League 2 General Chat Thread

[masi51]

Barrow have over the 22 maximum players......if they have de registered injured players and put them on furlough
They need the book throwing at them

 

[Kauto Star]

Tinpot of the highest order from Barrow. They should not be allowed to get away with this. I hope they get relegated now. I feel sorry for the fans, how embarrassing it must be to see this from their club

 

[Robshep]

End of any lectures from Barren fans.......

The Phillip Greene lecture on ethical business practice live from Bolton University Stadium coming soon no doubt.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Barrow have over the 22 maximum players......if they have de registered injured players and put them on furlough
They need the book throwing at them

Mate, your club literally ruined local businesses by not paying what they were owed. No moral high ground for you.

It's legal, it's shitty, the club has shot itself in the foot PR-wise and it leaves a sour taste, but you can also bet half the clubs in this league are doing the same. Or worse.

 

[Boz]

I've been neglecting the dossier of finances lately but Tranmere are definitely on the naughty list.

Why? At the recent fans forum Mark Palios said we were under the salary cap and the highest weekly wage was about £1.5k. We’ve not done any stellar business in the transfer window either, ins and outs balanced off.

 

[Casey]

Talking of salaries....there's an interview with Crawleys dof/coo on line where he states we were paying Max Watters around £400 a week.

Cost for achievement wise that has got to be around the best return in a while.

Casey

 

[masi51]

Mate, your club literally ruined local businesses by not paying what they were owed. No moral high ground for you.

It's legal, it's shitty, the club has shot itself in the foot PR-wise and it leaves a sour taste, but you can also bet half the clubs in this league are doing the same. Or worse.

Yes i agree and that was because of mismanagement at the top. We as a football club paid a heavy price for that.
We operated under a embargo for three years and received -12 points on administration....All our decent players looked elsewhere and could go without a fee......We was relegated two years running.


I can slate Barrow because i am a tax payer.....No footballers should ever get furlough money period.
You cannot say other clubs are doing it or worse without proof.

In my opinion if you have to furlough players you should receive -12 points

 

[chipmunx]

Yes i agree and that was because of mismanagement at the top. We as a football club paid a heavy price for that.
We operated under a embargo for three years and received -12 points on administration....All our decent players looked elsewhere and could go without a fee......We was relegated two years running.


I can slate Barrow because i am a tax payer.....No footballers should ever get furlough money period.
You cannot say other clubs are doing it or worse without proof.

In my opinion if you have to furlough players you should receive -12 points

Bolton have a hotel that was losing money hand over fist before the pandemic - i bet they've nearly all been put on furlough which has resulted in Bolton losing less money on it a month than they were before.....

 

[Luke Imp]

Bolton have a hotel that was losing money hand over fist before the pandemic - i bet they've nearly all been put on furlough which has resulted in Bolton losing less money on it a month than they were before.....

That's a business associated with the Club though, not players.

 

[masi51]

Bolton have a hotel that was losing money hand over fist before the pandemic - i bet they've nearly all been put on furlough which has resulted in Bolton losing less money on it a month than they were before.....

I am not in the least bothered about bar staff, receptionists or chefs being put on furlough
That is right as the hotel is not in use.

I have a problem with putting players, and groundstaff on furlough and carrying on the season.
We have Two players who have been out all season [Dennis Politic, Liam Edwards] It would be easy to copy Barrows thinking with these two.

We have another 7/8 players who we signed last summer who will not get anywhere near the first team
should we just de register them and let the taxpayer see out there contracts until they are released in the summer.

 

[loz]

I can slate Barrow because i am a tax payer...

And so say all of us. Trust HMRC will have a good look at this.

 

[chipmunx]

And so say all of us. Trust HMRC will have a good look at this.

as our chairman is an accountant i'm pretty sure he will have checked with them 1st anyway

 

[chipmunx]

I am not in the least bothered about bar staff, receptionists or chefs being put on furlough
That is right as the hotel is not in use.

I have a problem with putting players, and groundstaff on furlough and carrying on the season.
We have Two players who have been out all season [Dennis Politic, Liam Edwards] It would be easy to copy Barrows thinking with these two.

We have another 7/8 players who we signed last summer who will not get anywhere near the first team
should we just de register them and let the taxpayer see out there contracts until they are released in the summer.

so why didn't you kick up a big fuss about Mansfield's groundsman who has been on furlough all season apparently?

 

[masi51]

so why didn't you kick up a big fuss about Mansfield's groundsman who has been on furlough all season apparently?

I think you will see that i slated them for it on here

Type masi51 and mansfield in the search box and you will find quite a few posts there

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Yes i agree and that was because of mismanagement at the top. We as a football club paid a heavy price for that.
We operated under a embargo for three years and received -12 points on administration....All our decent players looked elsewhere and could go without a fee......We was relegated two years running.


I can slate Barrow because i am a tax payer.....No footballers should ever get furlough money period.
You cannot say other clubs are doing it or worse without proof.

In my opinion if you have to furlough players you should receive -12 points

Except you didn't get 12 points deducted for not paying businesses - it was because you went into administration. For what it's worth, I agree that a points deduction would be a good rule to deter this sort of thing.

As 58 of the 72 EFL clubs are claiming furlough, and I haven't seen many (any?) other club directors criticising Barrow's approach, it's a safe bet that others are doing it or looking at doing it.

