Everton Appoint Ronald Koeman - 3 year deal

[gjb]

Tuchel or Dyche?
Either of you can have a new job tomorrow....

 

[Pagnell]

"For years we’ve been saying “just think what we could do with money”. Only Everton could spend £150m and be relegation fodder."

I laughed.

 

[SALTIRE]

Aye the Leicester fans (probably started by JimJams) are singing 'all of that money, your going down...'

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

Yes it is.

The German Bundesliga is a better league than the PL, and therefore, German teams perform better in both the CL and EL than PL clubs. Money could be the only possible reason for Hasenhuttl to leave RB Leipzig, although the difference in salary wouldn't be that big.

 

[Abertawe]

The German Bundesliga is a better league than the PL, and therefore, German teams perform better in both the CL and EL than PL clubs. Money could be the only possible reason for Hasenhuttl to leave RB Leipzig, although the difference in salary wouldn't be that big.

That's why Klopp, Pep & Ancelloti all left to join the pl then. England is where its at for managers.

 

[Dirk]

The German Bundesliga is a better league than the PL, and therefore, German teams perform better in both the CL and EL than PL clubs. Money could be the only possible reason for Hasenhuttl to leave RB Leipzig, although the difference in salary wouldn't be that big.

Especially in the 2nd matchday where the 6 German clubs in CL and EL got 6 losses. That can't be matched by the PL clubs
Seriously, this isn't true what you say. The Bundesliga already lost their #2 spot behind LaLiga in UEFA's 5 year valuation to the PL due to this disastrous run at the moment (tbh since the Bayern vs Dortmund Champions League Final in 2013 we're quite shite in Europe).

Nah, the Bundesliga don't perform better than the PL in Europe. Actually only Bayern is capable to match the big guns (although they got hammered at Paris 0-3 and won only against Anderlecht and Celtic (both 3-0). Dortmund embarrassed against Spurs, Hoffenheim against Liverpool (in the CL qualifiers, that's why we have only 3 teams in the CL (and England 5) for the first time in ages).

But this was about Ralf Hasenhüttl and Everton, right? And here you're right: Won't happen. Even when the "PL is where its for the managers" he won't do it. In Leipzig he has a perspective with a young and very talented team. At Everton? Well, there's Anfield nearby that would be the only reason for me to be in Liverpool, watch the Reds. He doesn't even like to eat toffees it is rumoured

 

[SALTIRE]

Yeah he's got a good thing going at Leipzig, why would he want to start all over again at Everton? Leipzig is going places, but Everton?

 

[QPR_Matt]

Big Sam has come out and said he would be interested in the job. Waiting for Harry Redknapp to come out and say he wants it.

 

[St. Juste]

That's why Klopp, Pep & Ancelloti all left to join the pl then. England is where its at for managers.

Left where? Klopp left by "mutual consent" after a disastrous season, Peps contract expired and Ancelotti has managed in every major league around the world.

Bit of desperation creeping in here.

 

[Stevencc]

Yeah, the proud Welshman that (rightly) has a good laugh at England's many failings is really desperate to big up England.

 

[Abertawe]

The PL has José, Klopphead, Conte & Pep yet saying it's the place to be is desperate... What other league can boast as many superstar managers?

 

[Stevencc]

The Scottish Premiership has Rodgers and Coyle.

The big dogs.

 

[Bilo]

The PL has José, Klopphead, Conte & Pep yet saying it's the place to be is desperate... What other league can boast as many superstar managers?

All of whom made their name elsewhere. Which doesn't really go against your line of arguing, however, most managers tend to have 10ish years at the top before they're figured out and most managers will spend the bulk of those years elsewhere, as England and the UK in general can't produce managers for shit.

 

[gjb]

Sky has a report we are about to make an offer for Dyche. Great news.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

The PL has José, Klopphead, Conte & Pep yet saying it's the place to be is desperate... What other league can boast as many superstar managers?

Super star managers just because they are foreigners?

Conte, Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp were all successful outside England before coaching a PL team. In other words: The fact that they work in the PL currently, doesn't say much.

