League 1 General Chat Thread

[Indian Dan]

What about the local nimbys

 

[Marked Ox]

What about the local nimbys

Friends of Stratfield Brake kind of shot their bolt with OCC yesterday but not sure on their credibility with Cherwell DC.

They've wasted £7k of Kidlington Parish Council's limited resources for a poll when a consultation was just about to take place, been classist (ie. those nasty working class football supporters trope who urinate/defecate in residents' gardens and trample/don't like wildflowers etc), calling the site contaminated under the original approach by OUFC but now it is the garden of eden. I could add their continual attacks of our foreign owners which has whiffs of xenophobia, other lies/mistruths, they've spewed throughout and many more.

One of the nimbys has even tried to dox a couple of our supporters who were challenging their lies.

Their credibility has been harmed but they are still a threat, as one of their number (and another is reserve) is on the Cherwell District Council Planning Committee. Those mentioned above have commented on local media, social media sites against the plan, spoken against it at Council meetings and voted against the proposal already with Kidlington Parish Council. So I suspect the club will be challenging if either are on the Planning Committee and we fans are already on it (screenshots of comments and keeping Council video coverage of meetings etc). They have threatened legal action against Oxon CC a few weeks ago. Not sure what grounds they think they've got or if they could fund it, but in the last few weeks they got desperate and threatened lots of things.

If rumours are true, FoSB are running out of financial resources and some supporters (who have backed them financially) are backing away with their recent antics going after OCC cabinet members and the lies they've come out with.

Whilst some locals are against obviously and have fair worries about parking, traffic etc. The KPC poll turnout was 30% with 2,073 voting against KPC supporting the proposal and 928 voted for. 70% didn't care enough to vote either way.

That said very few of the visible members of FoSB actually live in Kidlington, most live in wealthy North Oxford a couple of miles away hence the classist approach they seem to have adopted to create fear (look up Cutteslowe Walls for an idea of where they are coming from).

Also, plenty of them are hobbyist lobbyists on multiple nimby groups ('Friends of' is always a giveaway) with one who objects to everything including a beach volleyball court in the rather large Cutteslowe Park (they failed to stop it). They clearly weren't used to an opponent that had supporters.

 

[Moonie]

Our American suitors hosted a membership meeting with CUOSC (the fans' trust) today. Things are on the verge of a really positive turn off the pitch - this can't go through soon enough.

 

[Moonie]

The trust just voted 687-12 in favour of diluting its share holding in CUFC. Going forward the fans will own just 10% of the club - and will lose the blocking vote we previously had at board level. So close to new owners, at long last...

 

[Laker]

The trust just voted 687-12 in favour of diluting its share holding in CUFC. Going forward the fans will own just 10% of the club - and will lose the blocking vote we previously had at board level. So close to new owners, at long last...

What benefit is there from holding 10%? I’ve not been following the potential new ownership at Carlisle - is it safe to hand over control completely?

 

[Moonie]

What benefit is there from holding 10%? I’ve not been following the potential new ownership at Carlisle - is it safe to hand over control completely?

It's a gamble - but this lot seem genuine. The trust has never been effective as a fundraising machine, and their involvement has been seen as a barrier to previous would-be owners.

My only concern is that it all seems to good to be true - the Piataks are a world away from the current owners, and the future is bright if their plans come to fruition.

 

[denzel ecfc]

The trust just voted 687-12 in favour of diluting its share holding in CUFC. Going forward the fans will own just 10% of the club - and will lose the blocking vote we previously had at board level. So close to new owners, at long last...

Is that really a good thing??

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Just seems a matter of time until the majority of the 92 are American owned. I just don't get why Americans are obsessed with a sport they've hated for years. Particularly the lower divisions of the sport too.

 

[Moonie]

Is that really a good thing??

Time will tell. Our trust was formed in the wake of an owner (Knighton) going bonkers and nearly killing the club, but since then it hasn’t really been a viable force for positive change. They were part of the reason Fred Story gave the club up with us on the verge of a return to the second tier after an absence of 25 years. It’s been all downhill from there. The club is stuck in the 1970s - and despite the relative success last season, the current owners have overseen a decline which has lasted for a decade and a half.

CUOSC does not have the ability to move us forward. The Piataks most certainly possess the means. It’s over to them - providing they can reach an agreement over the debt the club currently owns.

 

[AmberRich]

The trust just voted 687-12 in favour of diluting its share holding in CUFC. Going forward the fans will own just 10% of the club - and will lose the blocking vote we previously had at board level. So close to new owners, at long last...

I really like Carlisle so hope this goes well for you, however be careful what you wish for. Makes me feel a little uneasy.

 

[AmberRich]

Just seems a matter of time until the majority of the 92 are American owned. I just don't get why Americans are obsessed with a sport they've hated for years. Particularly the lower divisions of the sport too.

