Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[Limerick Mariner]

Kicking myself, was supposed to bet on Swindon to go down at the start of the season and forgot.

Spread price on Sporting Index is sell at 53 points - still worth a punt at that. Tenner a point and they end up with 40 - £130, can’t see much downside risk with that.

Might have a nibble.

 

[leedsvaliant]

I thought both them and Colchester have been playing relegation roulette for a few years. It really is the classic way to go down. Club stagnating, owners cut down funding but still expect managers to over perform, sack them and just go into a spiral of decline.
Holloway looks a proper throw of the dice in a time of stats based club management.

We were very close to it under Smurthwaite. I'm certain we would have gone into non league if he'd have stayed another season. As you described was exactly what was happening to our club.

 

[Grimsby Road]

He had and brouht in some good players. Really got a tune out of Billy Clarke, James Hanson and Charles Vernam up top. Brought Josh Benson and Anthony Glennon in on loan from Burnley who both had superb loan spells. Brought in Elliott Grandin who was a bit of a luxury player but could quite clearly play at a level above L2. Also had some decent defenders and hardworking mids at the club in players like Mattie Pollock, Elliot Hewitt and Jake Hessenthaler.

He completely lost the plot once COVID happened though. He's universally despised now after the way he ultimately left us. People are gonna be baying for his blood when we come to you in December now. Nothing against Swindon but I hope he fails miserably and you get him out in time to stay up.

In a way I hope he does ok and still here by the time we play them at home it would actually be a decent atmosphere for once

It’s a shame it ended so bad for Holloway here because as alluded to above he had us playing great football and also he was great in the community regularly turning up at peoples weddings, schools and stuff etc.
Then we as a club, not just him, gambled on the Covid season not finishing and slashed the budget and suddenly the season was carrying in and we were in the shit.
What pissed me off the most with him is that you cannot unfortunately trust a word that he says.
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He fed the fans the dream , many bought it at the start and could either enjoy or tolerate his 80's /90's lads mag style type banter and got burnt badly .

He's a charlatan with some sort of mental ilness or personality disorder which although sad doesn't give him the right to behave the way he did with us ; it seems Swindon already have their own version of dishonest John at the helm so motives could already be questioned from the get go .

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

Reckon we could be looking for our 4th manager in just over a year soon

 

[TheDon]

Reckon we could be looking for our 4th manager in just over a year soon

Mark Kennedy?

 

[Optipez]

We were very close to it under Smurthwaite. I'm certain we would have gone into non league if he'd have stayed another season. As you described was exactly what was happening to our club.

Owners both panic and get exasperated and unlike other businesses where you can guarantee appointments to work, footballers and managers are like racehorses and don't always perform to the form book.

If Carlisle sack Williamson I'd say they're more likely to go down than stay up despite him having a very poor start because it would just be more churn and unfocused change when what they need is stability.

 

[Carver]

Owners both panic and get exasperated and unlike other businesses where you can guarantee appointments to work, footballers and managers are like racehorses and don't always perform to the form book.

If Carlisle sack Williamson I'd say they're more likely to go down than stay up despite him having a very poor start because it would just be more churn and unfocused change when what they need is stability.

Believe me, we're not getting any stability under Williamson at all.

His appointment was a mess where we basically ended up with a manager who was not wanted by his previous club MK Dons and it's obvious their sporting director tricked our naive owners into signing him.
It really hasn't worked out for him at all here, he's quickly become very unpopular with the fans and comes across as stubborn, arrogant, tactically Inept, out of his depth and defeated. He has failed to get any fight and spirit out of our team and didn't even get a honeymoon period.

We just need someone who will recognise our situation and inject some belief and passion into the players which is the sort of manager a lot of us wanted anyway before Williamson got the job. No more philosophies about possession football.

 

[Optipez]

Believe me, we're not getting any stability under Williamson at all.

His appointment was a mess where we basically ended up with a manager who was not wanted by his previous club MK Dons and it's obvious their sporting director tricked our naive owners into signing him.
It really hasn't worked out for him at all here, he's quickly become very unpopular with the fans and comes across as stubborn, arrogant, tactically Inept, out of his depth and defeated. He has failed to get any fight and spirit out of our team and didn't even get a honeymoon period.