 

[The Mustard Tiger]

The PL has José, Klopphead, Conte & Pep yet saying it's the place to be is desperate... What other league can boast as many superstar managers?

The Chinese League has Villas-Boas, Pellegrini, Scolari and Magath. Make of that what you will.

EDIT: After having a read through, you can add Roger Schmidt and Fabio Capello to that list.

 

[St. Juste]

Yeah, the proud Welshman that (rightly) has a good laugh at England's many failings is really desperate to big up England.

Well, yes, that''s clearly what his post is demonstrating..

He cited two managers who "left" big foreign clubs just to come to the Premier League which factually is not really true at all. Guardiola long insisted he really only wants one contract, and managed in Spain and Germany before ever coming to the Premier League. Klopps final season at Dortmund was a disaster and he left before he was pushed.

The PL has José, Klopphead, Conte & Pep yet saying it's the place to be is desperate... What other league can boast as many superstar managers?

The Chinese league, it seems.

Also, what exactly constitutes a "superstar manager"? Only two of those managers have won Champions League titles, and both have only done so with teams outside of England.

The Scottish Premiership has Rodgers and Coyle.

The big dogs.

Relevance?

 

[Abertawe]

Super star managers just because they are foreigners?

Conte, Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp were all successful outside England before coaching a PL team. In other words: The fact that they work in the PL currently, doesn't say much.

It makes my point exactly. The PL is so mammoth it can pluck the finest talent from around the world on a whim. Other league's can't compete with the PL's pulling power.

Maybe Ralph has half an eye on the Bayern job seeing as Jupp is 72 but to suggest a billionaire backed PL club can't prise away a manager from a club that's not won a serious trophy in the entirety of their history is folly.

 

[Abertawe]

Well, yes, that''s clearly what his post is demonstrating..

He cited two managers who "left" big foreign clubs just to come to the Premier League which factually is not really true at all. Guardiola long insisted he really only wants one contract, and managed in Spain and Germany before ever coming to the Premier League. Klopps final season at Dortmund was a disaster and he left before he was pushed.



The Chinese league, it seems.

Also, what exactly constitutes a "superstar manager"? Only two of those managers have won Champions League titles, and both have only done so with teams outside of England.



Relevance?

What superstar manager's are plying their trade in China? Those listed above are shit.

 

[St. Juste]

It makes my point exactly. The PL is so mammoth it can pluck the finest talent from around the world on a whim. Other league's can't compete with the PL's pulling power.

Maybe Ralph has half an eye on the Bayern job seeing as Jupp is 72 but to suggest a billionaire backed PL club can't prise away a manager from a club that's not won a serious trophy in the entirety of their history is folly.

You will have plenty of examples of it happening, then?

The only one I can really remember is Chelsea taking Ancelotti from AC Milan.

What superstar manager's are plying their trade in China? Those listed above are shit.

This links back to - how do you define superstar managers?

If World Cup winner Scolari is not, and Klopp is, it seems rather inconsistent.

 

[Pagnell]

Sky has a report we are about to make an offer for Dyche. Great news.

An on topic post, quite novel in this thread it seems.

I hope it doesn't happen. Dyche has a great thing going at Burnley, but best of all the club has realistic expectations so he can't really lose. Everton is no longer like that. Thanks to the new owner and additional money to spend, he can't do what Moyes did for years and coast along as a perpetual underdog with a shit attitude. He will need to do things, and quickly. He could well end up as another Koeman and Burnley could struggle to replace him and will be in the Championship within a couple of seasons.

That said, if he does want to improve himself, Everton could be a great stepping stone.

 

[Abertawe]

You will have plenty of examples of it happening, then?

The only one I can really remember is Chelsea taking Ancelotti from AC Milan.



This links back to - how do you define superstar managers?

If World Cup winner Scolari is not, and Klopp is, it seems rather inconsistent.

Superstar manager's don't need to be attached to a club for them to be prised away. When you're on that level you have offers from all over the world on a daily.