All about money for them. When things go well they can make money, and when things go badly they have no hesitation about asset stripping. Sure I read somewhere that it can be used as a way for American investors to save some money from taxes too.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Whatever positive opinions you have regarding supporter trusts, none of that applies to our version.

There's far too much baggage attached to them, the main one which Moonie alluded to is when they decided it would be a good idea to take Fred Story to high court over some pointless land when we were flying high.

The wider fanbase don't trust them in the slightest.

The saga of our trust would fill a 5,000 page novel. The ins and outs over the years as been incredible and I've followed it all from the start. Seriously there's been that much crap with the characters involved and their actions over the years it's one massive tangled web of bollocks.

This is possibly the best thing to ever happen to our club and the risks attached are 100% worth it to remove that power from the un(trust)worthy and the dinosaurs sat in the boardroom.

Hopefully this is now a moment the trust can reset and become what it should be.

 

[valefan16]

We had the supporters club model in 2002-2012...

It was a disaster, ended up in administration and fans lost a lot of money, so its not always rosey.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Not sure about this at all. Hooray, more trophy matches!

Premier League offers EFL extra £358m over three years – with strings attached

The Premier League has presented a plan to increase financial redistribution to the English Football League

www.theguardian.com

 

[Marked Ox]

Not sure about this at all. Hooray, more trophy matches!

Premier League offers EFL extra £358m over three years – with strings attached

The Premier League has presented a plan to increase financial redistribution to the English Football League

www.theguardian.com

Easily sorted on the Trophy games, just make the rules so they are guaranteed to qualify for the knockout stage. One less place for FL clubs to qualify then which would be a bonus.

 

[Laker]

Not sure about this at all. Hooray, more trophy matches!

Premier League offers EFL extra £358m over three years – with strings attached

The Premier League has presented a plan to increase financial redistribution to the English Football League

www.theguardian.com

The cynicism of it is disgusting. Anyone saying it’ll never happen and who happily turns a blind eye…. Just look at it - it IS happening.

 

[Luke Imp]

PL moaning about more and more games but want the EFL to play more games (despite playing more to start with anyway!).

 

[Luke Imp]

r.e. the Carlisle takeover, it's interesting that at a time they're significantly diluting their control and a say in the running of their Club, we're actually giving fans *more* control by setting up a Golden Share, which gives an added layer of protection to us.

I agree generally speaking about Trusts in the sense that they can become a closed shop over time. We had it here in the late 00's. The Trust resigned en masse and a new one started without all the politics via the Red Imps Trust (headed up by a former Chairman that saved us from Admin in 2002) and I think you can only be involved at Board level for three years before someone else is elected. But because of the potential for politics within Trusts, we also have a Supporters Board, which has one member of each of the supporter groups/forums and they meet with the CEO once every two or three months to discuss things such as investment, stadium work, sponsors, ticket pricing, shirt designs, catering etc - basically everything around the Club and they act off fan feedback where they can and within reason.

 

[masi51]

PL moaning about more and more games but want the EFL to play more games (despite playing more to start with anyway!).

But do they???
Bolton are the exception Evatt puts out a strong team every EFL game. The competition has already cost injuries with the squad.

Teams with less resources can be more cute and just basically play kids and fringe players and pick up the extra money


None of the u21 teams are strong. Everyman and his dog is anti this competition......I never understood this, it is the only cup any team from league 1/2 can win.

Teams should embrace it and send all the u21 teams out at the group stage

 

[denzel ecfc]

But do they???
Bolton are the exception Evatt puts out a strong team every EFL game. The competition has already cost injuries with the squad.

Teams with less resources can be more cute and just basically play kids and fringe players and pick up the extra money


None of the u21 teams are strong. Everyman and his dog is anti this competition......I never understood this, it is the only cup any team from league 1/2 can win.

Teams should embrace it and send all the u21 teams out at the group stage

You just don't get it, do you? Yes you had your jolly win at Wembley, is your plan to stay in League One so you can keep winning it?
Quite rightly we played a team full of kids and got hammered. If we didn't, I'm quite sure we wouldn't be in the fourth round of the league cup.
The last thing we need is more games in the trophy, I want to be out at the earliest chance and concentrate on proper competitions

 

[masi51]

You just don't get it, do you? Yes you had your jolly win at Wembley, is your plan to stay in League One so you can keep winning it?
Quite rightly we played a team full of kids and got hammered. If we didn't, I'm quite sure we wouldn't be in the fourth round of the league cup.
The last thing we need is more games in the trophy, I want to be out at the earliest chance and concentrate on proper competitions

Look i respect what you say, but dont agree on it.

Is the FA cup and League cup proper???


