Coronavirus and League 2

[Kenneth E End]

How so? You are in the Championship, and Oxford are doing OK in L1. Granted it can be difficult for some to bounce back, but it is possible.

It only took 5 years and £10m.

 

[Camborne Gills]

We did

I was thinking of examples of teams who are currently higher up the league since returning to the EFL, no offence. I have been to the Memorial twice since you have come back.

 

[Camborne Gills]

It only took 5 years and £10m.

Worth every penny , surely. I don't imagine you would have talking so much about a ground move, if you were still in the NL?

 

[Kenneth E End]

Worth every penny , surely. I don't imagine you would have talking so much about a ground move, if you were still in the NL?

Well I'm not sure we'd even have a club right now if we were still in non league for another 6 years.

 

[longmover]

Disagree with promotions, but a team should not be punished in this situation. Relegation is a hammer blow in any division, but down to non-league is virtual oblivion.

Cheltenham Town came straight back up from the national league

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Disagree with promotions, but a team should not be punished in this situation. Relegation is a hammer blow in any division, but down to non-league is virtual oblivion.

I think several League 2 clubs will be in actual oblivion.

 

[GEORGE]

I was thinking of examples of teams who are currently higher up the league since returning to the EFL, no offence. I have been to the Memorial twice since you have come back.

Yes see what you mean about our ground. Pitch is good though and will have a better one next season. Also starting work on a state of the art training ground today -- God knows where all this money is coming from.

 

[Super_horns]

Didn't really know where to put this but Keith Holl has left Bolton .

 

[Indian Dan]

And tosspot Flitcroft with him

 

[Conker]

And tosspot Flitcroft with him

All he did was leave Swindon, happens all the time, up and down the country, the disdain is bizarre.

 

[T.A]

All he did was leave Swindon, happens all the time, up and down the country, the disdain is bizarre.

Decent coach but he is a tosspot. Don’t think Keith Hill works well at a club that has any high expectations. He just can’t handle criticism one bit.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Lowe did an interview this week where he said the rumour is that the Leagues may start in September. Therefore, he is planning for training to start in mid-July, that there will be pre-season friendlies but no fans. He hopes that if the league does start in September that there will be some fans allowed.

 

[Conker]

Decent coach but he is a tosspot. Don’t think Keith Hill works well at a club that has any high expectations. He just can’t handle criticism one bit.

All ya hear from the *vast majority* of players is they liked him, sure he had his moments - like any human, a few players have geniune reason to be aggy towards him.

but fans at former clubs of his do not, he's a decent bloke overall and his 'tosspot' reputation is unfair - but it's typical football fan behaviour i suppose.

He's a good coach, and somewhere in the english leagues he's gunna fit in well given the chance i reckon.

 

[valefan16]

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/spo...news/port-vale-exploring-plans-league-4230283

Interesting...

 

[Valeite]

The Wembley of the North could finally come into its own with social distancing. In fact we could probably rent it out to clubs with a mickey mouse stadium like say ... Crewe for example as long as we had a deep clean after their games.

 

[valefan16]

The Wembley of the North could finally come into its own with social distancing. In fact we could probably rent it out to clubs with a mickey mouse stadium like say ... Crewe for example as long as we had a deep clean after their games.

They were saying when watching La Liga that they are hoping to get fans back during these fixtures so next month, even if at 10-15% capacity (Eibar will have about 100 fans then!) but its an idea to get some back in.

 

[TimeyWimey]

The Wembley of the North could finally come into its own with social distancing. In fact we could probably rent it out to League One clubs with a mickey mouse stadium like say ... Crewe for example as long as we had a deep clean after their games.

Fixed mate.

 

[Indian Dan]

Are we approaching crunch time regarding clubs survival or have we got through it? Bit of light at the end of the tunnel regarding fans being allowed back - albeit at a reduced rate.

 

[Luke Imp]

Tbh, I think the crunch time is still to come.

End of June/July thing become easier to a point i.e. wage commitments but there'll still be the issue with VAT payments, which were allowed to be deferred, business rates, loan repayments to the EFL (not sure what the terms are on that) and they'll be no solidarity payments because they've been advanced so the can that was kicked down the road a few weeks ago is now coming back in sight IMO.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Yeah I think we’ll see the true effect towards the end of the year if not in 12 months time when stuff like loan repayments come back to bite. I find it hard to believe we’ll have gone 6 (Or more) months without a fan through a turnstile without any repercussions. Clubs can’t stay afloat in normal times.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Tbh, I think the crunch time is still to come.

