Coronavirus

[PuB]

Just going to pop this here for the spoilt generation in comfy isolation to have a read.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

 

[Aberstone]

Just going to pop this here for the spoilt generation in comfy isolation to have a read.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

Just finished reading that and I've got to say that was some fantastic objective journalism from the Sydney Morning Herald (I won't go further into it since I've advocated not trying to bringing this thread into the political quagmire it has somewhat become).

Somewhat off tangent but on Australia though, they've stopped the spread significantly and from what I read online, the public are outraged that the NRL will get to resume on May 28 with state restrictions lifted for players but not for individual members of the public.

Edit: On that latter point it's worth reading on the New Zealand Warriors and them having to be based out of Tamworth, NSW indefinitely with the border closures between Australia and New Zealand. That's one hell of a sacrifice from everybody involved within the club.

 

[chipmunx]

Just finished reading that and I've got to say that was some fantastic objective journalism from the Sydney Morning Herald (I won't go further into it since I've advocated not trying to bringing this thread into the political quagmire it has somewhat become).

Somewhat off tangent but on Australia though, they've stopped the spread significantly and from what I read online, the public are outraged that the NRL will get to resume on May 28 with state restrictions lifted for players but not for individual members of the public.

I wonder how outraged they will get if PL teams play matches there and the public still has restrictions...

 

[Aberstone]

I wonder how outraged they will get if PL teams play matches there and the public still has restrictions...

Fundamental difference I believe is that some form of lockdown restriction will be eased on the public by mid-June when the Premier League hope to resume play again. Also, we don't have state (or in our case county) border restrictions in place right now.

You never know, by mid-June, the National League may have determined the outcome on the leagues for the 2019-20 season...

 

[chipmunx]

Fundamental difference I believe is that some form of lockdown restriction will be eased on the public by mid-June when the Premier League hope to resume play again. Also, we don't have state (or in our case county) border restrictions in place right now.

You never know, by mid-June, the National League may have determined the outcome on the leagues for the 2019-20 season...

yep they might.... mid-June in which year though?

 

[AdamStag]

Just finished reading that and I've got to say that was some fantastic objective journalism from the Sydney Morning Herald (I won't go further into it since I've advocated not trying to bringing this thread into the political quagmire it has somewhat become).

Somewhat off tangent but on Australia though, they've stopped the spread significantly and from what I read online, the public are outraged that the NRL will get to resume on May 28 with state restrictions lifted for players but not for individual members of the public.

Edit: On that latter point it's worth reading on the New Zealand Warriors and them having to be based out of Tamworth, NSW indefinitely with the border closures between Australia and New Zealand. That's one hell of a sacrifice from everybody involved within the club.

I think when the dust settles down and more and more effort and time is spent reviewing the governments handling of this virus it’ll become clearly they’ve spectacularly fucked up. Appreciate that statement is hardly reinventing the wheel, but Christ they’ve done a bad job

 

[chipmunx]

I think when the dust settles down and more and more effort and time is spent reviewing the governments handling of this virus it’ll become clearly they’ve spectacularly fucked up. Appreciate that statement is hardly reinventing the wheel, but Christ they’ve done a bad job

other political parties haven't exactly done a great job with other major things in the past - Blair and WMD springs to mind - so there is no guarantee anyone else would have done any better though.

 

[AdamStag]

other political parties haven't exactly done a great job with other major things in the past - Blair and WMD springs to mind - so there is no guarantee anyone else would have done any better though.

My statement isnt politically motivated, I’m pretty centre and open minded and not affiliated to one party.

I agree that labour haven’t exactly been a shining beacon of late, but at the same stage there appears to be many errors made my the government over this

 

[Super_horns]

I wonder how outraged they will get if PL teams play matches there and the public still has restrictions...

There is quite a bit of outrage at the thought of them coming back as it is !

Seems to be ok for Horse racing though - less risk of contact I guess.

However some have says well if we have to go back to work then the footballers should ..

I think they have had a lot of bad PR during all this .. been shown up in some eyes.

Still people will watch the games live or on TV at home or eventually in the pubs !