You will never win it so i dont get that thought process

Your league position is all that matters.....A cup run is a bonus
like it or hate it the EFL cup is a money spinner

4th round of the league cup means nothing

And no i dont want to stay and win this cup over and over.

 

[GEORGE]

You just don't get it, do you? Yes you had your jolly win at Wembley, is your plan to stay in League One so you can keep winning it?
Quite rightly we played a team full of kids and got hammered. If we didn't, I'm quite sure we wouldn't be in the fourth round of the league cup.
The last thing we need is more games in the trophy, I want to be out at the earliest chance and concentrate on proper competitions

I would say there is only one proper cup competition and that is the FA cup. Yes both the trophy & League cup are nice to win but the ever increasing amount of injuries you get offset this. The league is the bread & butter and must be your main aim. Bolton should have a big enough squad to cope but I reckon both Exeter & Vale will fall away when the injuries mount up.

 

[denzel ecfc]

If us or Vale get to the quarters of the league cup that will be a tremendous achievement. Just as when Burton got to the semis that was unbelievable.
Nobody cares who gets to the trophy final, you've only beaten third or fourth tier sides and kids.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Look i respect what you say, but dont agree on it.

Is the FA cup and League cup proper???


You will never win it so i dont get that thought process

Your league position is all that matters.....A cup run is a bonus
like it or hate it the EFL cup is a money spinner

4th round of the league cup means nothing

And no i dont want to stay and win this cup over and over.

So if only the league matters wasn't last season a failure? Why are you putting out full sides in the Trophy?

 

[valefan16]

If us or Vale get to the quarters of the league cup that will be a tremendous achievement. Just as when Burton got to the semis that was unbelievable.
Nobody cares who gets to the trophy final, you've only beaten third or fourth tier sides and kids.

To be fair if we get to the Quarters we will have only beaten third or fourth tier sides.

The League Cup I usually consider less than the FA Cup certainly, we made 9 changes Tuesday for example.

All be it last season we made mass changes in the FA Cup (against you guys ironically).

The EFL Trophy is good if you win it, 2001 and 1993 were great milestones in the club's history winning it but its completely devalued now. Masi does make a point that its more of a money spinner, you get 10k per win in the group going up in the knock outs, we've made about 20k from winning 3 rounds of the EFL Cup which is bonkers and you only get 25k for getting to the semis so all the money in that is from ticket sales which needs a huge away tie and TV.

Guess it depends how the League is going in terms of priorities on these things.

 

[Si Robin]

The trophy was great for us last season - I'd argue that if it wasn't for the u21/u23 sides it would be better and more important than the League Cup. It's a chance for a day out at Wembley and it's a nice diversion from the league.

It's also definitely more lucrative than the League Cup.

As a traditionalist though, the FA Cup trumps all.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Listen to you all, you have all been bought.

 

[Don Tonberry]

Speaking as a fan of a club that has won both trophies in recentish memory, they are incomparable. Winning the F.A. Cup was the ultimate high, the pisspot trophy doesn't even come close. I, along with others, boycotted the final because of the farcical nature of the competition.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Some people really don't realise how important the League Cup is for their football clubs.

The reason the EFL gets a fat broadcasting contract from Sky is because of the League Cup. It's why they're staunchly opposed to scrapping the League Cup because it's their only avenue of selling games featuring the biggest clubs in the country to the World.

I read that the League Cup equates to two-thirds of the value of the entire EFL broadcasting deal because of this. The current contract is just a touch under £120 million per year, so if we're going off that £80 million a year comes from the League Cup rights. That's a sizable part of the money that funds the EFL Basic Award that each member club is awarded at the start of the season.

Sure, a minority of people might get giddy over £10K a win in the shittest competition going. But it's 30 pieces of silver compared to the £2.3 million each Championship club receives, the £680K each League One club receives and the £470K each League Two club receives all from EFL basic award income which is funded largely by the League Cup. If the League Cup was to be scrapped tomorrow, that's a huge hole in a lot of budgets whereas if the EFL Trophy was to be scrapped tomorrow, the bean counters wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

Yes the EFL Trophy was fun pre-2016 and a day out at Wembley and I really loved winning it in 2013 as it was a memorable run, but now I despise everything that shitshow of a competition stands for. Ruined by none other than Shaun Harvey of course, who is somehow still in football despite his reign of abysmal failure at the top of the EFL. It needs to be scrapped but no, the Premier League want us to play more pointless group matches in exchange for a further pittance from them.

 

[masi51]

So if only the league matters wasn't last season a failure? Why are you putting out full sides in the Trophy?

We grew on the previous season..........Play offs and a cup win is progress

This season is a big ask and i am starting to doubt Evatt can deliver

Or the owners

Grateful for what they done, but we need to see them step up