Coronavirus

[OneDecentLester]

If a business doesn't need certain employees to function at the moment then they put them on furlough. The argument is why should a football be club be any different any other type of company. If the options are furlough, or take out a loan to pay employees you don't need then spend years paying the loan back, then it's a no-brainer. If the season gets cancelled as it should do then every club will do this and it won't be seen as a problem.

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[Who Needs Mourinho]

If a business doesn't need certain employees to function at the moment then they put them on furlough. The argument is why should a football be club be any different any other type of company. If the options are furlough, or take out a loan to pay employees you don't need then spend years paying the loan back, then it's a no-brainer. If the season gets cancelled as it should do then every club will do this and it won't be seen as a problem.

Furlough is for financial issues relating to Covid not so Chesterfield can bring in a load of players and get rid of their bad signings off the wage bill.

If they hadn’t made so many new signings including paying fees or they were putting players who were first choice who they simply couldn’t afford onto furlough because otherwise they felt the club’s future was in danger then fair enough but neither of those cases apply. They are using furlough to make signings they can’t afford and try and get promotion - whether it’s against the law or not it’s wrong just like the way the grants were handed out.

 

[OneDecentLester]

Furlough is for financial issues relating to Covid not so Chesterfield can bring in a load of players and get rid of their bad signings off the wage bill.

If they hadn’t made so many new signings including paying fees or they were putting players who were first choice who they simply couldn’t afford onto furlough because otherwise they felt the club’s future was in danger then fair enough but neither of those cases apply. They are using furlough to make signings they can’t afford and try and get promotion - whether it’s against the law or not it’s wrong just like the way the grants were handed out.

Just had confirmation from the club that were to retract our statement immediately and back track on the furloughing of players because ‘who knows mourinho’ thinks it’s ‘wrong’...

In all seriousness though, from the statement the club posted on the website, it alludes to the fact that NLN/NLS being suspended is the reason for us taking these steps. Therefore, I think it’s fair to say the players we had out on loan in these leagues are the ones which will be heading onto the furlough scheme. If that’s the case, then that’s clearly a direct result of Covid having implicated our finances further, as these players may have been having their wages covered by the NLN/NLS clubs they were out on loan at... something that we would have budgeted for when assessing which players we could afford to bring in. If these players that were out on loan have now had to come back due to step 2 being suspended, and with us then presumably having to start paying them again, then this would evidently increase our wage bill to a point that would be deemed over budget and may be considered as not being sustainable. This of course would be through no fault of our own as we’d already shipped these guys out to make way for others coming in (I’m talking about the likes of Sharman, McKay, Butterfield, Rawson etc..)?

Now if all that is the case^^, then I’d say we have a very fair and understandable reason to utilise the scheme in the way that it is intended to be used, because we’d not only be protecting the future of the club, but also the individuals involved as they’ll still be receiving their full pay packet each month which they may not have received had we not been able to afford it should the scheme not have been utilised!??

On another note though, wtf is this random anger from Stockport fans all about anyway? Gonna end up looking a little bit daft if news breaks that your lot are one of the clubs that are also doing a similar thing or if you choose to follow our lead aren’t you...

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Just had confirmation from the club that were to retract our statement immediately and back track on the furloughing of players because ‘who knows mourinho’ thinks it’s ‘wrong’...

In all seriousness though, from the statement the club posted on the website, it alludes to the fact that NLN/NLS being suspended is the reason for us taking these steps. Therefore, I think it’s fair to say the players we had out on loan in these leagues are the ones which will be heading onto the furlough scheme. If that’s the case, then that’s clearly a direct result of Covid having implicated our finances further, as these players may have been having their wages covered by the NLN/NLS clubs they were out on loan at... something that we would have budgeted for when assessing which players we could afford to bring in. If these players that were out on loan have now had to come back due to step 2 being suspended, and with us then presumably having to start paying them again, then this would evidently increase our wage bill to a point that would be deemed over budget and may be considered as not being sustainable. This of course would be through no fault of our own as we’d already shipped these guys out to make way for others coming in (I’m talking about the likes of Sharman, McKay, Butterfield, Rawson etc..)?

Now if all that is the case^^, then I’d say we have a very fair and understandable reason to utilise the scheme in the way that it is intended to be used, because we’d not only be protecting the future of the club, but also the individuals involved as they’ll still be receiving their full pay packet each month which they may not have received had we not been able to afford it should the scheme not have been utilised!??

On another note though, wtf is this random anger from Stockport fans all about anyway? Gonna end up looking a little bit daft if news breaks that your lot are one of the clubs that are also doing a similar thing or if you choose to follow our lead aren’t you...

I won’t look daft because I’ve already said I’d be even more disgusted. I wouldn’t look to make excuses like you.

 

[Clem Fandango]

"I was really surprised that these lads became available for furlough. They were on their way to training but turned around on the motorway" etc etc

 

[John Still]

As a matter interest which other clubs are doing it?

Already asked that question but none of them can answer it despite claiming it several times in one page on this thread.