End of June/July thing become easier to a point i.e. wage commitments but there'll still be the issue with VAT payments, which were allowed to be deferred, business rates, loan repayments to the EFL (not sure what the terms are on that) and they'll be no solidarity payments because they've been advanced so the can that was kicked down the road a few weeks ago is now coming back in sight IMO.

I have a feeling the government won't induce a cliff edge moment and will provide further relief down the line.

 

[AdamStag]

Decent coach but he is a tosspot. Don’t think Keith Hill works well at a club that has any high expectations. He just can’t handle criticism one bit.

He’s a washout, cracks under pressure.

Everything the bury and Swindon fans said about him came true, from the cracking under pressure, to playing odd formations and players out of position - him doing so at MK dons, like our biggest game in years still sticks now.

What I wouldn’t agree with is him being a tosspot, passed by a few times and seemed a cheerful chap and the ticket office ladies spoke highly of him.

Played some of the best football I’ve seen, but I wouldn’t want to get stuck with him in a battle.

 

[Indian Dan]

We’re getting presented with the L2 trophy this afternoon. Wonder if Power will be there? Dion Donohue is!

 

[Boletus Edulis]

We had another online fans forum today with our owner, CEO and Ryan Lowe. A lot of the answers began with we are planning a number of scenarios, so they could not always give precise answers. However, some key points:
- they are being led to believe that football is planning to start end of September (this is back a couple of weeks from when Lowe spoke about it a few weeks back when the 12th was the date)
- they don’t know if this will be behind closed doors or not.
- if there are fans capacity will be very specific to each ground based on factors such as ingress/egress, concessions or not and toilets etc. But they expect capacity will be in the 20-50 per cent range
- our owner thinks it is very foolish to be offering long term contracts at the moment, unless the owner and not the club has the money.
- players are getting money upto end of July, they then expect there to be more business as players receive no more money
- our owner said that there will be some very good players available at very good prices
- they expect no one at our level to be buying players
- on salary cap they want this to be linked to resources, but they also accept that they want there to be other clubs to play. They did not stress this too much, but throughout I really got the sense they thought there are some clubs in very series likelihood of going bankrupt ( and they did use the word bankruptcy).
- both Lowe and our owner were rooting for Exeter on Monday.

 

[Luke Imp]

He's in for a shock if he thinks no-one in L1 will be buying players.

 

[Luke Imp]

Put this in L1 but it's applicable here as well. Shrewsbury suggesting playing Leasing Cup games first.

Shrewsbury's interesting proposed change to season start date with fans to return in October

EFL clubs are set to meet this week to discuss the season start date, but the government's plans for letting fans back in stadia might complicate things

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Put this in L1 but it's applicable here as well. Shrewsbury suggesting playing Leasing Cup games first.

Shrewsbury's interesting proposed change to season start date with fans to return in October

EFL clubs are set to meet this week to discuss the season start date, but the government's plans for letting fans back in stadia might complicate things

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

WTF is the Leasing Cup? Is this the thing with under-23 teams in it? Get it binned.

 

[Luke Imp]

WTF is the Leasing Cup? Is this the thing with under-23 teams in it? Get it binned.

Yeah, EFL Cup I think it's called now? Can never keep up with all the names it gets.

It'll not disappear, you get £20k (or £30k?) for just taking part and prize money each game so it's another revenue stream when things are tight as it is.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Yeah, EFL Cup I think it's called now? Can never keep up with all the names it gets.

It'll not disappear, you get £20k (or £30k?) for just taking part and prize money each game so it's another revenue stream when things are tight as it is.

Just realised, we don't have a reserve team - do we still have to field a strong side in the weird Lancashire FA regional cup? Those competitions surely have to have a year out.

 

[valefan16]

Just realised, we don't have a reserve team - do we still have to field a strong side in the weird Lancashire FA regional cup? Those competitions surely have to have a year out.

No idea on that but in the leasing you just play fringe players in most cases so usually 6 or 7 from the league games.

It is not a bad suggestion from the Salop though and would allow pilot matches before the real business starts.

In theory does L1 or 2 have to finish that early anyway, surely even if the play off final was the week before the Euros in early June and played at Villa Park or Old Trafford if Wembley has to focus on that.