We just need someone who will recognise our situation and inject some belief and passion into the players which is the sort of manager a lot of us wanted anyway before Williamson got the job. No more philosophies about possession football.

Fair enough, you're watching them every week.
Williamson did very well on a shoestring at Gateshead, won a promotion from a team that was going nowhere. He then had his two star strikers poached but kept them up comfortably, leaving them as a play-off chasing team.
If you're not stubborn as a manager you're not doing it right to a degree because you have to impose what you believe on the squad even when it's not going well.
From a distance I'd say you need to give him a transfer window, you're not adrift, a couple of results and the table can look quite a bit better.

 

[Stocky]

The only way I'm winning this David Artell bet is a proper sex scandal job. Something saucy, perhaps involving the ticket office girls. Anyone heard anything or am I best just cashing out and admitting defeat?

 

[GTFCfish]

The only way I'm winning this David Artell bet is a proper sex scandal job. Something saucy, perhaps involving the ticket office girls. Anyone heard anything or am I best just cashing out and admitting defeat?

Have you seen our ticket office girls?

If he tried it on with any of them he would most likely be sectioned rather than arrested.

 

[Son of Cod]

The only way I'm winning this David Artell bet is a proper sex scandal job. Something saucy, perhaps involving the ticket office girls. Anyone heard anything or am I best just cashing out and admitting defeat?

The bet was first manager sacked so you've already lost it mate!

 

[Gi Dalor]

There is no next manager in L2 to be sacked market. Stocky is DA.

 

[Alfie]

Video of interview by Jamie DAY popped up on my YouTube inbox.

That prompted me to read his Wiki page

Jamie Day (footballer, born 1979) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

MK Dons have done good employing him as 1st team coach; he’s a regular winner.

One must ask if Jamie & Scott Lindsey are a winning double act – they’ve managed Swindon, Crawley & MK together in past few years.

 

[クレイグ]

 

[BarraMatt]

Fair few calls for Clemence to go.

 

[Son of Cod]

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He's in the League 2 safe house right now just waiting.

Edit: Can't get the image to work and on a train right now but it was Huell from Breaking Bad.

 

[Tallow]

Believe me, we're not getting any stability under Williamson at all.

His appointment was a mess where we basically ended up with a manager who was not wanted by his previous club MK Dons and it's obvious their sporting director tricked our naive owners into signing him.
It really hasn't worked out for him at all here, he's quickly become very unpopular with the fans and comes across as stubborn, arrogant, tactically Inept, out of his depth and defeated. He has failed to get any fight and spirit out of our team and didn't even get a honeymoon period.

We just need someone who will recognise our situation and inject some belief and passion into the players which is the sort of manager a lot of us wanted anyway before Williamson got the job. No more philosophies about possession football.

Sorry Carver, but totally disagree.
Slowly but surely he's putting his stamp on the team.
We're more confident and comfortable on the ball, we've tightened up defensively, good possession, stronger mentality and more teamwork than we've had for 12 months.
Unfortunately, Simmo wrecked us and Williamson is rebuilding us.
I think Simmo was a bit me me me attitude and this fella is all about teamwork. The fact he spent 8 hrs with Charlie Wyke in hospital speaks volumes.
From what I see and hear from his interviews, he is a knowledgeable, realistic and sensible guy.
Onwards and upwards imo.

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1868296096935747947

 

[RavenBish]

Burton’s recruitment has been so bad over the last few months I’m half holding out hope they come for Maynard

 

[Carver]

Burton’s recruitment has been so bad over the last few months I’m half holding out hope they come for Maynard

They were stupid enough to spend around 100k for one of our full backs!!

 

[lordofthepies]

Apparently Burton have made him an offer of stupid money and a long contract. I don't think he really wants to leave so I'm hoping that our board might do something to make him stay.

 

[LS Bantam]

Lee Bell’s agent has him linked to anyone, he’ll be in for the Wolves job.

 

[BarraMatt]

Burton just seem to sign decent, but not standout, League Two players, Josh Gordon and Ben Whitfield from us for example, they were going to go down eventually.

 

[lordofthepies]

Lee Bell’s agent has him linked to anyone, he’ll be in for the Wolves job.

