolves - Guessing more

Okay maybe 8 was a bit of an underestimate but I'd say we're still bottom half at least, after that you have to take in attractiveness of the club where teams like Forest, Reading, heck even Ipswich may stand out as more attractive than us. To get a big name championship player to join us we have to persuade a player to join us rather than half of the clubs in the league being more attractive. Players like Tomlin's fees would have been spread out over multiple financial years anyway so its not like we handed out £3m upfront, so the £20m for last season was probably more like £8m max for that financial year.

 

[JJH]

Sheff Utd is a strange one, they have cash apparently and would be a better choice for a player IMHO, urgh hated saying that.

Yeah they currently are a better option under Wilder I think, because our manager is a joke. It would come down to whoever offered the most though obviously.

 

[JJH]

Villa - parachute payments
Barnsley - Less
Birmingham - equal/probably pay slightly better
Bolton - Less
Brentford - Less
Burton - Less
Cardiff - Only just stopped receiving parachute payments
Derby County - Bigger budget
Fulham - Only just stopped receiving parachute payments (only a couple of years since paying £11m for players)
Hull City - Parachute payments
Ipswich - debatable, more than likely less
Leeds - bigger
M'boro - parachute payments
Millwall - Less
Norwich - Parachute payments
Forest - 20,000 plus attendances too, imagine they pay just as well as us.
Preston - Less
QPR - Not long out of parachute payments
Reading - Same, guessing they pay better.
Sheffield Utd - Less
Sheffield Wednesday - Bigger
Sunderland - Parachute payments
Wolves - Guessing more

Okay maybe 8 was a bit of an underestimate but I'd say we're still bottom half at least, after that you have to take in attractiveness of the club where teams like Forest, Reading, heck even Ipswich may stand out as more attractive than us. To get a big name championship player to join us we have to persuade a player to join us rather than half of the clubs in the league being more attractive. Players like Tomlin's fees would have been spread out over multiple financial years anyway so its not like we handed out £3m upfront, so the £20m for last season was probably more like £8m max for that financial year.

What sort of argument is "bigger"? We're a bigger club than Bournemouth and they're richer and much more attractive currently than us. Leeds new owner is worth £300k, we have much more financial clout than them - they didn't even own their fucking stadium until a few weeks back. Agard came to us in L1 ahead of them in the Championship, that is telling.

 

[Ciderup]

Without sounding a c*** (I know, I know), Bristol City are not a big draw for players IMHO, you can offer the wages but do you have the "I want to play for this club" factor? I'd suggest your manager doesn't help matters either but what do I know I'm not a city fan.

Spot on Walkley!
I agree we're not a big draw and won't pay the wages of some. The biggest issue IMHO is the awful head coach. Professional football is quite a small world and I'm sure any pro knows a fellow pro who has played for Johnson or knows someone who has. I would guess the reports on him aren't good so players go elsewhere.
When you consider it's only last year that we finally had the decent crowds out catchment area probably suggests so we're coming from a long way back in regards of status.
Personally, I think it's all about Johnson as I think he's hopeless but that's just my opinion!

 

[Ciderup]

What sort of argument is "bigger"? We're a bigger club than Bournemouth and they're richer and much more attractive currently than us. Leeds new owner is worth £300k, we have much more financial clout than them - they didn't even own their fucking stadium until a few weeks back. Agard came to us in L1 ahead of them in the Championship, that is telling.

Being pedantic, we don't own ours either JJH!

 

[JJH]

Being pedantic, we don't own ours either JJH!

Technically we do though as the owner of the club owns the stadium and all revenue generated goes in the name of his company (Bristol Sport) which means it's still eligible for FFP. In fact I like the concept, all money made from the rugby etc still goes under the Bristol Sport umbrella so we could invest that into the football team if we wanted to.

 

[Ciderup]

Technically we do though as the owner of the club owns the stadium and all revenue generated goes in the name of his company (Bristol Sport) which means it's still eligible for FFP. In fact I like the concept, all money made from the rugby etc still goes under the Bristol Sport umbrella so we could invest that into the football team if we wanted to.

