Fri & Sat 18th/19th March

[AR27]

Fouled proctor first though no?

I don't think so. But even so the push after the shirt pull is enough to warrant a foul being given.

 

[valefan16]

So yes?

Felt like justice was done when we scored that, songoo fouling proctor who fights him off and tries to get round him. Not sure how that's a Bradford freekick.

Ref was awful though, proctor had nothing all game for very similar situations

Good refereeing. Their lad fouls Procs, the. Procs shoves him off so 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Neither were involved in the goal either. I’d have been seething had it been chalked off.

Sanogo’o looked decent for Morecambe but has had two stinkers against us this season.

Disappointed with their goal mind, it’s a routine save until the deflection but glad we’ve held on with our past record of blowing late leads!

Before Mansfield I said 7 points over each 4 game spell would likely be enough for top
7, and we have 6 from 2 from two very tough assignments, would want more than 1 point from the two home games now though!

1 loss in 13 but just so frustrating a) we managed to lose to Colchester after dominating the play and those games against Rochdale and Harrogate we really should of won.

Wilson seems to be hitting form after his long lay off now coinciding with Proctor as well hopefully we can keep this run going as it’s there for us if we play to our level we have shown for periods this season.

 

[Casey]

Entertaining game at Crawley. Swindon looked the better side for most of the game but we kept plugging away and got our rewards for it.

Francillette lucky not to get a red card for, what looked like, a rash challenge but I was not in the best position to judge.

Jack Payne, of Swindon (there was a Crawley one on the pitch as well), looked a class above everyone else on the pitch but the he started diving and pissed off the ref.

At 1-1 I thought we were just about to get a new one ripped...two or three last ditch blocks and such but suddenly we wander up the other end and score a decent goal, despite the deflection. Swindon come again but we didn't look to be in such trouble and scored another at the death.

Great effort from the Swindon fans. Over a thousand in the ground and pretty noisy at times.

If Crawley had lost that we couldn't have complained but even with a makeshift defence (3 midfielders in the four) we just kept going and deserved something because of that.

Casey

 

[WilsdenBantam]

Good refereeing. Their lad fouls Procs, the. Procs shoves him off so 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Neither were involved in the goal either. I’d have been seething had it been chalked off.

Sanogo’o looked decent for Morecambe but has had two stinkers against us this season.

Disappointed with their goal mind, it’s a routine save until the deflection but glad we’ve held on with our past record of blowing late leads!

Before Mansfield I said 7 points over each 4 game spell would likely be enough for top
7, and we have 6 from 2 from two very tough assignments, would want more than 1 point from the two home games now though!

1 loss in 13 but just so frustrating a) we managed to lose to Colchester after dominating the play and those games against Rochdale and Harrogate we really should of won.

Wilson seems to be hitting form after his long lay off now coinciding with Proctor as well hopefully we can keep this run going as it’s there for us if we play to our level we have shown for periods this season.

Not quite unless ragging someone’s shirt then pushing them to the floor is fair play…

 

[Soz]

Not quite unless ragging someone’s shirt then pushing them to the floor is fair play…
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missed off the bit where songo'o fouls proctor and the bit where he throws himself to the floor there

there's no circumstance where that is a freekick to bradford in my view. it's play on for a freekick to vale.

 

[Ninety Per Cent]

Wasn’t there, sounds like the team wasn’t either

 

[leedsvaliant]

I thought it was a foul, Songo’o has his shirt pulled and then gets pushed over. Regardless though, he's shit and needs sending to Morecambe in the summer. Like you say, new CB to partner Paudie who I hope we can keep, but in truth we need much better fullbacks than Hendrie and Foulds who are ok as backup but nothing more.

Agree on Cook, I like him but we need more mobility.

Proctor's shirt was being pulled before and he was literally shoving Songo'o off him for grabbing hold of shirt. The advantage was played as Songo'o had committed the original foul. Plus, it had zero effect on the goal.

 

[shoddycollins]

Not quite unless ragging someone’s shirt then pushing them to the floor is fair play…
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Someone using screen caps against port vale is an entertaining role reversal

 

[WilsdenBantam]

missed off the bit where songo'o fouls proctor and the bit where he throws himself to the floor there

there's no circumstance where that is a freekick to bradford in my view. it's play on for a freekick to vale.

Your view is very bias haha it was a blatant foul I sit in the kop and watched it unfold. You were worth the victory but to say that’s a legitimate goal is nonsense. How is getting pushed to the floor throwing yourself to the floor, I’ve seen some bias but I think this may take the biscuit. Proctor used to do this sort of thing for us, and gave away fouls regularly.