 

[Stocky]

If we can't play with crowds, there is no motivation for clubs outside the Premier League or big European leagues to play behind closed doors. It's just not feasible, the heart of everything most professional clubs do is based around match day revenue.

Let us know when the scientists (who, after reading this mornings news, seem to be flouting the rules themselves) say we can all go in and watch football matches and then we can start playing again.

 

[Stocky]

Just going to pop this here for the spoilt generation in comfy isolation to have a read.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html

It's not comfy isolation for people if they're losing their jobs, entire income and worried about how they're going to feed their children.

 

[chipmunx]

If we can't play with crowds, there is no motivation for clubs outside the Premier League or big European leagues to play behind closed doors. It's just not feasible, the heart of everything most professional clubs do is based around match day revenue.

Let us know when the scientists (who, after reading this mornings news, seem to be flouting the rules themselves) say we can all go in and watch football matches and then we can start playing again.

IF you take his married lover to the match you'll be fine....

 

[chipmunx]

This taken from a facebook post from the owner of the Barrow Fans Forum - who is a fully qualified serving paramedic;-

So this graph shows Coronavirus infection rates for the entire country broken down to local area.

That big red line? That's Barrow. Our infection rate per 100,000 people is more than 50% HIGHER than anywhere else, more people per 100,000 are infected in Barrow than anywhere in the entire country.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I just posted on the L2 forum an article that states that the L1 and L2 seasons are set to be abandoned "within days".

From the looks of it, null and void is almost certain to be OFF the agenda for the upcoming EFL vote, with owners favouring a weighted PPG system to decide promotion places. Playoffs will be scrapped. Top 3 and Bottom 3 to go up and down in League One and Top 4 and Bottom Side to be go up and down in League Two.

If the National League say they were going to follow the EFLs way, then I think null and void won't be an option down there either. And Stevenage look set to be relegated with null and void off the table, which means the EFL will require two teams up next season...

 

[#Beebot]

I just posted on the L2 forum an article that states that the L1 and L2 seasons are set to be abandoned "within days".

From the looks of it, null and void is almost certain to be OFF the agenda for the upcoming EFL vote, with owners favouring a weighted PPG system to decide promotion places. Playoffs will be scrapped. Top 3 and Bottom 3 to go up and down in League One and Top 4 and Bottom Side to be go up and down in League Two.

If the National League say they were going to follow the EFLs way, then I think null and void won't be an option down there either. And Stevenage look set to be relegated with null and void off the table, which means the EFL will require two teams up next season...

FA going to be made to look very silly for their rushed decision to null and void steps 3 and below.

Sensible decisions get made when you take time and think about stuff, not make snap decisions on one Zoom call.

 

[Super_horns]

Well now the FA don't want to block relegation from the Premier league ..

So why did they for the non leaguers ?

 

[Monkey Tennis]

FA going to be made to look very silly for their rushed decision to null and void steps 3 and below.

Sensible decisions get made when you take time and think about stuff, not make snap decisions on one Zoom call.

Didn't the FA just ratify the decision? I thought it was the non-league system that made the call?

 

[Super_horns]

Maybe but then we had a load of non league clubs crying wolf and taking up legal action about it ..

All seemed rather messy !

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/52160742

The league voted to end the season but the clubs didn't?

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

FA going to be made to look very silly for their rushed decision to null and void steps 3 and below.

Sensible decisions get made when you take time and think about stuff, not make snap decisions on one Zoom call.

Can be solved still. Top teams in Step 3 and the best placed 2nd side could be part of an expanded 24 team NLS and NLN for next campaign, as the NLS and NLN were originally planning...

 

[Fyldefan]

Upon entering Barrow you should be provided with gloves and a mask throughout the year. Virus or no virus. Similar to Blackpool. Just a complete rundown mess

 

[Camborne Gills]

This taken from a facebook post from the owner of the Barrow Fans Forum - who is a fully qualified serving paramedic;-

So this graph shows Coronavirus infection rates for the entire country broken down to local area.

That big red line? That's Barrow. Our infection rate per 100,000 people is more than 50% HIGHER than anywhere else, more people per 100,000 are infected in Barrow than anywhere in the entire country.

