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[#Beebot]

I also don't have any issue with 4G pitches - I've played on a fair few myself and you can zip the ball around quite nice.

The problem I have is that the game plays quite differently on both surfaces and if you're not at least training on one then the side with the 4G has an advantage. You also need different footwear and stuff, plus I'm not sure they're officially sanctioned/quality verified at higher levels, in this country at least.

They aren't allowed in the PL or FL but they are allowed by FIFA for use at all levels. Many international teams use them and they are very common in top flights in Scandinavia, Russia etc.

Although some EPL and Champ clubs (and Boreham Wood whose pitch is used by Arsenal U23s and ladies) have hybrid pitches where artificial fibres are implanted in the soil and then grass seed is put in to grow around them. This is very expensive but leads to a higher quality surface than 100% real or 100% artificial grass.

I don’t buy the advantage argument, they play and train on 4G half the time, but most away games are one grass so they have a disadvantage no? I am neither for or against 4G, but I do believe everyone should play on the same.

There's so much variation between pitches already though even where 100% grass is used. Drainage is a massive factor and there are slopes on some pitches too.

There is also huge variation within 3G. Sutton's pitch is awful with an extremely high bounce and plays like a hard tennis court at times. Bromley's is a lot better.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

I don’t buy the advantage argument, they play and train on 4G half the time, but most away games are one grass so they have a disadvantage no? I am neither for or against 4G, but I do believe everyone should play on the same.

But most people will have learnt the game playing on grass - if you have 4G and train on it, you're going to have an advantage over a set of players that play on it once or twice a season.

 

[LongEatonPie]

im sorry and i am still bored of who should, shouldnt go up but why Harrogate? i agree the team in the auto promotion place should go up.
But on a lot of occasions the team top of the playoffs dont go up, thats why they have playoffs!
its only Barrow for me, they cant bring Harrogate into it.

 

[AdamStag]

im sorry and i am still bored of who should, shouldnt go up but why Harrogate? i agree the team in the auto promotion place should go up.
But on a lot of occasions the team top of the playoffs dont go up, thats why they have playoffs!
its only Barrow for me, they cant bring Harrogate into it.

Well the FL idea for league 1 and 2 if it happens is to cancel the season and promote the top side in the playoffs which makes sense - so on that basis I’d assume the conference would do the same - which is obviously Harrogate.

 

[Raymondo316]

Playing on 3G sure as hell didnt give us any advantage when we were in the Conference National or even this season in the South. I've watched many visiting teams play us off the park and use the pitch to their advantage.

Meanwhile we'd just continue playing aimless long ball

 

[Soup Ladle]

Playing on 3G sure as hell didnt give us any advantage when we were in the Conference National or even this season in the South. I've watched many visiting teams play us off the park and use the pitch to their advantage.

Meanwhile we'd just continue playing aimless long ball

Well that's just because you had shit teams, no disrespect intended.

As Monkey Tennis says above.

If you're going to use 3G/4G pitches, it should be uniform across the league.

 

[Soup Ladle]

im sorry and i am still bored of who should, shouldnt go up but why Harrogate? i agree the team in the auto promotion place should go up.
But on a lot of occasions the team top of the playoffs dont go up, thats why they have playoffs!
its only Barrow for me, they cant bring Harrogate into it.

I'm still of the opinion that no one should go up but they're gonna go with that so you just have to suck it up. You'll obliterate this league next season anyway.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

Well the FL idea for league 1 and 2 if it happens is to cancel the season and promote the top side in the playoffs which makes sense - so on that basis I’d assume the conference would do the same - which is obviously Harrogate.

If only our game at Torquay, part of the first set of matches called off due to the virus, had gone ahead and we’d won, we’d have gone second.

Yes, if my Aunty had bollocks etc etc.

 

[Optipez]

If this goes on until Christmas there'll probably be a few bankruptcies in the FL and we'll be invited back to make the numbers up anyway.I
Presuming we don't go bust ourselves.

 

[B2TF]

Have they promoted us yet?

 

[AdamStag]

If only our game at Torquay, part of the first set of matches called off due to the virus, had gone ahead and we’d won, we’d have gone second.

Yes, if my Aunty had bollocks etc etc.

It’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Promotion matters aren’t currently a worry anyway, it’s about staying in business!

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

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It’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Promotion matters aren’t currently a worry anyway, it’s about staying in business!

Yeah, fair enough. I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that regardless of the details of who gets promoted and relegated, clubs should just be mothballed until a vaccine is both found and widely available.

I honestly don’t know the financial implications of that, but anyone who seems to know what they’re talking about thinks football with fans is a long, long way off.

 

[DarkSithLord]

4h

Results now known of National League clubs to end their regulation season. NATIONAL DIVISION Clubs for : 16 Clubs against : 5 No response : 3 NORTH DIVISION Clubs for : 20 Clubs against : 1 No response : 1 SOUTH DIVISION Clubs for : 18 Clubs against :2 No response : 2

 

[doveranddover]

no response?

 

[Chief Rocka]

no response?

Definitely Yeovil after the chairmans comments, Notts maybe? Suppose it became an irrelevance anyway after most had told them For.

 

[MrGloverLover]

Definitely Yeovil after the chairmans comments, Notts maybe? Suppose it became an irrelevance anyway after most had told them For.

Yep, although an abstention rather than no response.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

The way this whole thing has been royally fucked up probably means we won’t get any football this decade, never mind this year.

