Jose Mourinho to replace LVG as Man U manager?

[G-Dragon]

If this continues Robbie might lose his revenue to the United fan channel.

 

[epic73]

That's a fantastic reaction to a draw when the league title is out of reach anyway.

 

[SALTIRE]

If this continues Robbie might lose his revenue to the United fan channel.

This is brilliant,

 

[mistermagic]

That's a fantastic reaction to a draw when the league title is out of reach anyway.

Would you say a top 4 finish is secured then?

 

[epic73]

Would you say a top 4 finish is secured then?

85%.

 

[Pagnell]

It's old news I know but given the money spent United play seriously shit looking football. This Everton game is shite.

 

[SALTIRE]

No doubt Mata will do something then that'll be it.

 

[Pagnell]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42537535

Embarrassing. Another example of Mourinho being a numpty. He's like the Donald Trump of football, any criticism and he's straight on the personal attack. The implication that Scholes is criticising Pogba because he earns more money than he did is truly pathetic.

 

[Bilo]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42537535

Embarrassing. Another example of Mourinho being a numpty. He's like the Donald Trump of football, any criticism and he's straight on the personal attack. The implication that Scholes is criticising Pogba because he earns more money than he did is truly pathetic.

Donald Trump just took credit for there being no commercial flight deaths in 2017 WORLDWIDE. Nobody is like him.

 

[Pagnell]

I don't mean literally of course, I wouldn't even talk about Mourinho in such a manner (sorry Jose). I'm talking purely about an inability to deal with criticism, even if it's constructive.

 

[Pagnell]

"Manchester United playing like a rich man's Stoke." - Oliver Holt.

Nailed it.

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ich-mans-stoke-at-the-moment-says-oliver-holt

 

[Stevencc]

He came across as very bitter during that rant, it was bizarre.

He praised Guardiola and City for losing 4-3 to Liverpool and slagged United and Mourinho off for getting three points against Burnley with a 1-0.

Whatever gets him and his employer clicks and retweets, I suppose.

 

[Pagnell]

I think he's referring to playing style, or perhaps lack of it in United's case. He credits you with being hard to beat, which is true. But he also says the United fans deserve better, and that's difficult to argue with when you look at what you have been used to over the years.

 

[Stevencc]

I value winning above playing style, though I would admit that the ideal would always be to win in style, where possible.

We were spoilt with Fergie, I don't think we should expect that level of success and excitement purely because we are United. City are being spoilt right now but they won't be once PED Roidiola moves on.

Perhaps the signing of Sanchez might give us a bit more swagger in attack, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Pagnell]

I don't think it's too far of a stretch to expect a certain level excitement to go along with winning ways when you have spent what United have. I also don't believe Sanchez will make too much difference in terms of overall style. You will score more goals perhaps, but it won't change the way Mourinho likes his teams to play these days

 

[G.B]

alan hansen's punditry career almost entirely consisted of him uttering the words "playing badly and still winning is what wins you titles" in reference to fergie's man yoo throughout the 90s and 2000s. there's a bit lot of revisionism with regards to saf's teams.

2008/2009 man yoo (probably one of their best teams) won 14 league games by a 1 goal margin. ten 1-0's and four 2-1's. do you think the fans were bothered about their style of play after winning their 3rd title on the bounce and getting to the final of the cl?

getting results is what matters most and, outside of the freakish season city are having, mourinho's side have the best results. the majority i see complaining about their style of play aren't fans of the club and tend to be from merseyside. congrats, liverpool play entertaining suicide football. has it won you anything recently?

 

[Pagnell]

Stevencc sycophant.

You miss the point I was making. Of course winning playing insipid, shite football is better than not winning whilst playing like Barcelona. I simply don't understand why they have to be mutually exclusive, especially with the budget United have, both in terms of what they have to spend and what they have spent.

If the fans are happy then great. I'm less confident than you that that is the case however.

And Liverpool have nothing to do with it.

 

[SALTIRE]

Utd had a style that garnered them great success (and not so) over near 60 years that started with Busby. With the last three managers they have adapted a more pragmatic style that has seen that fabric dwindle away. These things happen (look at Arsenal before Wenger), but it does look like they have lost something in the last few years and Mourinho doesn't help with that. Maybe if they get Poch in after Mou it'll restore that to an extent.

 

[G.B]

Stevencc sycophant.

You miss the point I was making. Of course winning playing insipid, shite football is better than not winning whilst playing like Barcelona. I simply don't understand why they have to be mutually exclusive, especially with the budget United have, both in terms of what they have to spend and what they have spent.

If the fans are happy then great. I'm less confident than you that that is the case however.

And Liverpool have nothing to do with it.

"insipid, shite football". only 2 teams have scored more goals than them this season. only one of them have more points. the other has scored 5 more but conceded 12 more goals. they're not mutually exclusive at all, and they've played some excellent football this season.

the fans are more than likely happy with 2 major trophies from the managers first season, yes. i'd assume they're also happy with the vast improvement in league position from previous years.

liverpool are a good comparison, are they not? considered to be the leagues most entertaining side after city, and also mourinho's/man utd's biggest and most vocal critics. their apparently entertaining style has gotten them an inferior goal difference, 6 fewer points and no silverware to this point. would you trade places?

