European Union Referendum

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Democracy, eh

Bring back the technocrats!

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Sorry Cornwall, but you're getting well and truly shafted http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry...-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/

 

[SALTIRE]

Well us up here are fucked up the arse by the English again twice in two years so yeah thanks for that. Even living in America seems more pleasurable than staying in this shithole the way things have transpired.

 

[Stevencc]

Well us up here are fucked up the arse by the English again twice in two years so yeah thanks for that. Even living in America seems more pleasurable than staying in this shithole the way things have transpired.

You got fucked in the arse by the Welsh as well.

You whores.

 

[SALTIRE]

You got fucked in the arse by the Welsh as well.

You whores.

They don't count and never have.

 

[Stagat]

Hypothetically if a General Election is called, is there a possibility that a party could be formed with the intention of rejecting the referendum and remaining in the EU regardless? It isn't legally bounding, and presumably it would potentially get ~45% of the vote.

No idea.

Saw this similar but more long-winded theory though from a fellow internet no-mark.

No idea if it's feasible but probably woulda lost the will to live by that point if folk are still talking about it anyway.

 

[Stevencc]

Why can't we all be friends

 

[mnb089mnb]

Well us up here are fucked up the arse by the English again twice in two years so yeah thanks for that. Even living in America seems more pleasurable than staying in this shithole the way things have transpired.

EU is fucking UK in the arse and the English are fucking the Scots in the arse.

Everyone is fucking everyone in the fucking arse.

 

[Aber gas]

Why can't we all be friends

You're still my very good internet pal Steven

 

[Stevencc]

You're still my very good internet pal Steven

You are a good egg, mate.

 

[SALTIRE]

EU is fucking UK in the arse and the English are fucking the Scots in the arse.

Everyone is fucking everyone in the fucking arse.

Someone has to arsefucked I suppose, but to always be on the receiving end it does get sore after a while let alone decades and centuries of it.

 

[Pagnell]

Someone has to arsefucked I suppose, but to always be on the receiving end it does get sore after a while let alone decades and centuries of it.

Speak to Steven. He might be able to recommend some ointment.

 

[SALTIRE]

Speak to Steven. He might be able to recommend some ointment.

Ointment isn't going to fix this its like a burst blood orange back there.

 

[Stevencc]

What an image that is!

 

[Pagnell]

Someone always has to take things too far....

 

[smat]

EU is fucking UK in the arse and the English are fucking the Scots in the arse.

Everyone is fucking everyone in the fucking arse.

Not everyone

 

[SALTIRE]

Boris and Farage have had their way and now there is nothing but shame and hurt.

 

[Murphy]

Haven't been looking through this thread but this surely has huge (as already proven) ramifications for the Labour vote in their traditionally strongest areas. All VERY interesting, so many stories to keep an eye on today it's almost impossible to keep track of it all.

 

[Max]

I am very disappointed, but hopefully magnanimous. I would like to express the following:

• This may not be a bad thing at all. It may be a neutral or good thing. Anything within 5-6% is always going to cause bad feeling and upset.
• There were some fairly good arguments that it would be bad, both long and short term. It was never Leave's job to come up with a positive long-term plan, so they never did. Everyone saying this is fantastic is either, surely, talking out of hope, or on the back of some fag packet workings out that they hope will come to pass. I certainly hope they will.
• David Cameron is not my favourite person, but people rejoicing in his demise won't have any more luck under Johnson, who is the major benefactor here. It cannot be May, as she backed Remain. Gove has always said he doesn't want it, and Johnson would win in a battle with Tory party members.
• We desperately now need a general election.
• I am absolutely fucking sick, at the end of this, of being patronised, talked-down-to, insulted and belittled for being a) 'educated', b) London-based, c) 'liberal'. Congratulations to the winners, but this was not Britain 'making a clear choice' - it was a hodge podge of EU critics, government critics, angry people (who in my humble opinion are misdirecting said anger), protest voters, racists, arch conservatives, people who think they are 'anti-elite' for whatever reason, and gainsayers. To criticise those in charge is healthy, and proper. To blindly oppose all qualified experts, all major parties and most major thinkers BECAUSE they are experts, politicians and famous is just petty, and childish, and unbecoming of Britain. In what follows, we badly need a return to civility, manners, respect, and critical thought (lacking, I will admit, on both sides).
• I would badly like to believe that most people voted out did so with the compassion of Captain Scumbag, who earlier in this thread made some wonderful Leave arguments. But the reality is I have spoken to too many unpleasant people to believe that the majority of Leave opinion was that well-intentioned.