He's actually been talking to Burton though, the other couple of jobs he was linked with were just press speculation.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

If it was someone like Bolton who are surely on the verge of sacking Evatt then I'd expect him to be approached and leave.

But this is Burton. I don't care about the newfound riches they have. They probably have one of the lowest ceilings for growth in the 92 given how surrounded they are by bigger clubs in all directions. They're almost dead certs to go down this season. Yeah Bell would get a pay rise but if the stink continues do they sack him before Summer? Do they give him a chance to rebuild in League Two? Do they sack him if they flop first 10 games of the following season? I don't even care about the money aspect of it either given how much money they've pissed away too. The owners clearly haven't got a scooby about football, they're a much smaller club than us and we're not exactly big time ourselves. I even heard Jim McNulty of Rochdale rejected them last month so there's obviously huge concerns with how that club is run if he's not willing to jump up two leagues himself.

For his long term prospects, he's genuinely better off staying with us. We may well swap leagues with Burton next season. I'm confident we'll get investment ourselves at some point in 2025 so why not stick around, get a promotion on your CV and hopefully we'll be in an even stronger place next season. And if he does leave us eventually, it'll be for a much more attractive proposition than Burton I'm sure.

 

[lordofthepies]

If it was someone like Bolton who are surely on the verge of sacking Evatt then I'd expect him to be approached and leave.

But this is Burton. I don't care about the newfound riches they have. They probably have one of the lowest ceilings for growth in the 92 given how surrounded they are by bigger clubs in all directions. They're almost dead certs to go down this season. Yeah Bell would get a pay rise but if the stink continues do they sack him before Summer? Do they give him a chance to rebuild in League Two? Do they sack him if they flop first 10 games of the following season? I don't even care about the money aspect of it either given how much money they've pissed away too. The owners clearly haven't got a scooby out of football, they're a much smaller club than us and we're not exactly big time ourselves. I even heard Jim McNulty of Rochdale rejected them last month so there's obviously huge concerns with how that club is run if he's not willing to jump up two leagues himself.

For his long term prospects, he's genuinely better off staying with us. We may well swap leagues with Burton next season. I'm confident we'll get investment ourselves at some point in 2025 so why not stick around, get a promotion on your CV and hopefully we'll be in an even stronger place next season. And if he does leave us eventually, it'll be for a much more attractive proposition than Burton I'm sure.

Logically, everything you say is correct. I think there's two issues though - Burton are offering life-changing money and Charlie Grant has made no attempt to get him to stay.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Logically, everything you say is correct. I think there's two issues though - Burton are offering life-changing money and Charlie Grant has made no attempt to get him to stay.

First point - Great for his own financial security. Not so great if they're on a rotten run that he gets sacked before the end of the season without a chance to rebuild and his career and reputation in tatters. I'd stick it out for a bigger and more stable club.

Second point - News probably caught him by surprise as it would most our fanbase. But we will see what happens in the next few days or so.

If I was offered a job by another company I'd love to talk to see what I'm offered then go back and force my current bosses hand if possible. I know rolling contracts burned them in the past with Davis but he's deserving of a pay rise for sure and I'm sure the club will come to their senses and give him an improved deal. I just can't see us losing him to Burton when Rochdale's manager didn't jump at the chance to go two leagues above his current level either.

 

[lordofthepies]

First point - Great for his own financial security. Not so great if they're on a rotten run that he gets sacked before the end of the season without a chance to rebuild and his career and reputation in tatters. I'd stick it out for a bigger and more stable club.

Second point - News probably caught him by surprise as it would most our fanbase. But we will see what happens in the next few days or so.

If I was offered a job by another company I'd love to talk to see what I'm offered then go back and force my current bosses hand if possible. I know rolling contracts burned them in the past with Davis but he's deserving of a pay rise for sure and I'm sure the club will come to their senses and give him an improved deal. I just can't see us losing him to Burton when Rochdale's manager didn't jump at the chance to go two leagues above his current level either.

I completely agree with you and hope he sees it the same way.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1868563772065104071

As anticipated. If the Rochdale and Derry City managers are turning Burton down, then Bell certainly isn't leaving a club in a better position than those two for Burton either.

Serious issues going on at Burton if they still haven't appointed a manager yet.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1868581008892907935

Another one officially turns Burton down.