I don't disagree and, as I said, I was being a tad pedantic. i just find it slightly concerning that we used to own our most valuable asset and don't any more. I understand the reasoning but the football club is less valuable because of it. If, god forbid, SL ever sold the football club, I dread to think what would or could happen.

 

[hodge]

What sort of argument is "bigger"? We're a bigger club than Bournemouth and they're richer and much more attractive currently than us. Leeds new owner is worth £300k, we have much more financial clout than them - they didn't even own their fucking stadium until a few weeks back. Agard came to us in L1 ahead of them in the Championship, that is telling.

Bigger financially, you talk about Leeds but they're able to sign players like Chris Wood, they bought Kemar Roofe for what was our record transfer until a few weeks ago yet we have much more financial clout?

My point with all of this is that we're not the financial powerhouse that a lot of our fans believe in context to the rest of the teams of the league and this makes it hard to bring in quality players.

 

[JJH]

Bigger financially, you talk about Leeds but they're able to sign players like Chris Wood, they bought Kemar Roofe for what was our record transfer until a few weeks ago yet we have much more financial clout?

My point with all of this is that we're not the financial powerhouse that a lot of our fans believe in context to the rest of the teams of the league and this makes it hard to bring in quality players.

They signed Chris Wood for just under £3m and he'll be on less than Flint, O'Neil and Tomlin were here unless he's signed a new lucrative deal at Leeds that I've somehow missed since joining.

So what, they bought Roofe for £3m and he's probably on less than £10k? We signed Engvall for £2.5m, Magnusson for £2.5m, fucking Diedhiou for £5.3m etc. What're you on about?

Kodjia cost more than Roofe as well, £3.25m.

 

[Ciderup]

They signed Chris Wood for just under £3m and he'll be on less than Flint, O'Neil and Tomlin were here unless he's signed a new lucrative deal at Leeds that I've somehow missed since joining.

So what, they bought Roofe for £3m and he's probably on less than £10k? We signed Engvall for £2.5m, Magnusson for £2.5m, fucking Diedhiou for £5.3m etc. What're you on about?

Kodjia cost more than Roofe as well, £3.25m.

That would surprise me TBH bearing in mind they signed him from the Premier League. even if he was on less, which I doubt, I would bet he's on a fair bit more now?

 

[City169]

How do you know he's a reasonable target? He's a 21 year old player that's in the same league as Gustav Engvall was, if you remember him. We've just sold our best player, and it's obvious where we need to add to the side - so spend the money wisely and get in a player that'll signal a statement of intent.

He's at a better club than City, he is playing in the qualifying stages of a major European tournament and is his teams top scorer, from the wing.

I'd trust our scouts (pretty clear Tinman was watching him recently) rather than write a player off because you never used him on FIFA.

 

[hodge]

They signed Chris Wood for just under £3m and he'll be on less than Flint, O'Neil and Tomlin were here unless he's signed a new lucrative deal at Leeds that I've somehow missed since joining.

So what, they bought Roofe for £3m and he's probably on less than £10k? We signed Engvall for £2.5m, Magnusson for £2.5m, fucking Diedhiou for £5.3m etc. What're you on about?

Kodjia cost more than Roofe as well, £3.25m.

We smashed our usual wage structure to pay Tomlin though, its not like we regularly pay those wages. Flint signed a new contract just after promotion but before that having signed from Swindon I doubt he was on much, so would expect Wood to be paid higher. Also Kodjia was just over £2m, at the time I think it was 3 million euros when the exchange rate was different.

We can't regularly break our wage structure for players and the sort of players you talk about in McManaman would want big wages.

 

[JJH]

He's at a better club than City, he is playing in the qualifying stages of a major European tournament and is his teams top scorer, from the wing.

I'd trust our scouts (pretty clear Tinman was watching him recently) rather than write a player off because you never used him on FIFA.

Bore off 169 you're so pretentious and smarmy.

Top scorer with 3 goals in 19 - setting the bar high. Signed from the same league as Engvall, and Djuric and Hegeler have hardly been revelations, so excuse me for not lapping it up.