 

[Pagnell]

Talking of Scumbag, I'd like to hear his view today, especially with Cameron resigning and the prospect of Johnson becoming PM within 6 months. He's one of the few Leave supporters I know (albeit not in person) who would have a proper argument for it that wasn't based on bullshit and outright lies.

 

[Blitzballer]

LOL couldn't make this stuff up

http://www.joe.co.uk/news/loads-of-...celand-to-beat-england-in-the-euros-now/68954

 

[Super_horns]

So how do people feel about Boris becoming PM - will he get everyone riding a bike?

 

[Christian Slater]

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Well this has been a fun read.

Still quite shocked and sombre over the whole thing to be honest. It's been a strange day.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

mood^

 

[SALTIRE]

So how do people feel about Boris becoming PM - will he get everyone riding a bike?

Him or Osborne in is making this go from catastrophic to near armageddon.

 

[Stevencc]

So how do people feel about Boris becoming PM - will he get everyone riding a bike?

Yeah - straight off of the nearest cliff.

 

[Max]

Oh, wait, had another thought:

I live on the very edge of London, in commuter-land. I have a mortgage. Increase in interest rate aside (and this will probably happen), I'm pretty fine. I will survive, Gloria Gaynor. I could afford to pay slightly more tax, though I'd rather not. I could afford to pay a slightly higher mortgage rate and food costs, should it come to that. My life is generally fine.

I genuinely feel sorry for those who think Leave will solve their problems. The people that can't get their kids into the right school, the people whose high streets are fucked, the people who don't feel listened to. The angry voters, the Leave lot, the People's Army (thanks Nige). Migration won't fall much. The NHS won't be improved as a result. Give it a couple of years, come back to this, and show us what we've gained. More than annoyed I didn't see my preferred outcome, I'm disappointed at so many people celebrating a false dawn.

 

[TomPNE94]

https://www.facebook.com/josh.currie.988/posts/10154199086441788

Or for the lazy

Hey what's up it's an EU post yeah it's happening shut up and read

It's incredible how much lying the Leave campaign had to do just to convince 50% of people. Seems pretty clear to me that if the electorate were actually well informed, there's no way this would have happened.

The press in this country operate with no responsibility for the consequences of their exaggeration and lies. All they have to do is make something up, slap it on a front cover with a Union Flag drawn behind it, then quietly correct it in a 2*3cm box on page 29 of next week's paper. It's ludicrous. The Sun, Mail, Express, and even the Times and Telegraph occasionally have printed stories which their editors KNOW are false, misleading or exaggerated. They have an utter contempt for true social democracy, and they don't care about your 'sovereignty'. They just want to shock you into buying their paper.

I'm too bloody sick of reading about it now so go research it for yourselves for once. But here are some lies that I've heard, unchallenged, for months now:

- Think we send the EU £350mil a week? That's a LIE.
Even before you take direct government and regional funding into account, the rebate means we never send £350mil in the first place. We also get money from the EU directly to government departments, and deprived areas (large parts of the North East, Cornwall, Northern Ireland and South Wales have received HUGE grants to improve the local economy and tackle unemployment. The EU has helped some of these communities far more than our own government, so to see them vote to leave is baffling.

- Think that leaving will help us 'control our own borders'? LIE. Assuming we'll still be in the Single Market (we bloody well better be) we still have to accept Freedom of Movement. And since we're already not in the Schengen Area, we'll have as much control as we had before anyway. So we still stick to EU laws, only now we have zero say in what those laws are. Good job.

- Think for a second that the Leave leaders are going to spend any saved money on the NHS? Yeah, that's a LIE.
These are the people hellbent on shrinking the state, deregulation and privatisation. We'll never see that money again.