Superstar manager's is fairly self explanatory. Compile a poll of supporters from across continental Europe asking them if they'd prefer Klopp or Scolari. The result would be pretty damn conclusive and probably explains why one is in the PL and the other is struggling to breathe in the smog of China.

Are you able to put forward an argument for another league being better or is your mo merely based on trying to draw contradictive technicalities. Like no offence but that's the easiest thing in the world.

 

[Abertawe]

An on topic post, quite novel in this thread it seems.

I hope it doesn't happen. Dyche has a great thing going at Burnley, but best of all the club has realistic expectations so he can't really lose. Everton is no longer like that. Thanks to the new owner and additional money to spend, he can't do what Moyes did for years and coast along as a perpetual underdog with a shit attitude. He will need to do things, and quickly. He could well end up as another Koeman and Burnley could struggle to replace him and will be in the Championship within two seasons.

That said, if he does want to improve himself, Everton could be a great stepping stone.

Stfu

 

[Pagnell]

Stfu

You're only jealous that Swansea don't have what it takes to attract managers of Dyche's quality.

 

[Abertawe]

You're only jealous that Swansea don't have what it takes to attract managers of Dyche's quality.

We've already got a stellar Englishman at the helm and he doesn't sound like he should be managing a rugby league team.

Dyche won't do much for them. Like you say where he's at in his career doesn't fit with what Everton are supposedly aiming for. He's best off at Burnley for a while longer.

 

[The Mustard Tiger]

What superstar manager's are plying their trade in China? Those listed above are shit.

Calling them "shit" is very subjective. But they are names. Klopp isn't doing better than Rodgers did at Liverpool but you'd call him more of a "superstar" manager based on previous achievements.

 

[Gilly?]

Really like Dyche, I'd rather him be England gaffer though.

 

[mistermagic]

Especially in the 2nd matchday where the 6 German clubs in CL and EL got 6 losses. That can't be matched by the PL clubs
Seriously, this isn't true what you say. The Bundesliga already lost their #2 spot behind LaLiga in UEFA's 5 year valuation to the PL due to this disastrous run at the moment (tbh since the Bayern vs Dortmund Champions League Final in 2013 we're quite shite in Europe).

Nah, the Bundesliga don't perform better than the PL in Europe. Actually only Bayern is capable to match the big guns (although they got hammered at Paris 0-3 and won only against Anderlecht and Celtic (both 3-0). Dortmund embarrassed against Spurs, Hoffenheim against Liverpool (in the CL qualifiers, that's why we have only 3 teams in the CL (and England 5) for the first time in ages).

But this was about Ralf Hasenhüttl and Everton, right? And here you're right: Won't happen. Even when the "PL is where its for the managers" he won't do it. In Leipzig he has a perspective with a young and very talented team. At Everton? Well, there's Anfield nearby that would be the only reason for me to be in Liverpool, watch the Reds. He doesn't even like to eat toffees it is rumoured

German football on the whole has had a downward spiral since that CL final in Wembley. Bayern don't need to be particularly good to be top, Dortmund have gone off the boil, Schalke are Schalke while Leverkusen aren't in Europe anymore (but they are having a good season).
I didn't watch the game but we aren't playing that well this season and beating Bayern 3-0 in the CL is a memorable result no matter in which shape or form. Bayern really aren't anything special this season.

 

[Roque Santa Cruz]

It makes my point exactly. The PL is so mammoth it can pluck the finest talent from around the world on a whim. Other league's can't compete with the PL's pulling power.

Money is the only reason why players and managers move to the PL. It's an open secret that the Spanish league is way better than the PL. That's why English clubs aren't very successful in Europe's most important league, while Spanish clubs dominate the CL and Europa League.
By the way: Both Conte and Klopp have not exactly an impressive track record outside their countries. Additionally, at Anfield they aren't pleased with Klopp so far. Guardiola did well at Barcelona and Bayern, which isn't impressive as those clubs are always successful due to their tremendous resources.

 

[Super_horns]

Big Sam wants the job - not sure Everton fans would want him though!

In fact there was one Everton fan in the local yesterday who seemed to be bemoaning the thought of getting a "Burnley cast-off" talking about how much it showed they had sunk...