Clubs in this league in size order

[Dion'sHead]

I can't get my head round this. Literally Bristol City think they are a bigger club than us.

It's not even like Leicester or Birmingham who are both respectable clubs with good history

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

What facts are made up then boss?

The one where you falsely claim to get by far bigger crowds than us. I wouldn't consider 3k far bigger but maybe 12k is a big deal for you, I wouldn't know.

I don't consider ourselves a big club but neither are you, Sheffield United are by far the biggest club imo. We're pretty similar in terms of support, when we've been at the same level they've been pretty similar, probably ours fractionally higher other than this year. We rank ahead of you on success.

 

[JJH]

A sleeping giant? Well, first you have to be big in the first place whereas Bristol City never were. There is a thread on your forum saying you are the 6th biggest club in this league and everyone agrees with it on there.

Link please?

 

[Dion'sHead]

The one where you falsely claim to get by far bigger crowds than us. I wouldn't consider 3k far bigger but maybe 12k is a big deal for you, I wouldn't know.

I don't consider ourselves a big club but neither are you, Sheffield United are by far the biggest club imo. We're pretty similar in terms of support, when we've been at the same level they've been pretty similar, probably ours fractionally higher other than this year. We rank ahead of you on success.

But they won the anglo scottish cup, remember?

 

[TTOCS]

The one where you falsely claim to get by far bigger crowds than us. I wouldn't consider 3k far bigger but maybe 12k is a big deal for you, I wouldn't know.

I don't consider ourselves a big club but neither are you, Sheffield United are by far the biggest club imo. We're pretty similar in terms of support, when we've been at the same level they've been pretty similar, probably ours fractionally higher other than this year. We rank ahead of you on success.

A solid 25%-30% extra then, plus the fact you get more away fans and we sold out games.

 

[JJH]

Lets carry on with the potential argument - before debating with these on past and History.

For starters, we own our stadium, whereas in comparison - Coventry don't. Every bit of revenue we make from that goes straight into the club, and with us having a new 27,000 seater on the way, and the club heading in the right direction, we could be getting a fair bit off that, not to mention the events that will take place there as well.

Secondly, when the chips are down, we have a bigger fanbase. I can use the season before last of us, in contrast with Coventry this season as an example - what were you averaging, 7-8k? When we were down and looking to be heading out, we were still getting gates of 11-12k each week. I could also dig out past examples, but we'll leave it at that for now.

Thirdly, as I previously referred to, the City of Bristol is far bigger than Coventry, and with there being less clubs in a radius of our area than in comparison to Coventry's - that also pays a part.

Also - if we're comparing currents, we have a billionaire owner, and Coventry are a financial mess, and are constantly at war with their owners, and have been for a fair few years.

 

[Dion'sHead]

Link please?

That isn't possible because I've made not enough posts apparently

 

[JJH]

For what it's worth, both Coventry and Bristol City fans clearly think they are bigger clubs than they actually are.

A bit of success has gone to the City fans head, and Coventry fans are blinded by history despite being absolutely shite since the turn of the century and having not won anything in 50 years.

Bradford City average more fans than both ffs, and have been in the PL, yet get discarded completely?

Coventry are a pretty average L1 club nowadays, they deserve to be here, and they get what? 7-8k home fans a game?? Hardly screams massive.

Some good points well made, but with the Bradford fan averages will come the argument of ticket prices.

 

[JJH]

That isn't possible because I've made not enough posts apparently

I'll have it in PM then please.

 

[TTOCS]

Dread to think what Coventry would get in the 4th tier? 4k?

Bradford got 14k.

 

[Dion'sHead]

Lets carry on with the potential argument - before debating with these on past and History.

For starters, we own our stadium, whereas in comparison - Coventry don't. Every bit of revenue we make from that goes straight into the club, and with us having a new 27,000 seater on the way, and the club heading in the right direction, we could be getting a fair bit off that, not to mention the events that will take place there as well.

Secondly, when the chips are down, we have a bigger fanbase. I can use the season before last of us, in contrast with Coventry this season as an example - what were you averaging, 7-8k? When we were down and looking to be heading out, we were still getting gates of 11-12k each week. I could also dig out past examples, but we'll leave it at that for now.

Thirdly, as I previously referred to, the City of Bristol is far bigger than Coventry, and with there being less clubs in a radius of our area than in comparison to Coventry's - that also pays a part.

Also - if we're comparing currents, we have a billionaire owner, and Coventry are a financial mess, and are constantly at war with their owners, and have been for a fair few years.

So if Bury owned their ground but Man United didn't own Old Trafford then Bury are bigger? Right, ok.

A bigger fanbase, you are taking the piss right? Would you ever get 32k for a JPT semi final? Probably not. You couldn't even sell 2,000 for Chesterfield.

