FA Cup 2021/22

[Soz]

Why is the Angol argument stupid. He is suspended tomorrow because he got sent off after Exeter made their 6th substitution in a game thst has now been declared null and void.

thats why i think its daft.

if the only reason bradford have lost is that they have to play one more game and travel a long way on a tuesday night, its not really a big deal it? and you have had a defeat scratched off your record and are still in the FA cup!

may as well sack the FA cup off entirely if its a punishment to play the games and still be in it.

 

[Devon_Lad]

thats why i think its daft.

if the only reason bradford have lost is that they have to play one more game and travel a long way on a tuesday night, its not really a big deal it? and you have had a defeat scratched off your record and are still in the FA cup!

may as well sack the FA cup off entirely if its a punishment to play the games and still be in it.

I think it's worth actually watching why he was sent off. This was his 7th foul I believe since coming on.

- Skip to 1.05 in the video for the incident. They're more than lucky it was just a second yellow and not a straight red. That's why he's suspended for their game, because he was an absolute moron and on a war path.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

The idea to kick us out is literally laughable. Both teams thought we could use 6 subs. We just tried first, you tried 15 minutes later. The only difference is the officials rejected yours. There is no way in God's name we should be booted out for an officials mistake. If you don't wanna come down and earn some money then just pull out of the competition and don't come down ffs, or play your u18s. Christ you sound fucking tinpot.

Well that’s my opinion you don’t seem to care for anyone else’s opinion on here so it makes me wonder why you seem to spend all day and night posting. If you can’t see the difference between trying to make a sub and failing good for you. As I said I couldn’t of cared less had you just got a fine and carried on to the next round, the most stupid thing is the entire game is null and void except for one thing…

You talk about laughable then say don’t come down like we have a choice

Goos luck for the rest of the season, very boring now for a City fan let alone the neutrals on here.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Well that’s my opinion you don’t seem to care for anyone else’s opinion on here so it makes me wonder why you seem to spend all day and night posting. If you can’t see the difference between trying to make a sub and failing good for you. As I said I couldn’t of cared less had you just got a fine and carried on to the next round, the most stupid thing is the entire game is null and void except for one thing…

You talk about laughable then say don’t come down like we have a choice

Goos luck for the rest of the season, very boring now for a City fan let alone the neutrals on here.

You failed to make the sub due to the officials stopping you. They didn't treat us the same. I'd understand your argument if you went to make a sub and didn't off your own back, but you handed the sub card in and tried to make it. The only difference between what happened was the officials stopped you and didn't stop us. That's evidently on them!

 

[AR27]

I think it's worth actually watching why he was sent off. This was his 7th foul I believe since coming on.

- Skip to 1.05 in the video for the incident. They're more than lucky it was just a second yellow and not a straight red. That's why he's suspended for their game, because he was an absolute moron and on a war path.

Straight red, give over

 

[Soz]

yeah not a straight red but a definite yellow.

 

[Robshep]

To be fair you and Tranmere are monopolising the match day thread

Just trying to show some attacking approach in the hope it catches on with our team.

 

[Robshep]

Straight red, give over

Silly challenge, nothing more.

 

[Robshep]

You were 2-0 down and down to 10 men when you realised you couldn't make your 6th sub up until then it was fair game, they should've just let you bring him on. Stop acting as if you've been bloody hard done by, it's embarrassing. We've been punished, you've got a lifeline. Hey-ho, we go again.

Goals impact the game so they're obviously chalked off as it's being replayed. Angol's studds are still imprinted into Kite's leg no doubt. There's a bit of a difference. Do you really think if a player goes around whacking players and the game gets null and voided he shouldn't be punished? Jesus Christ, listen to yourselves. The yellows remain for both teams, Angol shouldn't have been a twat and fouled our players like 35 times and he wouldn't have been sent off. Simples.

Did Angol foul your players 35 times or 7 times?
Did the additional 28 fouls occur during the time he was walking off the pitch or prior to his involvement in the game, or are you being "economical with the truth".

 

[shoddycollins]

I think it's worth actually watching why he was sent off. This was his 7th foul I believe since coming on.

- Skip to 1.05 in the video for the incident. They're more than lucky it was just a second yellow and not a straight red. That's why he's suspended for their game, because he was an absolute moron and on a war path.

Doesn't look a straight red to me... clumsy, but not particularly reckless or dangerous.

Could understand the suspension standing if it was for violent conduct or something else that arguably brings the game into disrepute such as foul and abusive language; but a second booking, that just seems harsh that you still get suspended despite the game being null and void.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Doesn't look a straight red to me... clumsy, but not particularly reckless or dangerous.

