League 2 relegation thread 14/15

[Glasshalffullpools]

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By the way, relegation thread now knocking on for ten-times the number of posts of the promotion thread. What this says about this division or this forum I don't know, but I remember it was much a similar story (and mostly the same people ) in the League One relegation thread last season.

it says we have so much to lose , I admire the pessimism of the Mansfield fans who somehow think they are in the mix, your not! And you lot in Carlisle, if you don't get 6 or 7 points out of those fixtures you need shooting; yours is by far the easiest task

 

[shoddycollins]

Carlisle will stay up. Tranmere look certs at the moment.

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About half this thread is HG responding to people saying stuff like this

 

[shoddycollins]

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it says we have so much to lose , I admire the pessimism of the Mansfield fans who somehow think they are in the mix, your not! And you lot in Carlisle, if you don't get 6 or 7 points out of those fixtures you need shooting; yours is by far the easiest task

A lot of us just remember last year when we had, maybe not as positive a scenario (we were in the relegation zone at the time) but we had a run of games against the other four teams in the bottom five which was really our get-out-of-jail period towards the end of the season. We drew 0-0 three times and lost the other 4-1.

 

[daviejones]

For me Cheltenham are most likely to drop now, their team just isn't good enough unlike Tranmere who have a slightly better team but seemingly the wrong manager.

 

[Boz]

At least Carlisle managed to comfortably win in the Cumberland Cup. Rovers lost to Bootle in the Liverpool Senior Cup and to Nantwich in the Cheshire Senior Cup. How bad is that...

 

[daviejones]

A lot of us just remember last year when we had, maybe not as positive a scenario (we were in the relegation zone at the time) but we had a run of games against the other four teams in the bottom five which was really our get-out-of-jail period towards the end of the season. We drew 0-0 three times and lost the other 4-1.

That has to go down as the worst day we've had for a good few years, beats any game this season for sure. Getting hammered by the bottom of the league made most of our fans on the MB believe that we were going down, and unfortunately we were right.

 

[cufc17]

Cheltenham have been picking up some points recently under their new manager though, unlike Tranmere who are bottom of the form table.

Hopefully Tranmere stay up and Cheltenham go down.

 

[shoddycollins]

That has to go down as the worst day we've had for a good few years, beats any game this season for sure. Getting hammered by the bottom of the league made most of our fans on the MB believe that we were going down, and unfortunately we were right.

My personal worst from last season was the Oldham defeat, even closer to the end of the season (I think it might even have been the game that took survival out of our own hands, as we had that game in hand with Crawley that meant even though we were in the bottom four it was in our hands). Oldham had nothing to play for and didn't look like they could really be bothered, yet our players put in even less effort than Oldham did and ultimately lost 1-0.

 

[AdamStag]

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it says we have so much to lose , I admire the pessimism of the Mansfield fans who somehow think they are in the mix, your not! And you lot in Carlisle, if you don't get 6 or 7 points out of those fixtures you need shooting; yours is by far the easiest task

Until we get to 50 we are

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

My personal worst from last season was the Oldham defeat, even closer to the end of the season (I think it might even have been the game that took survival out of our own hands, as we had that game in hand with Crawley that meant even though we were in the bottom four it was in our hands). Oldham had nothing to play for and didn't look like they could really be bothered, yet our players put in even less effort than Oldham did and ultimately lost 1-0.

I actually don't buy this nothing to play for line, a lot of players are looking for deals , extensions, pay rises, I doubt there are any non events these days

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Until we get to 50 we are

I reckon 48 this year , even so , you'd still be looking at losing the next 4 before the pack closed

 

[shoddycollins]

I actually don't buy this nothing to play for line, a lot of players are looking for deals , extensions, pay rises, I doubt there are any non events these days

Maybe but Oldham certainly didn't look up for it on that particular day.

 

[AdamStag]

I reckon 48 this year , even so , you'd still be looking at losing the next 4 before the pack closed

Well, yeah - the bookies have us at 33/1 to go down, and i'd be very surprised, but it's happened to teams in the past and it will happen again.

Even if we only drew with York it would be a positive step - a) as it gives us another point - upto 46 and b) it will keep them 7 adrift of us with 7 to play for

 

[hellogregory]

So we're no longer dead certs for the drop for you then, that's a slight improvement at least. I can't see us going down now and if we do something will have gone very wrong. Cheltenham and Tranmere are in worse form than us, have tougher runs and imo have worse teams as well. We seem to just be hitting average form which is more than could be said about most of our season, aided by two excellent additions in Kennedy and Corry, so if we keep this up we should just about get over the line.

I still think we'll go down, but obviously if we were to win some of the next 4 games we'd have a good chance of staying up. I don't think we will though, I think we'll get 2 points at the most from the next 4 games which won't be enough going into the tonight last 4 matches. But if we did manage to pull off a couple of wins then we'd be in A good position.

As for Kennedy and Corry. They look great signings so far. I half expect Kennedy to be recalled, it would sum up the story of our season. With anything good at Carlisle there's always a disappointment/setback just around the corner.

 

[hellogregory]

Think we'll be fine if we pick up 6/7 points out of the next 4 games, that'd put us on 47/48 points. 1 win out of the last 4 would get us to the magic 50 point mark, which I think should be enough.

Yeah I agree, we'd be fine. But the problem is we won't do it. We're not capable of picking up 7 points from 4 games.