 

[BarraMatt]

Except you didn't get 12 points deducted for not paying businesses - it was because you went into administration. For what it's worth, I agree that a points deduction would be a good rule to deter this sort of thing.

As 58 of the 72 EFL clubs are claiming furlough, and I haven't seen many (any?) other club directors criticising Barrow's approach, it's a safe bet that others are doing it or looking at doing it.

Accy chairman Andy Holt commented on it when asked on Twitter, and he said effectively what I and many others have been saying on our forum all along. Unfortunately there's a minority who don't see anything wrong with what we've done, and that includes our board it seems.

One bloke even managed the weirdest comparison ever seen, saying the taxpayer not agreeing with paying for Barrow's unwanted players is only the same as a Cornish fisherman not liking that some of his money is being spent on trident submarines.

 

[Robshep]

Yes i agree and that was because of mismanagement at the top. We as a football club paid a heavy price for that.
We operated under a embargo for three years and received -12 points on administration....All our decent players looked elsewhere and could go without a fee......We was relegated two years running.


I can slate Barrow because i am a tax payer.....No footballers should ever get furlough money period.
You cannot say other clubs are doing it or worse without proof.

In my opinion if you have to furlough players you should receive -12 points

How do you punish other businesses that are exploiting the system then? Use your vast wisdom to explain to us what needs to be done about that. As a tax payer surely you are angered by the company responsible for the very system used for this forum paying barely any tax. Where do you set the limit for your standard. Is it OK for multinational companies but wrong for local businesses. Give us guidance for we are lost in the wilderness.

 

[Robshep]

And so say all of us. Trust HMRC will have a good look at this.

They have never managed to look into all the tax avoidance going on in huge companies.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Accy chairman Andy Holt commented on it when asked on Twitter, and he said effectively what I and many others have been saying on our forum all along. Unfortunately there's a minority who don't see anything wrong with what we've done, and that includes our board it seems.

One bloke even managed the weirdest comparison ever seen, saying the taxpayer not agreeing with paying for Barrow's unwanted players is only the same as a Cornish fisherman not liking that some of his money is being spent on trident submarines.

Yeah, that Bombadel character? I think he was replying to me - he's a proper bootlicker. One of those that can never admit the club is wrong or that a player isn't good enough.

 

[Robshep]

Yeah, that Bombadel character? I think he was replying to me - he's a proper bootlicker. One of those that can never admit the club is wrong or that a player isn't good enough.

That bloke is a hypocrite.

 

[BarraMatt]

Yeah, that Bombadel character? I think he was replying to me - he's a proper bootlicker. One of those that can never admit the club is wrong or that a player isn't good enough.

Yep, people think supporting a club is patting the owners/players/everyone on the back every time. Part of supporting a club is highlighting when things are done wrong and holding whoever is responsible to account, and this has been done badly wrong, and I've felt very let down by it all. But apparently that means I'm not a genuine supporter.

 

[GTFCfish]

Except you didn't get 12 points deducted for not paying businesses - it was because you went into administration. For what it's worth, I agree that a points deduction would be a good rule to deter this sort of thing.

As 58 of the 72 EFL clubs are claiming furlough, and I haven't seen many (any?) other club directors criticising Barrow's approach, it's a safe bet that others are doing it or looking at doing it.

I’m sure we will be one of the 14 not doing it as Fenty would never do something like that, he is as honest as trustworthy as they come.

 

[masi51]

I’m sure we will be one of the 14 not doing it as Fenty would never do something like that, he is as honest as trustworthy as they come.

office staff, club shop and Ticket sales are fine to go on furlough......the aint 58 clubs with players on furlough ffs

 

[Monkey Tennis]

office staff, club shop and Ticket sales are fine to go on furlough......the aint 58 clubs with players on furlough ffs

Really not sure you should be participating in any debate until you learn to read.

 

[Simpo]

OAFC 21/22 adult season ticket prices

£160 for 20/21 season ticket holders (before April 16th)
£180 for 19/20 season ticket holders (before April 16th)
£200 otherwise (Before May 7th)

 

[masi51]

Really not sure you should be participating in any debate until you learn to read.

i cannot reed right or spel, but i know what Barren are doing is wrong !!

 

[masi51]

OAFC 21/22 adult season ticket prices

£160 for 20/21 season ticket holders (before April 16th)
£180 for 19/20 season ticket holders (before April 16th)
£200 otherwise (Before May 7th)

Great prices well done Oldham

 

[E10rifle]

They have never managed to look into all the tax avoidance going on in huge companies.

Always pressure from above for the underpaid, understaffed, demoralised and often frankly under-qualified HMRC staff to turn a blind eye to it. Corporation tax investigators routinely instructed to offer marginal repayments at the expense of the taxpayer. Always outgunned in court. Only large ‘businesses’ that HMRC are good at successfully prosecuting are other government-run employers such as NHS Trusts and local councils. Been that way with football for a long time as well; toe-rags like Ron Martin just take the piss and string HMRC along as often as they can. Gone are the days that crooks like Stan Flashman at Barnet got absolutely hammered.

 

[Bone Idle]

Us and grimsby have been charged with not controlling our players after scott bennett was sent off, fuckin joke! it was no more than what you see when any player is sent off in any game.

 

[Chris FGR]

Us and grimsby have been charged with not controlling our players after scott bennett was sent off, fuckin joke! it was no more than what you see when any player is sent off in any game.

Yeah, can't see a lot wrong tbh. Bit of a rash tackle and a bit of handbags.