Is this the way to (Amarillo) relegation?

[BetterCallSaul]

We bought ONE player for money last summer, ONE!! You've been listening to that scouse ponce again haven't you?

So Tomlin is on loan to you for free then?

 

[Ciderup]

So Tomlin is on loan to you for free then?

Never said he was but JET wouldn't have come cheaply either.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I don't doubt, but didn't Kodjia cost you a few million? And you were throwing about £9 million bids in the summer. Robinson has spent something like £600,000 in his entire time here.

That's the difference between us and you.

 

[Ciderup]

I don't doubt, but didn't Kodjia cost you a few million? And you were throwing about £9 million bids in the summer. Robinson has spent something like £600,000 in his entire time here.

That's the difference between us and you.

Kodjia was £2M and a total gamble. PNE haven't spent much, if anything, which negates the money thing. As for facilities, we came up with a building site for a stadium.
A question (good debate BTW), Bolton haven't got a pot to piss in and had to sell their training ground to Wigan to survive. Do you honestly think they won't want to bounce straight back? What's the difference between them and you apart from you're better off?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Preston kept together the majority f their League one squad I believe what we didn't, that squad last season would have kept us up imo.

Bolton will want to bounce back but they would see themselves traditionally as a bigger club (prem/champ club) as it's the only place I've ever seen them play.

We are a league one club, of course we would have ambitions as a club to bounce back but doesn't mean id be over the moon to get promoted.

 

[hodge]

On the finance front, what happened to the fee for Deli Alli? Did that get reimbursed into the squad or did it get used elsewhere within the club? Also any idea what the other clauses attached may have been? Appearances for Spurs, England cap (so potentially more money this season).

 

[Ciderup]

So, Walsall, Burton and Gillingham may as well not bother then? Burton, historically a non league club.
We're not going to agree here bud.

 

[DippyDon]

Bolton will want to go straight back up but I can't see it because of all their financial difficulties, Charlton will have a chance but that depends on what happens behind the scenes as well, we are probably in the best shape to do so, and I don't want it to seem like I've said that all I 100% want to stay down there for eternity, I just believe we'd be better off going forward having the infrastructure in place to be able to compete before we actually make the jump of being a stable championship club.

On the finance front, what happened to the fee for Deli Alli? Did that get reimbursed into the squad or did it get used elsewhere within the club? Also any idea what the other clauses attached may have been? Appearances for Spurs, England cap (so potentially more money this season).

That went on the training ground, £2m on the land I believe and the rest is for the building of the damn thing, that won't happen for a while yet though

 

[BetterCallSaul]

£5 million upfront supposedly what has gone into buying land for new training ground supposedly £2 million and getting rid of debt. Supposedly got £200,000/£250,000 for England appearance and there's rumours of a sell on percentage. But if we don't have one of those we deserve liquidation.

 

[DippyDon]

So, Walsall, Burton and Gillingham may as well not bother then? Burton, historically a non league club.
We're not going to agree here bud.

It depends how you set yourself up, the 3 teams that went up last year want to be Championship clubs year in year out, Yeovil were probably just happy poking their heads through the door for 5 minutes

 

[Ciderup]

Bolton will want to go straight back up but I can't see it because of all their financial difficulties,

I totally agree DD but the highlighted bit is what I have been getting at. I can't understand why BCS wants to stay down, I just don't get it at all bud.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

So, Walsall, Burton and Gillingham may as well not bother then? Burton, historically a non league club.
We're not going to agree here bud.

What don't you agree with? I said our club would have ambitions to go up but so would Bolton...? But I bet Bolton feel they want to get back to their "natural" level so will be a bit more up for it

 

[Madejski]

Easy for you to say though if we're being honest, you can challenge and win games. We don't even put up a fight. Its horrific and we don't have the money to bring in better players to change it.

You got 4 points against us this season, you can challenge. We've only won 4 more games than you this season too. A couple of weeks ago it was only 2 more wins.

We've been shit for the past two seasons, and somehow have avoided relegation in each, but I definitely wouldn't swap that for being say top 6 in League One.

 

[DippyDon]

I totally agree DD but the highlighted bit is what I have been getting at. I can't understand why BCS wants to stay down, I just don't get it at all bud.

It all comes down to what you enjoy, I've not enjoyed this season at all, bar a few moments which is what is making relegation easier to swallow. BCS is in a negative frame of mind about the club anyway, and while I don't speak for him I can see why he thinks that league 1 until we are more than ready is appealing

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I totally agree DD but the highlighted bit is what I have been getting at. I can't understand why BCS wants to stay down, I just don't get it at all bud.

I feel like I've laid out my reasoning quite clearly.

 

[Ciderup]

What don't you agree with? I said our club would have ambitions to go up but so would Bolton...? But I bet Bolton feel they want to get back to their "natural" level so will be a bit more up for it

Wanting to stay down bud, I could NEVER want that.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

You call it wanting to stay down I call it playing at our level

 

[Ciderup]

You call it wanting to stay down I call it playing at our level

As I said previously, why bother at all if playing at 'your level' is the aspiration? Every promoted club takes a few beatings at a higher level, that's the whole idea of promotion to me. You try and survive then move on becoming established at the higher level. If you fail, the aspiration should be to get back ASAP and have another go.
I appreciate your extremely well put explanation but I cannot agree with it WTGR.

 

[hodge]

So, Walsall, Burton and Gillingham may as well not bother then? Burton, historically a non league club.
We're not going to agree here bud.

