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[#Beebot]

If all rules are out the window, the only rule to follow is that of Sporting Integrity.

No brainer. York up. Fylde down. Over 3/4 of season played.

Agree. And you'd have to promote Havant and relegate Ebbsfleet too, though I feel very sorry for the latter.

 

[chipmunx]

Agree. And you'd have to promote Havant and relegate Ebbsfleet too, though I feel very sorry for the latter.

yes - but if the EFL/FA made Tranmere go down they'd make Ebbsfleet go down too.
The big spanner in the works is if Macclesfield come down they could get put in NLN which would save Ebbsfleet.

 

[#Beebot]

it's not that easy as Havant and Waterloovile have a better PPG than York - so it would be them going up if it's just 2 down

2 down is completely unjustifiable. It's 1 or 3.

 

[chipmunx]

2 down is completely unjustifiable. It's 1 or 3.

I agree - i was just pointing out that relegating just Chorley and Fylde wouldn't help york

 

[Stocky]

It's different with Havant IMO. They're suffering from the lack of play-offs just like 3rd, 4th etc in the south but they were stone cold second as it stood, 3 points behind Wealdstone with a game played more.

You can't compare Havant and York PPG's when they're in different divisions.

We shouldn't get too attached to PPG anyway. It's not even that fair when you break it down with what fixtures were left etc. It's passable in this unique situation but once this is all over, the stat/method should be straight in the bin where it belongs and lets hope we never have to drag it out of there for any reason.

 

[chipmunx]

It's different with Havant IMO. They're suffering from the lack of play-offs just like 3rd, 4th etc in the south but they were stone cold second as it stood, 3 points behind Wealdstone with a game played more.

You can't compare Havant and York PPG's when they're in different divisions.

We shouldn't get too attached to PPG anyway. It's not even that fair when you break it down with what fixtures were left etc. It's passable in this unique situation but once this is all over, the stat/method should be straight in the bin where it belongs and lets hope we never have to drag it out of there for any reason.

PPG is mentioned in the NL rules and regulations, unless that changes they'll use it if they can.
But yes i hope it's never needed after this season.

 

[Stocky]

PPG is mentioned in the NL rules and regulations, unless that changes they'll use it if they can.

As I say, it's passable in this situation. But lets not get too hung up on it, particularly when you're comparing teams who have been in different divisions competing against completely different teams all year.

Havant have a shout and I feel for them if no Play-Offs take place but there's no real argument they were on for Play-Offs and not automatic.

York and Kings Lynn situation in the North is much different. York are literally top of the league.

 

[Minstermen central]

What an utter set of bollocks,bad enough PPG but agree that is fairest thing but changing amount of clubs up and down is ridiculous but sums this muppet league.
Hope they get sued.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

because aparrently the option isn't in the rules for NLN or NLS. but is for the NL (in the EFL rules)

Non of what is happening is in the rules. If they wanted to make it happen they could.

 

[BarraMatt]

Two promotion slots are available for the North and South and in the event of a PPG scenario this should absolutely be maintained.

 

[Stocky]

Non of what is happening is in the rules. If they wanted to make it happen they could.

All rules are out of the window. Sporting integrity should be the only objective.

Over 3/4 of a season gone and deciding 23rd should stay up and not to promote one of the teams sitting in 1st in the division below is not the answer.

 

[AJS]

Absolutely ridiculous what has gone on today. For starters, why are they only just finding out now that part-time sport is restricted during lockdown on government advice? They should have looked into that sort of thing weeks/months ago.

So playoffs in step 2 can't be played. Surely that should mean that second in the North and South should come up rather than only one down from the NL. You should reward success, not failure.

Fylde and Ebbsfleet have got away with murder if this proposal goes through. Really feel for the North and South playoff teams. But York and Havant, in particular, have a big right to be really ticked off

Don't get why the National League can't just make a decision off their own accord rather than every little thing going to a vote. Appreciate they can't please everyone but they need to have some balls and just make a final decision and go with it

 

[LongEatonPie]

A little birdy, not sure what breed it is told me. That all the clubs involved in the playoffs in the NL have all voted yes, but, they have been told to go back to their clubs and to think about it!