We smashed our usual wage structure to pay Tomlin though, its not like we regularly pay those wages. Flint signed a new contract just after promotion but before that having signed from Swindon I doubt he was on much, so would expect Wood to be paid higher. Also Kodjia was just over £2m, at the time I think it was 3 million euros when the exchange rate was different.

We can't regularly break our wage structure for players and the sort of players you talk about in McManaman would want big wages.

O'Neil signed for us on £18k a couple of weeks before Tomlin, Lansdown said in the summer of 15/16 when the new stadium comes into effect is when you'll start to see us being able to properly compete financially, and we're now entering the financial year where our records will show the revenue generated from the stadium, so let's see what happens.

 

[City169]

Bore off 169 you're so pretentious and smarmy.

Top scorer with 3 goals in 19 - setting the bar high. Signed from the same league as Engvall, and Djuric and Hegeler have hardly been revelations, so excuse me for not lapping it up.


O'Neil signed for us on £18k a couple of weeks before Tomlin, Lansdown said in the summer of 15/16 when the new stadium comes into effect is when you'll start to see us being able to properly compete financially, and we're now entering the financial year where our records will show the revenue generated from the stadium, so let's see what happens.

I just don't look at things as the absolute worst case "end of the world" scenario.

He's from the same league as Engvall, so what? Engvall looked decent in the limited game time. His reasons for not playing are unknown to us, but dropping Abraham for him would have made no sense at all.

Djuric has been alright, not outstanding.
Magnusson was pretty good.
Kodjia was ok, wasn't he?


But rather than actually debate anything I say, you sling an insult and saunter off, again.

You wrote Diedhiou off above "fucking Diedhiou for 5.3m" but he had a better record in the same league as Kodjia (and was younger at the time)

 

[JJH]

I just don't look at things as the absolute worst case "end of the world" scenario.

He's from the same league as Engvall, so what? Engvall looked decent in the limited game time. His reasons for not playing are unknown to us, but dropping Abraham for him would have made no sense at all.

Djuric has been alright, not outstanding.
Magnusson was pretty good.
Kodjia was ok, wasn't he?


But rather than actually debate anything I say, you sling an insult and saunter off, again.

You wrote Diedhiou off above "fucking Diedhiou for 5.3m" but he had a better record in the same league as Kodjia (and was younger at the time)

Are you deliberately being thick or are you generally just a bit dense?

I never wrote Diedhiou off, I used him as an example against Hodge's point to show the financial clout we have. KITR on OTIB said he didn't expect us to sign him as there was lots of competition, and he spoke of our interest weeks before it made the press - but we got our man.

Haven't written him off, not even commented on his ability.

 

[JoshBCFC]

How do you know he's a reasonable target? He's a 21 year old player that's in the same league as Gustav Engvall was, if you remember him. We've just sold our best player, and it's obvious where we need to add to the side - so spend the money wisely and get in a player that'll signal a statement of intent.

He's scored one more goal from the wing as Engvall did up top and he's got the most assists in the league with 13. I don't know how the Swedish first division compares to the Championship though: so he may not be a reasonable target, I was probably getting a bit ahead of myself. My original point still stands: I wouldn't call this boring.

Are you deliberately being thick or are you generally just a bit dense?

I never wrote Diedhiou off, I used him as an example against Hodge's point to show the financial clout we have. KITR on OTIB said he didn't expect us to sign him as there was lots of competition, and he spoke of our interest weeks before it made the press - but we got our man.

Haven't written him off, not even commented on his ability.

So what did you mean by "Fucking Diedhiou for £5.3 million" then? With all due respect, it does sound like you are writing him off.

 

[JJH]

He's scored one more goal from the wing as Engvall did up top and he's got the most assists in the league with 13. I don't know how the Swedish first division compares to the Championship though: so he may not be a reasonable target, I was probably getting a bit ahead of myself. My original point still stands: I wouldn't call this boring.

So what did you mean by "Fucking Diedhiou for £5.3 million" then? With all due respect, it does sound like you are writing him off.

That we spent £5.3m on an unknown, it was used to emphasise the point not against Diedhiou, he's probably decent if we spent that on him, not writing him off at all.