Could understand the suspension standing if it was for violent conduct or something else that arguably brings the game into disrepute such as foul and abusive language; but a second booking, that just seems harsh that you still get suspended despite the game being null and void.

All yellow cards stand - Including the ones for our players. Not sure the issue, even if we disagree about if it should be a red/yellow.

 

[shoddycollins]

All yellow cards stand - Including the ones for our players. Not sure the issue, even if we disagree about if it should be a red/yellow.

Personally I don't think any cards should stand and then if a player had done something particularly bad such as those offences I mentioned, they should be punished seperately (in the same way additional punishments are sometimes handed out following a review).

Exeter picked up 4 yellows in that match, and those could contribute to suspensions (I believe Atangana is now one booking away from one*) so I do take your point that it's not like Angol has been singled out for punishment, I just would scrub the whole lot of them off.

*in fact, the thing I read that said Atangana had picked up 4 yellows this season hadn't been updated for Tuesday's game so does that not now mean he is suspended having picked up his 5th of the season?

 

[Robshep]

Doesn't look a straight red to me... clumsy, but not particularly reckless or dangerous.

Could understand the suspension standing if it was for violent conduct or something else that arguably brings the game into disrepute such as foul and abusive language; but a second booking, that just seems harsh that you still get suspended despite the game being null and void.

That is one of the FA rules that is beyond stupid. Nothing that happens in null and void game should count. If the game didn't happen officially then how can you punish a player for something you have said didn't happen.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Personally I don't think any cards should stand and then if a player had done something particularly bad such as those offences I mentioned, they should be punished seperately (in the same way additional punishments are sometimes handed out following a review).

Exeter picked up 4 yellows in that match, and those could contribute to suspensions (I believe Atangana is now one booking away from one*) so I do take your point that it's not like Angol has been singled out for punishment, I just would scrub the whole lot of them off.

*in fact, the thing I read that said Atangana had picked up 4 yellows this season hadn't been updated for Tuesday's game so does that not now mean he is suspended having picked up his 5th of the season?

Haven't heard of him being suspended but I haven't checked myself, you're the first one to bring it to my attention to be honest.

I think the yellows should absolutely stand. The goals are taken off as the result didn't happen, but the players are booked because of their behaviour which can lead to injuries etc, the player they fouled still remains injured/hurt, so the punishment should also remain. You cannot null and void every aspect of it, it's just the result. Fatigue doesn't go away, injuries don't, and neither should the cards IMO. If all 4 of our yellow cards we got lead to 4 injuries to Bradford players and they were now out for weeks/months, how is it fair none of our players keep their yellow cards for example?

 

[Monkey Tennis]

It's not the game that is null and void (it happened), it's just the result (because that was what was affected by the cock-up) - that's how I understand it anyway. It was the same when the non-leagues were scrapped cos of Covid - the results meant nothing, but all suspensions and fines, goal bonuses etc remained because it all happened. If a player had punched the ref in the Exeter game, would you expect his ban not to happen because it was 'null and void'?

Anyway, clearly Bradford never thought you could use six subs or they would've done it earlier - they had two players with knocks, apparently. But if you see your opponent making six subs, you would probably think "if they're having six, so are we".

Exeter didn't know the rules, clearly the officials did and just lost count. I don't buy it for one second that the ref told the Exeter boss you can make six subs - obviously a breakdown in communications there.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

That is one of the FA rules that is beyond stupid. Nothing that happens in null and void game should count. If the game didn't happen officially then how can you punish a player for something you have said didn't happen.

Does anybody know if both clubs were consulted regarding a reply, And prize monies.

 

[Robshep]

It's not the game that is null and void (it happened), it's just the result (because that was what was affected by the cock-up) - that's how I understand it anyway. It was the same when the non-leagues were scrapped cos of Covid - the results meant nothing, but all suspensions and fines, goal bonuses etc remained because it all happened. If a player had punched the ref in the Exeter game, would you expect his ban not to happen because it was 'null and void'?

Anyway, clearly Bradford never thought you could use six subs or they would've done it earlier - they had two players with knocks, apparently. But if you see your opponent making six subs, you would probably think "if they're having six, so are we".

Exeter didn't know the rules, clearly the officials did and just lost count. I don't buy it for one second that the ref told the Exeter boss you can make six subs - obviously a breakdown in communications there.

One thing that is beyond doubt is that at least one person didn't have a clue what they were doing in a job that they should, something that is very sadly the norm these days.