 

[Soz]

Your view is very bias haha it was a blatant foul I sit in the kop and watched it unfold. You were worth the victory but to say that’s a legitimate goal is nonsense. How is getting pushed to the floor throwing yourself to the floor, I’ve seen some bias but I think this may take the biscuit. Proctor used to do this sort of thing for us, and gave away fouls regularly.

im honestly stunned. any neutrals watched the twitter vid and got any thoughts?

songo'o quite clearly has hold of proctor first. how can you ignore that?

 

[leedsvaliant]

Your view is very bias haha it was a blatant foul I sit in the kop and watched it unfold. You were worth the victory but to say that’s a legitimate goal is nonsense. How is getting pushed to the floor throwing yourself to the floor, I’ve seen some bias but I think this may take the biscuit. Proctor used to do this sort of thing for us, and gave away fouls regularly.

I don't think there's bias. I think you're just blatantly ignoring the foul on Proctor, which occurred first. He's literally shoving Songo'o as in 'get the fuck off me '. Should he just accept someone grabbing hold of his shirt and preventing him from joining the attack?

I think it is you that has the bias issue and I think most neutrals would view it the same.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

im honestly stunned. any neutrals watched the twitter vid and got any thoughts?

songo'o quite clearly has hold of proctor first. how can you ignore that?

He had his arms out as many defenders do when a striker is backing into them, have you ever watched an attacker back into a defender before? And if so does that give them the right to near rip their shirt off and throw them to the ground? We had a defender sent off for throwing someone to the ground at Oldham, granted it shouldn’t have been a red and was overturned but how you can deny it’s a foul is beyond belief.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

I don't think there's bias. I think you're just blatantly ignoring the foul on Proctor, which occurred first. He's literally shoving Songo'o as in 'get the fuck off me '. Should he just accept someone grabbing hold of his shirt and preventing him from joining the attack?

I think it is you that has the bias issue and I think most neutrals would view it the same.

Where’s all this shirt pulling from Songo’o I saw him hold him off which is a regular thing between defenders and attackers in football it doesn’t usually involve an attacker nearly ripping someone’s shirt off and throwing them to the ground though.

 

[leedsvaliant]

Where’s all this shirt pulling from Songo’o I saw him hold him off which is a regular thing between defenders and attackers in football it doesn’t usually involve an attacker nearly ripping someone’s shirt off and throwing them to the ground though.

You can quite clearly see he has hold of his shirt. I'm not going to debate this anymore as even some of your fans said there was no foul.

 

[Fuzzyvalefan]

Sorry Wilsden, you're talking bollocks. They were both tugging and shoving. Proctor was just stronger. Can't recall seeing any protests from your players and there are plenty of fans on your own forum who agree with me. Sour grapes me thinks!

From what I saw today old Stokie reject Hughes has got a big job on his hands.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

You can quite clearly see he has hold of his shirt. I'm not going to debate this anymore as even some of your fans said there was no foul.

Sure they did guessing the weren’t at the game…

 

[WilsdenBantam]

Sorry Wilsden, you're talking bollocks. They were both tugging and shoving. Proctor was just stronger. Can't recall seeing any protests from your players and there are plenty of fans on your own forum who agree with me. Sour grapes me thinks!

Not really I’ve said you deserve the win, where on our forum is everyone agreeing with you I’ve read the thread and can’t see it don’t talk nonsense.

 

[valefan16]

You can quite clearly see he has hold of his shirt. I'm not going to debate this anymore as even some of your fans said there was no foul.

The sky highlights show it clearer but clear foul on Proctor, plus why would Procs make that foul 20 yards behind an attack? Sanogo tried to stop him getting into the attack Procs was just too strong.

Had he done it in isolation yeah it’s a foul and we’d be raging at Proctor for it being so far off the play but as a full incident it’s 6 of one etc.

 

[Chief Rocka]

It's all interpretation innit, is Proctor holding Songo'o shirt before he even receives the ball, looks like it, or is Songo'o holding his arm, also looks like it, could argue it either way, probably both is happening, easier for the ref to just sit on the fence and call it neither way.

No arguments on that second part though, foul all day.

Still, matters not cos it wasn't given

 

[WilsdenBantam]

It's all interpretation innit, is Proctor holding Songo'o shirt before he even receives the ball, looks like it, or is Songo'o holding his arm, also looks like it, could argue it either way, probably both is happening, easier for the ref to just sit on the fence and call it neither way.

No arguments on that second part though, foul all day.

Still, matters not cos it wasn't given

Fair comment from a neutral perspective, even if the shirt pulling was 6 of one the throw to the floor certainly wasn’t can’t remember last time I saw something like that not given and as I said one of our CBS was even sent off the other week for similar although there was a ruck going on around as well and it got rescinded. It’ll be interesting to see if Quest comment on it, if they can be bothered. That said we still shouldn’t have let them score after it happened.