And again. Reading have a billionaire owner. Everton don't. Are Reading bigger than Everton?

 

[Dion'sHead]

Dread to think what Coventry would get in the 4th tier? 4k?

Bradford got 14k.

We wouldn't know because we spent most of our recent history in the top divisions mate. Try it one day.

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

You seem to be mixing size with success. Using that criteria we are currently bigger than you.

Put us both in similar circumstances and we're a bigger club than Coventry.

I don't buy into this 'you've never played in the Premier League' bullshit - the Premier League was just a re-brand, it's no different to the old Division 1, so no, we may not have played in the 'Premier League' which is the modern era, but in the past we have been in Division 1.

We have a bigger fanbase currently, and a potentially bigger fanbase. Bristol is a City made up of half a million people - the catchment area is absolutely huge, and Bristol City have always been labelled as a 'sleeping giant,' because of what we could potentially could be, and you have to take that into account.

And - if we're playing the recent game regarding the Premier League, when was the last time Coventry won anything substantial?

I can't even remember the last time they achieved Promotion!

Tell me a time when Bristol ever won anything substantial?

And the only relevance playing in the premier league is to go towards timescale and how recent you were there

So success counts for nothing? (and yes staying in the top flight for as long as we did and winning a cup was success for us despite Coventry fans whinging about how bad we've had it) I believe it does count for something, it is why Aston Villa, Liverpool and Everton are all bigger than Newcastle despite 50k+ rocking up at St. James every week.

Potential, is just that, its potential. Show me something substantial that you have to show for your potential. An FA Cup and 34 consecutive years in the top flight, thats something in the history books that actually happened and can never be undone, but your only counter argument is potential.

You sound like the Newcastle fans who believe they should be in the champions league.

 

[Dion'sHead]

Fuck sake. Bristol City. I knew things were bad but when we get compared to Bristol City we've reached the lowest of our cycle

 

[Dion'sHead]

Tell me a time when Bristol ever won anything substantial?

And the only relevance playing in the premier league is to go towards timescale and how recent you were there

So success counts for nothing? (and yes staying in the top flight for as long as we did and winning a cup was success for us despite Coventry fans whinging about how bad we've had it) I believe it does count for something, it is why Aston Villa, Liverpool and Everton are all bigger than Newcastle despite 50k+ rocking up at St. James every week.

Potential, is just that, its potential. Show me something substantial that you have to show for your potential. An FA Cup and 34 consecutive years in the top flight, thats something in the history books that actually happened and can never be undone, but your only counter argument is potential.

You sound like the Newcastle fans who believe they should be in the champions league.

It's like Plymouth saying they are bigger because it's a well populated area.

 

[UTS]

What a boring argument btw... Can't you just PM each other?

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

Lets carry on with the potential argument - before debating with these on past and History.

For starters, we own our stadium, whereas in comparison - Coventry don't. Every bit of revenue we make from that goes straight into the club, and with us having a new 27,000 seater on the way, and the club heading in the right direction, we could be getting a fair bit off that, not to mention the events that will take place there as well.

Secondly, when the chips are down, we have a bigger fanbase. I can use the season before last of us, in contrast with Coventry this season as an example - what were you averaging, 7-8k? When we were down and looking to be heading out, we were still getting gates of 11-12k each week. I could also dig out past examples, but we'll leave it at that for now.

Thirdly, as I previously referred to, the City of Bristol is far bigger than Coventry, and with there being less clubs in a radius of our area than in comparison to Coventry's - that also pays a part.

Also - if we're comparing currents, we have a billionaire owner, and Coventry are a financial mess, and are constantly at war with their owners, and have been for a fair few years.

One: Manchester City don't own there stadium either
Two: We averaged 9,332 this season, 9,999 since the Ricoh return.


Come back at me with something other than potential, then maybe you will have a solid ground to build a case from.

 

[JJH]

So if Bury owned their ground but Man United didn't own Old Trafford then Bury are bigger? Right, ok.

A bigger fanbase, you are taking the piss right? Would you ever get 32k for a JPT semi final? Probably not. You couldn't even sell 2,000 for Chesterfield.

And again. Reading have a billionaire owner. Everton don't. Are Reading bigger than Everton?

Just shut up and link the fucking thread.

That wasn't my original point was it - the potential that comes with owning a ground is that we make all the revenue, which is key to success in the modern game. And the fact that all the big clubs in the top division own their leagues is probably a point worth noting.

Would we ever get 32k for a JPT semi? No - because that competition wasn't top of our priority list, yet it was yours - which tells it's own story. But still - with having to fork out on new ST's, and various away days up North in this c*** of a league, we still sold 43,000 tickets for Wembley - which is something Coventry wouldn't given the circumstances.

We have a bigger fanbase currently, and a potentially bigger fanbase further, just because of the catchment area, and the size of the City.