 

[SALTIRE]

Why are you always keen to turn this into another Man Utd/Liverpool debate G.B?

 

[G.B]

because it's entirely relevant to the subject, especially given pags continued criticism of man utd and mourinho. don't get me wrong, if you completely ignore the facts and statistics and/or are very selective with their results and history under previous management, then i think he makes some great points.

 

[SALTIRE]

Ok I'll let you and Pags battle this out, I can't be arsed tonight.

 

[Pagnell]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43451782

It really is little wonder he's not known for promoting stability and harmony and hasn't been at any team long term. You read shit like this and what happened at Chelsea comes as no surprise. You also have to ask how long before the same happens at United, or perhaps even ask if it's already started.

 

[Kyle Hatch]

I certainly find Jose's public comments annoying, if it was a last resort then perhaps, but i prefere to have the united front and words behind closed doors.

A similar bit here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43464951 scroll down to the section
'Shaw needs a cuddle - and then a dig', his old coach basically saying the same as reports from the manchester evening news earlier in the season that said Shaw was lazy and didn't want to try, expected to be in the team. He was asked over the summer to get fitter. I understand he's struggled with injury and Jose certainly isn't cutting him a break, but i don't think in this case it's as one sided as you mention.

Two interesting examples, Mikhaterian was called out last season, picked up briefly before falling away, was swapped for Sanchez. Didn't work.

Martial was called out last season and has had a great return this year and looks a more complete player. Public berating does work for some players, some pull there finger out, some need an arm around and confidence built, i don't think that's Jose style and he won't work for Shaw without Shaw working for himself first.

I still have hope for Shaw, there is a quality player in there, but when you watch him off the ball he seems lazy and is often out of position, his pace allowing him to get back in. Be interesting to see if he's still here next year, i doubt it, unless he's been told to hang on to on a free next year.

 

[G.B]

Pochettino and LVG both criticised him publicly too, but the media reaction was very different. Same problems Mourinho has with him, lack of fitness, lack of application and a poor attitude. At some point questions have to be asked of the player, though I understand the anti Mourinho narrative is all the rage with the press and pundits atm, so they'll jump on anything right now. I've seen people calling it bullying which is just hilarious. There's plenty to criticise Mourinho over but Luke Shaw being a confirmed waster doesn't seem to be one of them imo.

Nowt wrong with having a go at players though. Closer to home we've seen Rafa do it with Shelvey and Mitrovic recently. Shelvey took it on board, got his head down and showed great improvements, Mitrovic did the opposite and was told to fuck off.

 

[Stevencc]

*Whispers*

I'm getting a little bit sick of Mourinho.

 

[Pagnell]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43464951

Those damn press and pundits, they'll jump on anything right now. Why won't they leave poor Jose alone? It's bullying I tell you.

 

[G.B]

You're becoming a bit sensitive in your old age Pags mate. Players are criticised by their managers all the time. Didn't see anyone losing their mind like this over Pardew publicly laying in to Krychowiak and fining him 100k for not shaking his hand. Pardew doesn't quite sell the same as Mourinho though.

 

[St. Juste]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43464951

Those damn press and pundits, they'll jump on anything right now. Why won't they leave poor Jose alone? It's bullying I tell you.

It's the job of pundits to make comments that will get views / generate controversy.

Sutton was a mediocre player with absolutely no success as a coach - why would Mourinho (or anyone) care what he thinks? It would be like Sutton saying that whilst the work of Stephen Hawking was initially promising, even his most famous published works contains a number of theories that have since been superseded. Oh, and he's rattled.

Who cares? Mourinho being criticised by the press is just to fill the wide blank space that is sporting journalism. An in depth look at tactics? A look at the evolution of football and its interaction with the community / society and how this varies across different levels? Has the TV deals peaked with recent tenders going unawarded?

Nah, lets say some attention seeking, highly successful coach is an idiot.

 

[Pagnell]

You're becoming a bit sensitive in your old age Pags mate. Players are criticised by their managers all the time. Didn't see anyone losing their mind like this over Pardew publicly laying in to Krychowiak and fining him 100k for not shaking his hand. Pardew doesn't quite sell the same as Mourinho though.

Sensitive? He's not the manager of my club, why would I care? I simply find it amusing you're defending the guy, my reply and quote of yourself was half tongue-in-cheek GB. I'm surprised you need that explaining.

Anyway, criticising players when deserved is one thing, but perhaps he needs to look a little closer to home? He has zero ability to accept any responsibility when things go wrong, and it's clear to everyone that a large chunk of that responsibility lies with him and his footballing philosophy.

Mourinho was always a bit of an acquired taste, even back when he first arrived at Chelsea. But these days he's just a bitter old man with all the charisma of wet fart. I'm not surprised even United fans are getting bored with both him and his irritating foibles.