 

[Soz]

That is one of the FA rules that is beyond stupid. Nothing that happens in null and void game should count. If the game didn't happen officially then how can you punish a player for something you have said didn't happen.

i guess its because it would be even more unfair if someone got sent off for injuring an opposing player only to not face any punishment, or if you get sent off for saying something homophobic or racist or something. can't void that one either for me.

there's nothing they could have done to keep everyone happy in this situation

 

[Devon_Lad]

Anyway, clearly Bradford never thought you could use six subs or they would've done it earlier - they had two players with knocks, apparently. But if you see your opponent making six subs, you would probably think "if they're having six, so are we".

Exeter didn't know the rules, clearly the officials did and just lost count. I don't buy it for one second that the ref told the Exeter boss you can make six subs - obviously a breakdown in communications there.

Bradford were briefed before the game that they could use six subs just like we were, and given the incorrect amount of sub cards as well. The briefing was that a 6th sub can come on if the game went to extra time - Our coaching staff and Matt Taylor queried it throughout and on more than one occasion we were assured we can use 6 - That's why we haven't been booted out. We used our 6th at the start of extra time, Bradford tried to use their 6th when they were 2-0 down and down to 10 men, but the officials by then realised and prevented it (I expect it was mentioned at the HT of ET to them it wasn't allowed when somebody else noticed) They (Bradford) handed their sub card in, the player had an extensive warm up and was stripped to come on and stood by the side of the pitch ready to come on before the fourth official prevented it. Both teams thought we could use 6 subs. The fact that Derek and the entire Bradford bench didn't complain when we brought our 6th on and also tried to do it is evidence of it.

We simply would've been booted out if it was our cock up, but it was the officials.

 

[Indian Dan]

In other news.

We’ve sold out our allocation of 1500 for Walsall. Maybe asking for more.

 

[Robshep]

i guess its because it would be even more unfair if someone got sent off for injuring an opposing player only to not face any punishment, or if you get sent off for saying something homophobic or racist or something. can't void that one either for me.

there's nothing they could have done to keep everyone happy in this situation

As long as a certain Exeter fan is unhappy about something its all good for me.

 

[Robshep]

Bradford were briefed before the game that they could use six subs just like we were, and given the incorrect amount of sub cards as well. The briefing was that a 6th sub can come on if the game went to extra time - Our coaching staff and Matt Taylor queried it throughout and on more than one occasion we were assured we can use 6 - That's why we haven't been booted out. We used our 6th at the start of extra time, Bradford tried to use their 6th when they were 2-0 down and down to 10 men, but the officials by then realised and prevented it (I expect it was mentioned at the HT of ET to them it wasn't allowed when somebody else noticed) They (Bradford) handed their sub card in, the player had an extensive warm up and was stripped to come on and stood by the side of the pitch ready to come on before the fourth official prevented it. Both teams thought we could use 6 subs. The fact that Derek and the entire Bradford bench didn't complain when we brought our 6th on and also tried to do it is evidence of it.

We simply would've been booted out if it was our cock up, but it was the officials.

So what you are saying is that when those in authority make a mistake it is them who should be punished and not the ones who suffer as a consequence of their incompetence. Have i got that right?

 

[Grumpy Grecian]

Re The continuing ECFC BCFC Saga, Exeter have announced:
1. All Bradford fans that attended the aborted game will be entitled to free admission.
2. Although all home fans will have to pay any profits from the fixture will be donated to charity.
Can't say fairer than that in the circumstances I suppose.?

 

[Trapdoor]

All bradford fans who attended are getting free entry to the replayed game.

ECFC are donating any profit made from the game to charity.

 

[Robshep]

All bradford fans who attended are getting free entry to the replayed game.

ECFC are donating any profit made from the game to charity.

Fair enough.

 

[Dan Phillips]

Not getting free travel and/or additional time off work though, are they?

 

[Trapdoor]

Not getting free travel and/or additional time off work though, are they?

Sorry, we should of course be offering to cover their shifts for them as well. Sort it out Taylorthorpe!

 

[Grumpy Grecian]

And pay for the reinstatement of the HS2 eastern leg in time for their journey to be more swift and pleasant.

Shovels out lads...only a week and a bit to get it built for them!

 

[PuB]

Disgusting that no Exeter fans are offering free room and board for the trip

Scum.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

It used to be that in first year Philosophy courses students were asked to discuss “If a tree falls down in a forest and no one has heard it, has a tree fallen down?”

I think this now needs to be “In football if a game is null and void, do yellow and red cards stand?”