- Think that the EU has paid for companies to move their operations, usually out of the UK, costing us jobs? (I've actually seen this a few times). I can't believe some people think this. Of f**king course this a LIE.
I don't know where to begin. Why the hell would they do that? Who is this mysterious 'they' who hates the UK and wants to hurt our economy anyway? The European Investment Bank sometimes offers out loans to companies (sometimes larger ones like Ford, but usually small to medium enterprises), with the express condition that they be used to increase growth and employment potential. These tend to be focussed on the struggling parts of the EU, like Spain or parts of Poland. Businesses therefore use EIB loans to expand - not replace - operations into those areas.
Companies shutting down operations in the UK is no fault of the EU.

- Think we can have our own say on agriculture and fishing? Oh whaddayaknow that's a LIE.
Again, being in the Single Market means we sign up to EU rules like the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries Policy. And again, we now can't change them, at all.
And by the way, far from destroying the fishing industry, EU regulations have probably saved it. Fish stocks in the North Sea even now are pretty precarious and the expert view is that they'd have crashed completely without fishing quotas. That would mean virtually no fishing industry at all. So that whole flotilla thing on the Thames? That was the most tragic, ironic, maddening thing.

- Concerned about talks about an EU Army? It's going to happen any day now? LIE.
Literally every single member state is opposed to this and only a handful of Eurocrats are really pushing for it. Even if it does eventually happen, are we really so upset about that but not about being in NATO? Or providing UN Peacekeepers? We don't elect representatives to either of those organisations but they directly control our foreign policy. The EU specifically has no say in foreign policy at all.

- Think we're now free to trade with other countries? Think they'll be queuing up? Hahahahahahah what a LIE.
For one thing, our economy is still tied to the European Single Market (whose regulation, again, we now have no say over). That means that any nations will still consider the economies of Europe when dealing with British companies. The governments of the world have also almost unanimously told us they want us to stay. The Commonwealth is a messy, bickering organisation full of countries who don't actually want to do us any favours (see India, South Africa, ). If anything, leaving has jeopardised our existing relationships and torn up favourable treaties; the Tata Steel fiasco is getting worse as I type this. Unless our new best mates are Russia, China and Iran (none of whom are exactly keen on international cooperation), new trade deals are hardly likely to be great for us.

- Think EU regulation is stifling and oppressive? Did you watch Brexit the Movie, for example, which was basically just a manifesto for letting big business do whatever the hell it likes? That was full of LIES.
Brexit the Movie was laughable because the researchers for it did such an awful job that I'm convinced it was just one intern on Google. They claimed there are 109 regulations about pillows in the EU; in fact, there are 109 ever (most of which replace a previous one) which contain the word 'pillow', most of which have nothing to do with actual pillows.

- Think we can stop TTIP if we're not in the EU? What a LIE.
If you think for a second that a Conservative government would do anything to protect worker's rights that the EU wouldn't, you haven't been paying attention for 6 years. I'm scared of TTIP too, but if it goes ahead in the EU, it still affects us (Single Market - are you sensing a theme?). Even if it didn't, do you trust Farage, Johnson and Gove to really look out for British workers on the international stage? You shouldn't.

- Think Turkey are about to join? Heard about those talks happening soon? LIE doesn't cover it.
Turkey applied to join the EU in 1987. Since then, they've failed to reach more than one of the 35 criteria needed to join the EU - a commitment to European science research. EU officials think they might be ready soon in a few financial chapters, and are beginning talks about how Turkey can better meet that check at the end of this month.
So after 30 years, Turkey are 1/35th of the way to joining the EU, and are just about talking about how to get further. Not quite the same thing is it?

Beyond those lies, ask yourselves some questions.
Do you know what the EU Council, Commission and Parliament are, and what they do?
Do you know what aspects of policy the EU controls, and what it doesn't?
Do you know who the UK's Commissioner is?
Do you know how he got that job?
Do you know how an EU law is proposed?
Do you know how it gets passed?
Do you know who your representatives in EU Parliament are?

If you can't answer any of those questions but voted Leave, I don't know what to say.

I don't want to blame the 17 million people who voted Leave. Based on the information given to you, it must have seemed reasonable. But I'm astounded by how little the UK public know about the EU and how it works. I said from the start that if everyone in the UK made an effort to check the sources of the press, to read and research the EU for themselves to make an informed decision, but still voted Leave, I'd have to accept it.

But I can't accept this.

 

[Pagnell]

Gideon as PM would be even worse than Boris.