 

[valefan16]

I love the way after shoving off Sanogo realising he hadn’t the pace to now get involved he shoves Garrity who then goes into boost mode!

What a signing Garrity has been! 11 goals from midfield now I think, can’t remember the last time we had a midfielder scoring goals like he has. Conlon got 10 last year but a few were penalties. Oldham fans said he was crap!

That for me is the key change going back to 3-5-2 which has seen the shackles come off as it allows Garrity to do that run into the box from midfield which was stifled in the 2 man midfield system.

Really love this team whatever happens, really in it together, even to the point Conlon and Cass who are injured for the season have been scouting with Cass at Hartlepool midweek keeping that involvement for them.

 

[kieran_vale]

To me I think if the ref had blown for a free kick to us in the first instance I don’t think Bradford could have complained that much. Equally for us to be fair as the two of them were constantly at it with each other all game. I would also say if he had blown for a free kick for the shove I don’t think there’s much to complain about there either. With all that said Wilson still had to take it a good distance and did terrifically as there was a lot of work to do still.

In terms of Proctor it seems since the Crawley game he’s been really spoiling for it with opposition defenders. You love to see that and that’s why Wilson is now really stepping up as he’s not the one being drawn into the physical stuff and can go out and play.

 

[Soz]

to be fair it wasn't the first time Proctor was fouled and got nothing.

 

[Fuzzyvalefan]

Great away day today. 9 points in 8 days and not only are the playoffs back on but automatic is back on. Win on Tuesday and we are 1 point off 3rd with a game in hand. Good game today but we were definitely the better side and thoroughly deserved the win. I also have to say that James Wilson is a fantastic player at this level. He just oozes class and quality. I think i may be ever so slightly in love with him.

 

[Soz]

Great away day today. 9 points in 8 days and not only are the playoffs back on but automatic is back on. Win on Tuesday and we are 1 point off 3rd with a game in hand. Good game today but we were definitely the better side and thoroughly deserved the win. I also have to say that James Wilson is a fantastic player at this level. He just oozes class and quality. I think i may be ever so slightly in love with him.

i'm in love with a man call ben garrity. doesn't so much ooze class, just blood sweat and tears.

must be horrible to play against us at times.

fucking hell, remember when we had pugh tonge and kay in mdifield with anton forrester and tyrone barnett up front.

 

[saddler78]

Very poor today players missing and the ones we have look knackered Flynn has already said he wants a bigger squad next season that said a point away is ok if you are winning at home and we have been.Flynn was pissed off though said we should have seen the game out and got 3 points.

 

[Fuzzyvalefan]

i'm in love with a man call ben garrity. doesn't so much ooze class, just blood sweat and tears.

must be horrible to play against us at times.

fucking hell, remember when we had pugh tonge and kay in mdifield with anton forrester and tyrone barnett up front.

Funny enough I was thinking the very same thing as I was driving back and I recon we had a pretty similar wage budget then too. Just goes to show the difference when u have a proper recruitment team in place. I reckon Garrity is on less than Barnett was.

 

[Agombar stool]

Fair comment from a neutral perspective, even if the shirt pulling was 6 of one the throw to the floor certainly wasn’t can’t remember last time I saw something like that not given and as I said one of our CBS was even sent off the other week for similar although there was a ruck going on around as well and it got rescinded. It’ll be interesting to see if Quest comment on it, if they can be bothered. That said we still shouldn’t have let them score after it happened.

Sutton's goal on Tuesday night came from a free kick where our centre back was thrown to the floor by their striker. I think referees are really struggling to know just who is at fault in these instances. Our big striker Josh Davison seems to get manhandled and fouled game after game but gets little from referees. So he's either trying to make it look like he is being fouled and its being seen through by referees, or referees see what defenders are dishing out is fair. In all honesty it seems like they are guessing half the time but that's a few games now where he gets nothing from referees so I'm wondering about whether he is not very good at it!

 

[Dale4ever]

Absolutely woeful from us again second half, he has no plan b, I’m very much leaning towards wanting him gone now, it’s not good enough being sat 19th with what we have in our squad. On a side positive note, I thought yesterday’s ref was the best I’ve seen all season, refreshing to see a ref actually making correct decisions for once. The only one I didn’t agree on was when we near enough rugby tackled their man when nearly clean through and the ref didn’t see it.

 

[Casey]

that's a few games now where he gets nothing from referees

There are players that I think refs just don't like and players the refs seem to love.

We had a player named Fiston Manuella and he was carded for nearly every foul whether he committed it or it was committed against him. Alternatively, the renowned (sic) Jefferson Louis could assault people and be given a foul in his favour...and yes, he played for Crawley at one point.

It is awkward for refs but I do scratch my head sometimes.

Casey