Ah - but Everton aren't a financial mess, and are getting revenue from Home Attendances, uses of the ground etc, and are bringing in money. Completely different kettle of fish.

 

[JJH]

Fuck sake. Bristol City. I knew things were bad but when we get compared to Bristol City we've reached the lowest of our cycle

I find it fairly embarrassing trying to have this discussion with a fan of a club who don't own their ground, are financially a fucking state, haven't won anything significant for a very long time - but still think they're the dogs bollocks.

Quite amusing.

 

[JJH]

We wouldn't know because we spent most of our recent history in the top divisions mate. Try it one day.

'Most of our recent history in the top divisions' - are you on trial as a Comedian? Because I'd hand you the job on a plate right now if I were looking for one.

Also - THE LINK TO THE THREAD PLEASE!

 

[UTS]

When Bury won the FA cup in 1900 and 1903, we were a bigger club than both Man City and Man U... Are we today? No of course not..

Why? Because football moves on... Clubs get replaced as time goes on.. Coventry have been replaced and are no longer a massive club.

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

Just shut up and link the fucking thread.

That wasn't my original point was it - the potential that comes with owning a ground is that we make all the revenue, which is key to success in the modern game. And the fact that all the big clubs in the top division own their leagues is probably a point worth noting.

Would we ever get 32k for a JPT semi? No - because that competition wasn't top of our priority list, yet it was yours - which tells it's own story. But still - with having to fork out on new ST's, and various away days up North in this c*** of a league, we still sold 43,000 tickets for Wembley - which is something Coventry wouldn't given the circumstances.

We have a bigger fanbase currently, and a potentially bigger fanbase further, just because of the catchment area, and the size of the City.

Ah - but Everton aren't a financial mess, and are getting revenue from Home Attendances, uses of the ground etc, and are bringing in money. Completely different kettle of fish.

The competition clearly wasn't our priority, more top quality baiting there.

And how sure are you sure we wouldn't sell 43k given we sold 32k for the area final? Something you've admitted you couldn't do.

 

[Scumarmy.]

Coventry averaged less than us this season /thread.

 

[JJH]

One: Manchester City don't own there stadium either
Two: We averaged 9,332 this season, 9,999 since the Ricoh return.


Come back at me with something other than potential, then maybe you will have a solid ground to build a case from.

Ah - I'd have to go through old dusty piles of books stored away in my Great Great Grandfathers attic to find the last time we had an average of below 10,000 at Home in the league in this Division.

 

[Dion'sHead]

Just shut up and link the fucking thread.

That wasn't my original point was it - the potential that comes with owning a ground is that we make all the revenue, which is key to success in the modern game. And the fact that all the big clubs in the top division own their leagues is probably a point worth noting.

Would we ever get 32k for a JPT semi? No - because that competition wasn't top of our priority list, yet it was yours - which tells it's own story. But still - with having to fork out on new ST's, and various away days up North in this c*** of a league, we still sold 43,000 tickets for Wembley - which is something Coventry wouldn't given the circumstances.

We have a bigger fanbase currently, and a potentially bigger fanbase further, just because of the catchment area, and the size of the City.

Ah - but Everton aren't a financial mess, and are getting revenue from Home Attendances, uses of the ground etc, and are bringing in money. Completely different kettle of fish.

I can't link the thread because when I try to do so it says I don't have the privelleges.

So potential bla bla bla. Come back when your clubs actually done anything of note and will be remembered by?

Imagine you in a job interview.

Interviewer: So what's your past experience in this field of work?

Errrr, got none. I've got potential though.

 

[Dion'sHead]

I find it fairly embarrassing trying to have this discussion with a fan of a club who don't own their ground, are financially a fucking state, haven't won anything significant for a very long time - but still think they're the dogs bollocks.

Quite amusing.

You haven't won anything significant in your entire history. How does that feel?

 

[JJH]

I can't link the thread because when I try to do so it says I don't have the privelleges.

So potential bla bla bla. Come back when your clubs actually done anything of note and will be remembered by?

Imagine you in a job interview.

Interviewer: So what's your past experience in this field of work?

Errrr, got none. I've got potential though.

PM works, like I previously said. Chop chop.

And what would yours be like?

'I haven't done anything substantial for many years, but back in medieval times I was excellent and well known in this profession!'

 

[Dion'sHead]

Ah - I'd have to go through old dusty piles of books stored away in my Great Great Grandfathers attic to find the last time we had an average of below 10,000 at Home in the league in this Division.

Try looking for any meaningful trophies too mate. I'll give you a tip too. That will be very difficult.

 

[JJH]

Coventry averaged less than us this season /thread.

That's a funny stat in itself.

 

[SF_]

The only big club in this league last season was Sheffield United...and they're not massive.