What does that say to you, I know what it does to me!

 

[Lucky Bobble]

So basically, despite being top of the league when the season ended, we're not only going to be denied promotion, we're going to be denied even the opportunity of promotion (since there are no play-offs). Trust the incompetent pencil-pushing twats of the National League board to propose such an absolute fucking disgrace of a sporting outcome.

I hope we sue them for all they're worth if this gets passed.

Denied a chance of promotion... as are everyone else in the playoffs... I do understand your frustration, but if only one goes up how can it be York and not King's Lynn? (even though if the season had played out I think you would have won! - King's Lynn were collapsing). You simply can't do it on who is top when the league is stopped when the team below you have 2 games in hand. If it were the other way round you'd be screaming for PPG to be the measure.

And I still don't think there is any justification for promoting a second team just because they finished 2nd. The rules are 2nd-7th get a playoff spot. Simple as that. In a big way it would great if you were promoted, because, pending any financial meltdown, I think you'll win the league next year and teams like Brackley simply can't compete with the likes of York, Salford or Stockport - so you out the league could only be to the rest's advantage. But I don't see the integrity in it.

 

[Fyldefan]

We have a game in hand on the team above us and we're 2 points behind. So you cant just say "fylde should be down" where is the sporting integrity in that. 2 games in hand on ebbsfleet. We would more than likely finish 4th from bottom

 

[Fyldefan]

3 points behind ebbsfleet with 2 games in hand and a better goal difference. No way do we finish bottom 2

 

[Raymondo316]

This is turning into a right farce

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271072548973875201

 

[ForzaCounty]

We have a game in hand on the team above us and we're 2 points behind. So you cant just say "fylde should be down" where is the sporting integrity in that. 2 games in hand on ebbsfleet. We would more than likely finish 4th from bottom

PPG keeps Fylde 23rd

Not that it matters really, as stated elsewhere it'll either be one down or (if fairness wins out, and 4 come up) three down. Do you really see your lot finishing, in all probability, above both Maidenhead & Ebbsfleet had the season finished normally?

Edit - just to add to this, Ebbsfleet were 3rd overall in form the last 6 games before lockdown

 

[Master D]

Yeah Ebbsfleet seemed to be winning every week towards the end.

 

[#Beebot]

This is turning into a right farce

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271072548973875201

How on earth is null and void still on the table?

 

[Fyldefan]

PPG keeps Fylde 23rd

Not that it matters really, as stated elsewhere it'll either be one down or (if fairness wins out, and 4 come up) three down. Do you really see your lot finishing, in all probability, above both Maidenhead & Ebbsfleet had the season finished normally?

Edit - just to add to this, Ebbsfleet were 3rd overall in form the last 6 games before lockdown

To be honest no I dont. I'm just clutching at straws. We deserve to go down finishing in the bottom 4. Surely the league cant say now though that 2 or going down. As you said it should be the bottom 4 or nobody

 

[Magpie Mike]

Please don't drag us down with you.
We were safe until that last game which should never have been played anyway.

 

[Raymondo316]

Kings Lynn's owner seems to be implying its pretty much a sure thing that only Wealdstone & his club will be getting promoted & one getting relegated from the National League

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podca...nute-development/id1507650273?i=1000477558511

 

[Pogogacy]

Denied a chance of promotion... as are everyone else in the playoffs... I do understand your frustration, but if only one goes up how can it be York and not King's Lynn? (even though if the season had played out I think you would have won! - King's Lynn were collapsing). You simply can't do it on who is top when the league is stopped when the team below you have 2 games in hand. If it were the other way round you'd be screaming for PPG to be the measure.