That's why we'll be relegated, I still have us down as finishing rock bottom based on what I think will happen over the next 8 games. Because all season we've never been able to put together a run of results. The Tuesday night after the tranmere win is the perfect example of this.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Well, yeah - the bookies have us at 33/1 to go down, and i'd be very surprised, but it's happened to teams in the past and it will happen again.

Even if we only drew with York it would be a positive step - a) as it gives us another point - upto 46 and b) it will keep them 7 adrift of us with 7 to play for

Mind you last year we got to 49 points then lost 9 on the bounce only getting safe with a game spare so your right not to count your chickens , just do yourself and us a favour by beating york

 

[daviejones]

Our record against the current bottom half is: W8 D3 L6. That's an average of 1.588 points per game; if we were to take that into the next 4 games then we'd get 6.3 points, so round down to 6. That's our record before now though, and now we have Kennedy and Corry and we have Gillespie back in contention. 6 points out of those 4 games would see us at 47 points needing probably another 2 or 3 points out of the last 4 games which is more than doable.

Compare that to Tranmere who have a tougher run than us and who have only averaged around 0.88 points per game from the current top 12, and have to play teams from that top 12 in 6 out of their remaining 8 games, as do Cheltenham who have averaged just 0.5 points per game from the current top 12. The chances of either of these teams getting 4 points more than us in the last 8 games, when you compare the teams we've yet to play, looks extremely slim to me.

 

[cufc17]

Yeah I agree, we'd be fine. But the problem is we won't do it. We're not capable of picking up 7 points from 4 games.

That's why we'll be relegated, I still have us down as finishing rock bottom based on what I think will happen over the next 8 games. Because all season we've never been able to put together a run of results. The Tuesday night after the tranmere win is the perfect example of this.

That's correct, our inconsistency has been one of our main downfalls, but prior to the Morecambe game we took 7 points from the Cheltenham, Exeter, York and Northampton games.

 

[hellogregory]

That's correct, our inconsistency has been one of our main downfalls, but prior to the Morecambe game we took 7 points from the Cheltenham, Exeter, York and Northampton games.

That's even more reason to expect a poor run of form now. I'm predicting 2 or 3 point from these 4 games. I'd be surprised but absolutely over the moon if we get 6 or 7.

 

[daviejones]

That's even more reason to expect a poor run of form now. I'm predicting 2 or 3 point from these 4 games. I'd be surprised but absolutely over the moon if we get 6 or 7.

I have to say i'd be surprised if we didn't get 6 points given the way we've been playing recently. I know that we've been inconsistent in the past but I think it's no small coincidence that our recent run of form has come alongside the signings of Corry and largely Kennedy. If we add onto this by getting Gillespie back in the team then we'll be fine and dandy.

 

[LordJord]

Whats happened to Oxford this season? Every time I see a result of theirs they seem to have lost. Think Cheltenham and one other to go down now, undecided on the second team. Fair play to Hartlepool for performing as they have done, I can appreciate what they have gone through being adrift last season!

 

[Pooliepride]

Jordan Hughill joins pools on loan for the rest of the season - replacement for Birdy.

How did he do for Tranmere?

 

[shoddycollins]

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlis...in-carlisle-utd-s-relegation-battle-1.1201372

a little summary for you all of how each team's form and run-in look.

Mansfield fans need not bother.

 

[shoddycollins]

Whats happened to Oxford this season? Every time I see a result of theirs they seem to have lost. Think Cheltenham and one other to go down now, undecided on the second team.

They've never really been all that far from the relegation zone, just there or thereabouts, even when they were mid-table that was just because they were part of that massive group of teams including yourselves and Portsmouth on similar points, and they dropped down because the other teams pushed on and they didn't.

Aside from the terrible start we had, they remind me a little bit of us through the middle of last season, spending ages around about 4-6 points clear of the zone, but sometimes there were loads of teams below us and I think we were 13th at one point, but then we couldn't buy a win and when all the mid-table teams had secured their mid-tableness, we were still those few points from the relegation zone, until we dropped into it. It takes you until about March to realise that you're actually in massive trouble, (not that we thought we were safe, but we did think we held the high ground in the relegation battle should we get sucked in, even though we were already well embroiled in it).

 

[1884 Belmont]

Jordan Hughill joins pools on loan for the rest of the season - replacement for Birdy.

How did he do for Tranmere?

Awful. Scored once, so he wasn't quite as bad as some of the other awful loans, but he his slow, immobile and his finishing was poor. He did link up play reasonably well and he is a unit, but if you don't lump it to him, he won't touch the ball for 10 minutes. Odejayi looks like Drogba in comparison.

 

[AdamStag]

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/carlis...in-carlisle-utd-s-relegation-battle-1.1201372

a little summary for you all of how each team's form and run-in look.

Mansfield fans need not bother.

I'll do a deal with you, we beat York on saturday for you and we won't need to be involved any longer?

 

[martinox]

Whats happened to Oxford this season? Every time I see a result of theirs they seem to have lost. Think Cheltenham and one other to go down now, undecided on the second team. Fair play to Hartlepool for performing as they have done, I can appreciate what they have gone through being adrift last season!

That's easy. We let Chris Wilder leave and join you so you are close to play offs and we are close to relegation!

 

[shoddycollins]

I'll do a deal with you, we beat York on saturday for you and we won't need to be involved any longer?

That would be a huge help.

 

[The Goblin]

It's certainly better for us to be playing a few top half sides than any sides down here with us (Carlisle 0pts, York 1pt from a last minute equaliser, Cheltenham 0pts)

 

[yellow]

Cheltenham and Oxford, purely for travel distances please.

I miss L2 so much