European Under 21 Championship

[Stevencc]

Disgraceful defending.

 

[Stevencc]

Shambolic.

 

[TomPNE94]

Chalobah is fucking toilet.

 

[Leewilson]

Wow. The back four have just thrown the tournament away there in 2 minutes.

Oh and Chalobah is utter shit.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Shambolic. Going to be tough now.

 

[Storzy]

Centre backs are all over the place aren't they? Huge gaps between them.

 

[TomPNE94]

Can Moore and Stones not play together? Don't rate Gibson at all.

 

[smat]

The defending for both those goals was crap but England's passing is really dismal. Simple passes being put assertively out of play.

 

[TheWednesday]

Yet again we turn up to an under 21s tournament with a second rate team, and are dumped out early on. Barkley, Wilshere, Chamberlain, and a few others should have been out there.

 

[Dazza]

Chalobah is fucking toilet.

Having seen him at Reading for a spell this season i completely agree with this.Forster-Caskey is also crap.

 

[TomPNE94]

The team we have is more than talented enough to do well though. Ings misses a sitter and a couple of lapses at the back and we are fucked.

"Chalobah's pass goes astray" how many times could he have said that tonight? Fucking useless.

 

[Storzy]

No way should Wilshere be anywhere near this team, same as Stirling. They're first team players and shouldn't be taking the place of someone that would actually gain from the place.

Barkley should be there for sure as he shouldn't in the first team.

 

[Stevencc]

No way should Wilshere be anywhere near this team, same as Stirling. They're first team players and shouldn't be taking the place of someone that would actually gain from the place.

Barkley should be there for sure as he shouldn't in the first team.

William Carvalho has had more senior appearances for Portugal than u21 appearances and he is still playing for his country in this tournament - and doing very well. It's worth sending a few "over qualified" players to try and generate some success and then trying to build on that at all levels in my opinion.

 

[Storzy]

William Carvalho has had more senior appearances for Portugal than u21 appearances and he is still playing for his country in this tournament - and doing very well. It's worth sending a few "over qualified" players to try and generate some success and then trying to build on that at all levels in my opinion.

The best teams at this level Spain and Germany in recent history didn't do that they, or did they? I thought they were made up of young players that had very little senior experience.

If Portugal want to be vain and try and win a youth tournament with senior players let them, we need to focus on developing players that need it. Wilshere is England's best midfielder already, he'd gain very little in this in my opinion.

England's problem is that we over hype everyone and throw them into the first team too soon, we should use the U21s to bed them in much slower than we do.

 

[TheWednesday]

No way should Wilshere be anywhere near this team, same as Stirling. They're first team players and shouldn't be taking the place of someone that would actually gain from the place.

Barkley should be there for sure as he shouldn't in the first team.

What's the point in sending players on that basis? None of these players in the under 21s apart from Harry Kane and Jack Butland will every get close to playing for England. Our senior players would benefit from tournament football and maybe even winning it.

 

[Stevencc]

The best teams at this level Spain and Germany in recent history didn't do that they, or did they? I thought they were made up of young players that had very little senior experience.

If Portugal want to be vain and try and win a youth tournament with senior players let them, we need to focus on developing players that need it. Wilshere is England's best midfielder already, he'd gain very little in this in my opinion.

England's problem is that we over hype everyone and throw them into the first team too soon, we should use the U21s to bed them in much slower than we do.

Spain and Germany have very high quality all over the place at all levels. We aren't comparable to them.

If Wilshere and a couple of other players like him came in and drove England to success do you not think the those senior players, the younger players, the staff and English football as a whole would benefit from that?

I think you are under-valuing the importance of success and building a winning mentality.

 

[Storzy]

What's the point in sending players on that basis? None of these players in the under 21s apart from Harry Kane and Jack Butland will every get close to playing for England. Our senior players would benefit from tournament football and maybe even winning it.

If our young players are never playing for the senior team then we have bigger problems than losing in the group stages of the U21s, also dropping Wilshere and Stirling down won't suddenly make them good enough either will it?

Unless you think England winning this will suddenly make Chalobah a good player either.

 

[WAP]

As soon as we leave our own nation we just don't perform. Kane has had 4/5 good chances this tourny and all have been saved or gone wide, 3 months ago would have scored 2/3 of them.

Don't rate Garbutt or Forster Caskey.

 

[Storzy]

Spain and Germany have very high quality all over the place at all levels. We aren't comparable to them.

If Wilshere and a couple of other players like him came in and drove England to success do you not think the those senior players, the younger players, the staff and English football as a whole would benefit from that?

I think you are under-valuing the importance of success and building a winning mentality.

But they didn't develop that by dropping players from senior level to youth level did they?

I don't think Wilshere would benefit from it, otherwise I wouldn't arguing against him being there, would I? Also Wilshere dropping down doesn't mean we instantly win the tournament either, chances are we'd just to a little better and it'd be a waste of time

The likes of Stones, Barkely, Shaw and Kane should all be here learning to play in the England system (whatever that is) and learning to play alongside each other, so when they are ready to step up to Wilshere and Rooney's level it's an easier transition.

 

[mistermagic]

It's a shame because England did do some nice things this half. Ings' miss was bad but the pass was good, Kane tested the Italian goalie twice and Redmond forced another good save (again, Redmond is so much better in a central position, don't think much of him as a winger).
Italy didn't do much apart from those 2 minutes as Butland was very rarely called into action. Agree that most of the back 4 (Stones looks like a decent CB unlike Gibson and Moore) and both CMs have been bad.
I think Jenkinson has actually had a decent tournament. Wouldn't be surprised to see him earn a few caps with the senior side.

 

[Abertawe]

Absolutely tragic. It was to be expected employing a melon like Southgate though.

 

[Beee]

I'm still struggling to understand why Redmond is just refusing to run at defenders. He's been doing it successfully all season but keeps killing attacks by passing it backwards every time he gets it. Not sure what it is about this tournament that terrifies our players so much.

 

[smat]

Wilshere and Sterling were at the World Cup last summer ffs, they've well and truly graduated from youth level. It'd do them no good at all to play another summer competition.

 

[mistermagic]

Plus, y'know, it's nice to rest every once and a while when you're a pro.

 

[Stevencc]

It's also nice to win stuff occasionally.

 

[Storzy]

It's also nice to win stuff occasionally.

This is what it really comes down I think, people just want England to win the U21s and don't care beyond that.

But be honest had England won the game against Holland when they were in the final, would the likes of Lita and Nugent have gone on to be England regulars?

 

[Stevencc]

This is what it really comes down I think, people just want England to win the U21s and don't care beyond that.

But be honest had England won the game against Holland when they were in the final, would the likes of Lita and Nugent have gone on to be England regulars?

It doesn't end at just winning one tournament, you would hope that the experience of winning a tournament would rub off on the players in a way that might make future success more attainable. It would breed confidence for one thing, which is something English players always seem short on when playing for the national team.

 

[Storzy]

It doesn't end at just winning one tournament, you would hope that the experience of winning a tournament would rub off on the players in a way that might make future success more attainable. It would breed confidence for one thing, which is something English players always seem short on when playing for the national team.

England lack quality more than anything though, that's probably the real reason we struggle, not confidence.

Kane was very selfish there.

 

[Beee]

Fucking abysmal shot from Ings. Get Afobe on now.

 

[Stevencc]

England lack quality more than anything though, that's probably the real reason we struggle and not confidence.

Kane was very selfish there.

I agree with regards to the lack of real quality. I'm just looking for whatever small gains we can possibly get from other means.

Kane passing would be one of those means.