But it isn't only one club that goes up. It's two. There are two promotion spaces each from NLN and NLS. Those are the rules that everyone understood and agreed to at the start of the season. I understand that it was also agreed that the second promotion place would be through the play-offs. However, in the event that exceptional circumstances dictate that the play-offs aren't possible through no fault of the competing clubs, you have to ask yourself what's the fairest sporting outcome in those circumstances? It seems obvious to me that you have to honour the existing promotion/relegation spaces (I frankly see no point in even doing PPG otherwise), promote the team in second place and relegate the bottom 3 of the NL. After all, isn't that the entire point of the promotion/relegation system? To reward success and punish failure? We were 80% of the way through the season when the clock was stopped- more than enough time to know who the best and worst teams in each division were, the table doesn’t lie after 35 games.

teams like Brackley simply can't compete with the likes of York, Salford or Stockport - so you out the league could only be to the rest's advantage. But I don't see the integrity in it.

This is true and it’s an excellent argument for playing the play-offs if at all possible. We spend a lot of money to try and go up as champions whereas clubs like Brackley aim for 7th. Those are the rules agreed upon and it’s unfair to penalise Brackley by denying them a shot at promotion when they live within their means and finish in the top 7.

You can accuse me of self-interest but even before this all kicked off today I have always maintained that PPG should be used and the play-offs played and ONLY if that isn’t possible should the top 2 go up automatically (check my post history if you don’t believe me!). I have never said the table should be decided as stands or that we should go up instead of Kings Lynn. I can accept Kings Lynn winning the league on PPG. Yes, there’s a decent chance we might have won the league ahead of them had the season played out, but PPG is the fairest metric to use if you can’t finish the season and they were ahead so that’s fair enough. I can accept us having to go through the play-offs to go up for the reasons stated above. What I can’t accept is the National League coming up with a proposal that sees us having a 0% chance of getting promoted from a league with 2 promotion places despite us being, by any objective metric, one of the top 2 teams in the division all season and actually being top of the league at the time the season stopped. It’s a complete insult to sporting integrity.

 

[Luke Imp]

This is turning into a right farce

https://twitter.com/x/status/1271072548973875201

Not a great deal to vote on for most of the league on that proposal. It's basically Kings Lynn vs everyone else!

 

[Aberstone]

Kings Lynn's owner seems to be implying its pretty much a sure thing that only Wealdstone & his club will be getting promoted & one getting relegated from the National League

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podca...nute-development/id1507650273?i=1000477558511

I'm not celebrating until it's confirmed. I can only echo the sentiments of others above, it's wrong that Havant and York haven't even been given the opportunity to compete in a playoff, let alone be promoted if the playoffs couldn't take place. File the government's ruling on the leagues not being 'elite' and nobody knowing about this until today in the tinpot thread.

This framework I think may have been defeated if null and void had been taken off the table, however with it still being an option, I think the majority of clubs will vote for the National League's proposal.

David Haythornthwaite is one lucky S.O.B

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

Even thou we have scraped into the playoffs for what it’s worth my vote would go to promote the Top two teams from North and South and relegate three from the National league, no solution will be fair and teams are going to feel hard done by but probably the best of a bad deal.

 

[John Still]

20-21 season to start in September, guess it allows for the Virus to really slow down and a full pre-season in August. When you think of how far we’ve come since mid April it kind of makes sense, shame the national league have messed everything else up.

 

[karlready]

20-21 season to start in September, guess it allows for the Virus to really slow down and a full pre-season in August. When you think of how far we’ve come since mid April it kind of makes sense, shame the national league have messed everything else up.

So these 6 squads are complete, in contract, and reasonably match fit we have to assume. 6 pitches playable, and not undergoing drastic maintenance . Where’s the money coming from to stage this nonsense? Only one team will ultimately get anything from it, the rest will be skint. And expected to restart training within a few weeks.
Integrity of the league, my arse.

 

[rudebwoyben]

So these 6 squads are complete, in contract, and reasonably match fit we have to assume. 6 pitches playable, and not undergoing drastic maintenance . Where’s the money coming from to stage this nonsense? Only one team will ultimately get anything from it, the rest will be skint. And expected to restart training within a few weeks.
Integrity of the league, my arse.

4 pitches, not 6 as the 7th and 6th places clubs will not have to play a home match under any circumstances.