Leicester may as well not bother in the Prem

 

[Madejski]

The one thing I can agree on is that promotion isn't necessarily a positive (barring the amazing promotion season of course).

I can confidently say that we would be in a better position today had we not got promoted to the Prem in 2012. Crippled us completely.

 

[DippyDon]

I do want to add that our opinion is more than likely going to change once we fully remember that we spent 7 years in League 1 last time around and we carry on having to go to Oldham on a Tuesday night as is the leagues favourite thing to put us through, if that happens again next season (if they stay up) then I'll be back on here asking nicely to just be put back in this league

 

[BetterCallSaul]

As I said previously, why bother at all if playing at 'your level' is the aspiration? Every promoted club takes a few beatings at a higher level, that's the whole idea of promotion to me. You try and survive then move on becoming established at the higher level. If you fail, the aspiration should be to get back ASAP and have another go.
I appreciate your extremely well put explanation but I cannot agree with it WTGR.

It's fair enough but then maybe you should try and see it from my point of view and not and someone looking in. It's all well and good what you say but that's a blanket statement what doesn't apply. We are not ready. Simple as that. The only way we could survive is if we got incredibly lucky with some free transfers and loans.

As a club we genuinely can't become more established and push on. We don't have anything in place and we are underprepared.

I would like to be a championship team, but when the time is right. And it isn't right yet. We are years away, I'm comfortable enough being a league one team until we can get everything in place and then have a budget for the playing squad.

Surely you can see where I'm coming from here? Also, if we stayed up it would only hurt us in the long run I feel as we may overstretch ourselves trying to stay up. Paying more than we can afford on wages. Losing fans as people don't want to see a losing team.

We, as a club, NEED to get everything ready first, desperately. Then we can come back, all guns blazing. Until then we need to coast a little.

 

[Ciderup]

Of course I see your point fella, I just don't agree that staying down gives any particular benefit apart from beating smaller clubs on a regular basis. Wait until you, possibly, see the Mem, you'll be begging the Championship to take you back.
Great debate but I'm off to my pit!

 

[TomPNE94]

You can't choose when you get promoted, it just happens. A few weeks back when we had a slight glimmer of play offs, some of our fans were saying that maybe the team should back off and that Gallagher should go and have the Hernia operation that he needs cos we aren't ready. That's bullshit. The only point of following a football team is that you hope they can be the best team in the world, however unrealistic that aspiration is. If you're happy just plodding along in League One for a few years until you're "ready" then what's actually the point of going to watch them until that time?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Because I enjoy watching us play in league one... I don't go to watch football in the hope we will be the best team in the wod. I go to have fun and enjoy myself.

If you're waiting and hoping for PNE to become the best in the world how could you ever enjoy yourself knowing you never will be?

Football is about more than just being the best. I want to enjoy myself, I know league one and can visit my mates who support league one clubs when we go to their grounds.

I couldn't really give a flying fuck about being a prem/championship team, if anything I don't really want to ever be a prem club. Where's the fun in that? Hoping you can stay up every season? No thanks.

 

[JoshBCFC]

If MK lose then Fulham, Blackburn and us can secure another season in the championship with a win.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

How are Blackburn not safe yet? Flipping hell.

 

[JoshBCFC]

How are Blackburn not safe yet? Flipping hell.

They got dragged into it by a poor run of form of recent, however they should be alright.

 

[Walkley_Owl]

Because I enjoy watching us play in league one... I don't go to watch football in the hope we will be the best team in the wod. I go to have fun and enjoy myself.

If you're waiting and hoping for PNE to become the best in the world how could you ever enjoy yourself knowing you never will be?

Football is about more than just being the best. I want to enjoy myself, I know league one and can visit my mates who support league one clubs when we go to their grounds.

I couldn't really give a flying fuck about being a prem/championship team, if anything I don't really want to ever be a prem club. Where's the fun in that? Hoping you can stay up every season? No thanks.

I truly and honestly do not get your thought process, perhaps because you are younger it's easier to have that mindset but not for me, I've seen my side compete with the best this country has to offer, I've seen us beat Manchester United on numerous occasions, turn Arsenal over time and again, win at Anfield, beat Spurs, humiliate Chelsea and I want to get back to that, as dreamworld as it sounds.

I've endured 16 god awful years outside the top flight with my club and seen the likes of Stoke, West Brom, Reading and even fucking Wigan establish themselves in there, with all due respect to those clubs they're nowhere near the size of us, or Leeds etc I want to stick two fingers up to all the bastards to fans of clubs ranging Rushden and Diamonds to Port Vale who told us "you're not famous anymore" I want to say fuck you to 9 midweek fixtures a season and I want to enjoy my prawn sarnie.

If you don't want to compete you may as well pack up and let a rugby team migrate to Stadium MK

 

[hodge]

Because I enjoy watching us play in league one... I don't go to watch football in the hope we will be the best team in the wod. I go to have fun and enjoy myself.

If you're waiting and hoping for PNE to become the best in the world how could you ever enjoy yourself knowing you never will be?

Football is about more than just being the best. I want to enjoy myself, I know league one and can visit my mates who support league one clubs when we go to their grounds.

I couldn't really give a flying fuck about being a prem/championship team, if anything I don't really want to ever be a prem club. Where's the fun in that? Hoping you can stay up every season? No thanks.

I bet Leicester fans and hell even West Ham fans are glad their clubs aren't content with being lower league teams. If Leicester can do what they're doing why not others? It wasn't that long ago Leicester were in the championship.