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Bloody hell!! Compared to Cornwall that 8x worse.

 

[AdamStag]

It’s interesting though as barrow were always going to come up in my view anyway.

However, what to Harrogate do? It’s obviously right and sensible that they come up but the league won’t allow them up with their pitch will they? Or will they go elsewhere?

 

[Soup Ladle]

It’s interesting though as barrow were always going to come up in my view anyway.

However, what to Harrogate do? It’s obviously right and sensible that they come up but the league won’t allow them up with their pitch will they? Or will they go elsewhere?

They could share with Halifax. Both could play at the same time and the Shay will still only be 1/10th full.

 

[AdamStag]

They could share with Halifax. Both could play at the same time and the Shay will still only be 1/10th full.

I don’t think anyone would want to play there, grim as fuck.

Someone in the league 2 forum stated apparently Harrogate would rip up their pitch, which is fair enough to get promotion.

However, I don’t think they should have to

 

[Soup Ladle]

I don’t think anyone would want to play there, grim as fuck.

Someone in the league 2 forum stated apparently Harrogate would rip up their pitch, which is fair enough to get promotion.

However, I don’t think they should have to

I've heard the same but why shouldn't they have to rip up their pitch?

 

[AdamStag]

I've heard the same but why shouldn't they have to rip up their pitch?

I think they’re a good idea. England have played an international on a 4g pitch, no-one noticed, no-one complained and everyone got on with it.

Given that next season - if/when it happens could be shortened 4g pitches don’t get waterlogged as easily etc and they’re cheaper to run. Mansfield’s pitch was like a paddy field with the weather we had over the winter - it would also improve the quality of football (not hard given how we played this season!)

Given they’re cheaper to operate and also the cost of postponed matches are high for lower league clubs I don’t really see what the issue is with them.

 

[Chief Rocka]

Don't really wanna dog pile on Harrogate but their pitch is one of the many problems with their setup, the facilities for away fans is appalling, the view was atrocious, the ground is slap bang in the middle of the main road in and out of town, it's gridlock at the best of times never mind when an away team brings fans, we had 930 on Boxing Day it was murder getting in.

 

[Soup Ladle]

I think they’re a good idea. England have played an international on a 4g pitch, no-one noticed, no-one complained and everyone got on with it.

Given that next season - if/when it happens could be shortened 4g pitches don’t get waterlogged as easily etc and they’re cheaper to run. Mansfield’s pitch was like a paddy field with the weather we had over the winter - it would also improve the quality of football (not hard given how we played this season!)

Given they’re cheaper to operate and also the cost of postponed matches are high for lower league clubs I don’t really see what the issue is with them.

I also don't have any issue with 4G pitches - I've played on a fair few myself and you can zip the ball around quite nice.

The problem I have is that the game plays quite differently on both surfaces and if you're not at least training on one then the side with the 4G has an advantage. You also need different footwear and stuff, plus I'm not sure they're officially sanctioned/quality verified at higher levels, in this country at least.

 

[AdamStag]

I also don't have any issue with 4G pitches - I've played on a fair few myself and you can zip the ball around quite nice.

The problem I have is that the game plays quite differently on both surfaces and if you're not at least training on one then the side with the 4G has an advantage. You also need different footwear and stuff, plus I'm not sure they're officially sanctioned/quality verified at higher levels, in this country at least.

I’d like to see the FL board think it through again, with 4g pitches it was one of the few occasions I actually agreed with the conference board (which was startling in itself) if you had all league 1, 2 and NL (or the majority) I believe the long term gain would be pretty decent. It won’t happen sadly

 

[slaphead]

The problem I have is that the game plays quite differently on both surfaces and if you're not at least training on one then the side with the 4G has an advantage. You also need different footwear and stuff, plus I'm not sure they're officially sanctioned/quality verified at higher levels, in this country at least.

I don’t buy the advantage argument, they play and train on 4G half the time, but most away games are one grass so they have a disadvantage no? I am neither for or against 4G, but I do believe everyone should play on the same.