 

[City169]

Put a relevant section of this on the transfer thread.

At a Q&A with fans today, Lee Johnson has said we are "close" on 2 new signings and confirmed our interest in Eliasson.
The rumours on Flint and Bryan to Leeds were debunked- no bid and neither player wants to leave.

He said he wants 2 new signings, which could go up to 4 if other players left.

With Tomlin, it was agreed at the start of the window to sell him, but no clubs were interested. Then the comment about building a team around him was made, but days after that Cardiff put a bid in.

Lloyd Kelly won't be on loan, he will be backup as LB.

 

[BCFC David]

Put a relevant section of this on the transfer thread.

At a Q&A with fans today, Lee Johnson has said we are "close" on 2 new signings and confirmed our interest in Eliasson.
The rumours on Flint and Bryan to Leeds were debunked- no bid and neither player wants to leave.

He said he wants 2 new signings, which could go up to 4 if other players left.

With Tomlin, it was agreed at the start of the window to sell him, but no clubs were interested. Then the comment about building a team around him was made, but days after that Cardiff put a bid in.

Lloyd Kelly won't be on loan, he will be backup as LB.

Didn't he also say he's looking to play Ried up top? The same Ried whos finishing is awful? The same Reid who he bombed out halfway through the season as he couldn't " trust" him? But hey, fuck it, he's scored against Manor Farm and Bath.........

The blokes a fucking clown!

 

[hodge]

Given half of our strike force is injured and Diedhiou had only just arrived I don't blame him for trying options upfront.

 

[Aber gas]

What's happened to snaky mcCuntface?

 

[hodge]

injury keeping him out for a few more weeks

 

[Aber gas]

Shame.

 

[BCFC David]

Given half of our strike force is injured and Diedhiou had only just arrived I don't blame him for trying options upfront.

Well bar a player he spunked 2m on?

 

[City169]

Didn't he also say he's looking to play Ried up top? The same Ried whos finishing is awful? The same Reid who he bombed out halfway through the season as he couldn't " trust" him? But hey, fuck it, he's scored against Manor Farm and Bath.........

The blokes a fucking clown!

No

He's trying Reid out up top to test a front 2 formation. Given our striker injury situation with just Diedhiou and Hinds fit then giving one of the more attacking minded midfielders the support strikers role while unavailable makes sense.

 

[City169]

Given half of our strike force is injured and Diedhiou had only just arrived I don't blame him for trying options upfront.

Any old excuse to have a moan though.

Well bar a player he spunked 2m on?

The one that just joined them at the training camp as he was on loan.
Not sure the player would have appreciated flying between Bristol and Sweden for a few friendlies when competetive time against higher opposition benefits him, and therefore us, more.
Edit, and Envall picked up a knock recently, he wasn't playing due to injury around a week ago when Tinman went to Sweden.

 

[Ciderup]

What's happened to snaky mcCuntface?

Who? Oh, your previous super hero! I didn't get the irony.
I thought we only bought him to stop you shower getting promotion?
You can have him back for a couple of £Million.

On far more important issues, I'm very sad to read that Keith Welch's cancer has returned and I wish him well.

 

[Aber gas]

Who? Oh, your previous super hero! I didn't get the irony.
I thought we only bought him to stop you shower getting promotion?
You can have him back for a couple of £Million.

On far more important issues, I'm very sad to read that Keith Welch's cancer has returned and I wish him well.

You did, it was a giant, spectacular rustle. Fair play. Now you've finished laughing you lot must think he's a massive c*** mind. Even City cant have any respect for a bloke who does that.

That is sad news

 

[Ciderup]

You did, it was a giant, spectacular rustle. Fair play. Now you've finished laughing you lot must think he's a massive c*** mind. Even City cant have any respect for a bloke who does that.

That is sad news

Indeed it's sad news about 'Elvis' Welchy mate, let's hope he can 'win' the battle again.
As for Taylor, he's not at all what I expected. I thought we were getting a 'Tony Thorpe' type player, a finisher. He hasn't been that by any means but he has deserved his place with his clever movement. In all seriousness, there's a Championship player in him! I would be interested if my fellow reds agree?