 

[chipmunx]

The way this whole thing has been royally fucked up probably means we won’t get any football this decade, never mind this year.

for fans of some clubs that might be a relief...

 

[Super_horns]

for fans of some clubs that might be a relief...

I did wonder that when they said "football will boost morale "

Yes if your team wins !

Sure Everton and Man U fans would rather not see Liverpool win the league !

 

[B2TF]

Here's the plan and contingency:

If 2 teams are to go up, Barrow are promoted and the teams placed 2nd to 7th play off as normal.

If only 1 is to go up, Barrow go straight into the final and the other 6 play off as normal with the winner meeting Barrow at Wembley, in a Super Final.

You're welcome.

 

[chipmunx]

Here's the plan and contingency:

If 2 teams are to go up, Barrow are promoted and the teams placed 2nd to 7th play off as normal.

If only 1 is to go up, Barrow go straight into the final and the other 6 play off as normal with the winner meeting Barrow at Wembley, in a Super Final.

You're welcome.

* the format for the play-offs to get a team into the EFL has to be agreed in writing by the EFL in the June before the season starts.. EFL regulation 10.1.3 subclause (iii) - so it's the teams in 2nd to 7th...

10.1.3 Promotion and Relegation between League Two and The National League

(a) At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League, subject to:

(i) such clubs making application for membership of The League in accordance with Regulation 7 and receiving confirmation from The League (or, if applicable, the League Arbitration Panel) that the Club meets the criteria for promotion as set out in Regulations 7 and 8 and this Regulation 9.3;

(ii) The National League immediately accepting the retiring Clubs (pursuant to Regulation 7.7) as full members thereof; and

(iii) the format of the play-off competition (if any) operated by The National League having been approved by the Board in writing by the 30 June prior to the Season in which the play-off competition is to take place.

(b) If any of the foregoing conditions are not met by one or both of the clubs eligible to apply for promotion, the number of Clubs required to retire from League Two may, in the Board’s absolute discretion, be reduced accordingly and no other Clubs from The National League shall be eligible to join The League for the ensuing Season.

(c) Any Club admitted as a Member of The League in accordance with this Regulation 10.1.3 shall have until the 30 April next following their admittance as a Member Club to ensure that the ground at which they play their home games complies with the Admission Criteria set out at Appendix 1.

 

[chipmunx]

by the way for anyone moaning about PPG as an outcome please take a look at the National League rules and regulations and in particular clause 12.2;-

12.2 At the end of the Playing Season of each competition a table will be compiled showing the playing record of each Club in each division of the Competition. The playing record of each Club must include any points deduction made by the Competition or by the FA and in any situation where points per game are calculated the calculation will be made after taking into account the deduction of any such points.
The position of each Club in the table so compiled shall be determined in order with the Club being awarded the highest number of points being first and the Club being awarded the second highest number of points being placed second and so on.

 

[shoddycollins]

by the way for anyone moaning about PPG as an outcome please take a look at the National League rules and regulations and in particular clause 12.2;-

12.2 At the end of the Playing Season of each competition a table will be compiled showing the playing record of each Club in each division of the Competition. The playing record of each Club must include any points deduction made by the Competition or by the FA and in any situation where points per game are calculated the calculation will be made after taking into account the deduction of any such points.
The position of each Club in the table so compiled shall be determined in order with the Club being awarded the highest number of points being first and the Club being awarded the second highest number of points being placed second and so on.

That really means precisely nothing. Having a clause in place for how PPG should be calculated doesn't indicate that it's the preferred way to resolve an incomplete season.

 

[#Beebot]

In the context of the National League rules PPG is only relevant when there is a reprieve due at step 2 (so PPG is used to determine the better team across divisions)

 

[chipmunx]

In the context of the National League rules PPG is only relevant when there is a reprieve due at step 2 (so PPG is used to determine the better team across divisions)

the key bit is what I highlighted "and in any situation where points per game are calculated" - by stating in any situation where PPG is used - but by not listing the situations they have ruled no situation out where they can use PPG. If they had listed 2 or 3 situations but not pandemic then someone might have been able to argue that pandemic wasn't covered - but by being non specific they rule nothing out.

 

[B2TF]

I'm with Chipmunk, the "situtation" is open to interpretation, so unless any specific "situations" have been rules out, i don't see why this rule doesn't apply.

#BarrackRoomLawyer

 

[Soup Ladle]

Pools have launched a boost the budget scheme.

Bearing in mind they haven't yet paid redundancy to staff that they didn't even offer furlough to, I'm swerving this one for now.

Not happy at all with Maguire & Singh at the minute.

 

[Railway Blue]

Pools have launched a boost the budget scheme.

Bearing in mind they haven't yet paid redundancy to staff that they didn't even offer furlough to, I'm swerving this one for now.

Not happy at all with Maguire & Singh at the minute.

You were warned about Maguire ~ he's a wrong un!

 

[Soup Ladle]

You were warned about Maguire ~ he's a wrong un!

Don't see what he offers at all. By all accounts he's bone idle and doesn't reply to emails/calls etc, which explains the general lack of action around the commercial side. Now they're asking the fans to bail them out.

 

[Chief Rocka]

Pools have launched a boost the budget scheme.

Bearing in mind they haven't yet paid redundancy to staff that they didn't even offer furlough to, I'm swerving this one.

I'm in the same boat, this seems really unnecessary and at best lacking in class after the wholesale redundancies at the club, I have no ill will towards anyone wanting to chuck money into it, but I won't be.