 

[CFC91]

Already asked that question but none of them can answer it despite claiming it several times in one page on this thread.

It’s in the statement theirnis others which I guess was shared during the meetings this week trying to lobby the DCMS. I guess is being first to admit it forces the hand of everyone else.
Be tears strolling down the A6 to Buxton when Stockport come out and admit by the looks of the reaction on here.

 

[Stoney Ground]

I suppose the old ‘we pay your benefits’ chant can come off Furlough.

 

[CFC91]

I don’t mind we’ve done this. We’ve had 5 players out on loan in the NLN who can no longer train or play - perfectly acceptable to furlough them now they’ve had to come back to us and wasn’t part of the budget.

I think their will be one or two more on the list which is where it gets a bit questionable - Boden and Buchanan maybe. Obviously the other option is to release them, which in this current climate making folk redundant isn’t morally right either, so I guess this is the best of both worlds.

We, and many others are owed tens, if not hundreds of thousands by the misallocation of funding by the NL and DCMS and the absolute shitshow they have created. If this is our way of fighting fire with fire to get some of that back then so be it - I’m all for it. We wouldn’t be in this position if both those bodies weren’t so incompetent.

I don’t know what our end game is with coming public - we are either very honest, playing a game or god knows but all become clear. We’re going to get panned being the first out in the open but the statement does suggest many others are it - so a few chucking stones whilst sat in a glass house might look a little silly next week.

 

[CFC91]

I suppose the old ‘we pay your benefits’ chant can come off Furlough.

Where’s those Derbyshire based scabs who were moaning about the takeover saying their tax payers money was being spent by the local councils to buy the club?
I dread to think how they’ve taken this news.

Up the Furlough Blues

 

[CFC91]

Reading a little deeper - it seems our rationale is that a couple of others were due to move on as well as the 4 on loan already in the NLN but this has been stopped by the suspension as those clubs obviously no long want to take on players. Again - I can understand why they furlough these too, they can’t work and we can’t move them on.

It seems going public is potentially our way of shaming certain clubs who are doing this, who also benefitted greatly from the funding saga (I.e got more than they deserved). I can think of Boreham Wood, Solihull etc maybe here.

Shots fired if so, and good on us.

 

[jacobncfc]

If a business doesn't need certain employees to function at the moment then they put them on furlough. The argument is why should a football be club be any different any other type of company.

Because I can’t think of any other job where the company would be putting people on furlough ‘that they don’t need to function at the moment’ whilst simultaneously recruiting other people to do exactly the same job.

 

[SpireiteDan]

I don’t know what our end game is with coming public - we are either very honest, playing a game or god knows but all become clear. We’re going to get panned being the first out in the open but the statement does suggest many others are it - so a few chucking stones whilst sat in a glass house might look a little silly next week.

I don't think we had an end game as such, probably just an attempt by the trust to be open and transparent.

 

[SpireiteDan]

whilst simultaneously recruiting other people to do exactly the same job.

I see what you're getting at but would strongly disagree with that bit from a footballing point of view.....

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

Overreaction much?

Be interesting to see who the other NL clubs are that are doing the exact same thing.

Be quite f

I see what you're getting at but would strongly disagree with that bit from a footballing point of view.....

Send Asante back to us and I will personally see that everyone loves you again. LOL.

 

[SpireiteDan]

Send Asante back to us and I will personally see that everyone loves you again. LOL.

Will you take Jack McKay instead?

He's just as good.......honest!

 

[CFC91]

I see what you're getting at but would strongly disagree with that bit from a footballing point of view.....

It’s obvious we had a plan to bring X and and ship X out.

the X our part has been made unviable by Covid as 4 players out on loan have been unexpectedly returned when the NLN has been suspended and 2 or 3 others who were meant to depart no longer can as their destination club is no longer playing games. Covid has meant they can’t work so we are well within our rights to furlough these players.

I do think their is an end game - if it’s to rat out clubs who are better off then they were before due to getting more grants then deserved who have then gone on to furlough players too then so be it. If it’s to sling mud at the NL/DCMS for messing up the funding distribution so we are short, again so be it.

Still think we are within our means as our recruitment and business plan has been adversely impacted by Covid to the extent that we now have players we didn’t forecast or expect to have.

 

[jacobncfc]

It’s obvious we had a plan to bring X and and ship X out.

the X our part has been made unviable by Covid as 4 players out on loan have been unexpectedly returned when the NLN has been suspended and 2 or 3 others who were meant to depart no longer can as their destination club is no longer playing games. Covid has meant they can’t work so we are well within our rights to furlough these players.

This is pretty tenuous reasoning for players who were already out on loan, it’s ridiculous for someone you maybe could have loaned out to the north.

I would hope that it’s added to the list of things for the league to discuss in the next couple of weeks, anyway, and they put a stop to it.

 

[CFC91]

This is pretty tenuous reasoning for players who were already out on loan, it’s ridiculous for someone you maybe could have loaned out to the north.

I would hope that it’s added to the list of things for the league to discuss in the next couple of weeks, anyway, and they put a stop to it.

Why is it? We had 4 players on loan in the NLN who weren’t part of the plans, budgets etc who have now been returned to us because of Covid. Their is no ‘work’ for them due to Covid and we didn’t plan to have them around. That is exactly what furlough is for.

As for the ones due to leave - again if they were leaving 2 weeks ago but the deal fell through once the plug was pulled on NLN we are well within our rights as we have been directly impacted by Covid. Also exactly what furlough for.

 

[Swedes]

Because I can’t think of any other job where the company would be putting people on furlough ‘that they don’t need to function at the moment’ whilst simultaneously recruiting other people to do exactly the same job.

Have Chesterfield actually signed anyone since they put these players on furlough? If so, or if they do, then they should quite rightly end up in trouble for it, if not they've actually done nothing wrong.

 

[jacobncfc]

Why is it? We had 4 players on loan in the NLN who weren’t part of the plans, budgets etc who have now been returned to us because of Covid. Their is no ‘work’ for them due to Covid and we didn’t plan to have them around. That is exactly what furlough is for.

As for the ones due to leave - again if they were leaving 2 weeks ago but the deal fell through once the plug was pulled on NLN we are well within our rights as we have been directly impacted by Covid. Also exactly what furlough for.

Well, I suppose we’ll what happens if the NLN comes back..

May also have been a good idea to try and explain this in your statement, if it’s true, rather than basically just saying ‘we’ve furloughed the players our manager doesn’t want any more’.

 

[EnglishRed]

Already asked that question but none of them can answer it despite claiming it several times in one page on this thread.

Surely people would know if they had first team players who weren't involved, weren't training etc, I know we haven't done it.

Chesterfield have a squad of 35 players dont they? I'm not sure anyone elses is anywhere near as big. Maybe Notts County?

 

[jacobncfc]

Surely people would know if they had first team players who weren't involved, weren't training etc, I know we haven't done it.

Chesterfield have a squad of 35 players dont they? I'm not sure anyone elses is anywhere near as big. Maybe Notts County?

We’ve got 21, I think. Everyone who is fit has been in a squad in the last week, so it’s not us.

I’d assume it’s more likely to be the struggling teams or those with new managers who’ve brought in their own players. Barnet seem an obvious one.

 

[doveranddover]

The lack of leagues below must be holding us back.
We can't get rid of any of the dross [probably to the Ryman Leagues, not NLS] to free up for new players & the club doesn't seem to be able to afford to release/pay off anyone either

 

[Darlofan97]

I don’t know what is worse, Chesterfield actually doing this or the embarrassing scraping around on this topic to justify it.

It appears the moral compass goes out the window in football, or at least it does when it’s your club involved.

It’s a huge abuse of the furlough scheme and I cannot believe Chesterfield have publicly admitted to it.

 

[John Still]

Surely people would know if they had first team players who weren't involved, weren't training etc, I know we haven't done it.

Chesterfield have a squad of 35 players dont they? I'm not sure anyone elses is anywhere near as big. Maybe Notts County?

We’ve definitely not done it, I have had a dig at our club for signing another player yet begging for bailouts absolutely disgusting. Chesterfield have a huge squad as per our programme yesterday.

 

[TheShayWay]

Do you think Chesterfield might have done this to show the Government what would happen if they didn't change their stance.

My opinion on the Situation would change if they have done this for the good of the league as opposed to just trying to clear their wages a little bit..

The timing just seems too convenient to me the week before a vote

 

[Minstermen central]

Chesterfield are totally taking the piss and should be embarrassed,Clubs are desperately trying to keep this season going and this will put a massive spanner in the works.
Beginning to hate the whole system from furloughing reserve players to refusing to play.
All fans want to do is watch your club even on a stream on Saturday not the shit premier league.
Post earlier said Boden & another loan to NLN fell through,Boden for instance is on massive money and who could afford seen has half the league are refusing to play,if he had of gone on loan Chesterfield would have had to cover more than 20% furlough money.York are the richest club in league but just signed 2 strikers two weeks ago,Boston have loads of strikers so only other club with enough money is Flyde and they haven’t even released if they want to carry on.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Chesterfield are totally taking the piss and should be embarrassed,Clubs are desperately trying to keep this season going and this will put a massive spanner in the works.
Beginning to hate the whole system from furloughing reserve players to refusing to play.
All fans want to do is watch your club even on a stream on Saturday not the shit premier league.
Post earlier said Boden & another loan to NLN fell through,Boden for instance is on massive money and who could afford seen has half the league are refusing to play,if he had of gone on loan Chesterfield would have had to cover more than 20% furlough money.York are the richest club in league but just signed 2 strikers two weeks ago,Boston have loads of strikers so only other club with enough money is Flyde and they haven’t even released if they want to carry on.

Fylde deffo want to carry on

 

[PuB]

If a premier league club tried that there would be 100% outrage about it, especially from lower league clubs.

Fairly sure the players involved would have a case for constructive dismissal too.