Martinez

[smat]

I'll need a shower here after defending Moyes, but I don't think the last two jobs he has had should reflect on his ability to manager Everton again. The United job was always too big for him, to touch on Skinner's point about his ceiling. It was a shit decision from day one and should never had happened, the fact United have barely improved under Van Gaal doesn't really detract from that. And I don't believe he was ready for managing a team in another country like what happened with Sociedad, his brand of management, the only one he's capable of, simply doesn't suit it.

If Everton and the fans don't mind going back to what they had with Moyes, I think it would be a good decision to take him back. The problem is whether they will be happy with that. His football style is shit, but effective. If they want something more exciting to watch, they will need to take a further chance and go elsewhere.

I see what you mean, I'm just not as certain as you about it. Football seems to be in transition and I think some managers are getting left behind. Maybe he's one of them.

Also Moyes's Everton could play some great stuff. Defensively sound, yes, but not necessarily defensive.

 

[Pagnell]

I see what you mean, I'm just not as certain as you about it. Football seems to be in transition and I think some managers are getting left behind. Maybe he's one of them.

Also Moyes's Everton could play some great stuff. Defensively sound, yes, but not necessarily defensive.

I'm not certain about it, I just think it's likely a case of more of the same should he return, which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

And occasionally I saw Everton play some great games under him, to the point of being enjoyable to watch. But I don't think it's unfair to say it was more the exception than the rule.

 

[gjb]

Dont want Moyes back. In 11 years didn't win a single away league game against Liverpool Arsenal Chelsea or Man U. He took us as far as he could. Need someone who can take us to another level.

 

[Destruction]

Dont want Moyes back. In 11 years didn't win a single away league game against Liverpool Arsenal Chelsea or Man U. He took us as far as he could. Need someone who can take us to another level.

You probably finished 5th to 8th on average under Moyes. Who are you expecting to come in and deliver top four football on a regular basis mate?

 

[G-Dragon]

Unless Everton get backed up by some Sheikhs, I can't see them getting a top class manager and players.

 

[MJA]

I think it is clear that Martinez's time at Everton is up. Even at 11 v 11 last night, Everton were in no way in the match and never looked like threatening Liverpool and defensively they were diabolical. When Martinez had to earn his wage and try to change things around, particularly following the red card, he failed miserably - just seems to me like he has no plan b and struggles to adapt to how a match is being played. Any decent manager should be able to see things happening during games and make changes accordingly to try and turn things back into their favour.

As for who's next, I'm not really sure but I wouldn't go back to Moyes if I was Everton's hierarchy. 2nd comings never seem to be as good as the first time round (unless you're Eddie Howe of course)

 

[MJA]

Unless Everton get backed up by some Sheikhs, I can't see them getting a top class manager and players.

Do they need many players as the squad stands now? The Everton squad isn't full of average players is it, in fact I would say they have a fairly strong spine to their starting 11. Maybe a new goalkeeper, although Joel seems to be a pretty good keeper and will no doubt get better with more game time, and a couple of new faces to freshen certain areas up but this current squad seems to me to be one that should be competing with the likes of West Ham and Southampton. The difference between West Ham, Southampton (and others) is that they have managers able to get the best out of their players, particularly their big players, and who are able to react when things aren't quite going their way

 

[johnnytodd]

I think it is clear that Martinez's time at Everton is up. Even at 11 v 11 last night, Everton were in no way in the match and never looked like threatening Liverpool and defensively they were diabolical. When Martinez had to earn his wage and try to change things around, particularly following the red card, he failed miserably - just seems to me like he has no plan b and struggles to adapt to how a match is being played. Any decent manager should be able to see things happening during games and make changes accordingly to try and turn things back into their favour.

As for who's next, I'm not really sure but I wouldn't go back to Moyes if I was Everton's hierarchy. 2nd comings never seem to be as good as the first time round (unless you're Eddie Howe of course)

Dont forget we had a left back at right back last night and the only fully fit player in defence or middle of the park got sent off after 45 mins

This is where Martinez blew it, he keeps claiming we have a phenomenal squad but then risks players who aren't fit.

This is no way an excuse for losing to an average Liverpool team but we made it too easy, our squad needs improving...........Villa would have beat Everton last night.

 

[Smudge]

Moyes had plenty of good sides with good players in. The problem with Moyes is that by nature, he's an underdog. It's just not in him to build a side who is build to win, he builds a side not to lose. I wouldn't have I'm back, purely because I don't believe in going back. He had 11 years here, he had his time and it's time for someone else. I'm not entirely sure who, as I honestly don't know how this takeover will affect us and how high we can aim. In the immediate short term though, the important thing is that he needs to go now. This isn't going to improve as long as Martinez is here, and it won't necessarily if we sack him. It can't possibly be worse though. Sack him now, one of the coaches like Ferguson or Usworth caretaker, while the club spend that time having a good look at who we get in the summer.

Swerve Rodgers, another riddler like Martinez. All mouth and clichés when everyone else saw a completely different game.

 

[johnnytodd]

Moyes had plenty of good sides with good players in. The problem with Moyes is that by nature, he's an underdog. It's just not in him to build a side who is build to win, he builds a side not to lose. I wouldn't have I'm back, purely because I don't believe in going back. He had 11 years here, he had his time and it's time for someone else. I'm not entirely sure who, as I honestly don't know how this takeover will affect us and how high we can aim. In the immediate short term though, the important thing is that he needs to go now. This isn't going to improve as long as Martinez is here, and it won't necessarily if we sack him. It can't possibly be worse though. Sack him now, one of the coaches like Ferguson or Usworth caretaker, while the club spend that time having a good look at who we get in the summer.

Swerve Rodgers, another riddler like Martinez. All mouth and clichés when everyone else saw a completely different game.

phenomenal post !

 

[Smudge]

Now do you mean phenomenal like Martinez means it, or like everyone else does?

 

[Pagnell]

Moyes had plenty of good sides with good players in. The problem with Moyes is that by nature, he's an underdog. It's just not in him to build a side who is build to win, he builds a side not to lose. I wouldn't have I'm back, purely because I don't believe in going back. He had 11 years here, he had his time and it's time for someone else. I'm not entirely sure who, as I honestly don't know how this takeover will affect us and how high we can aim. In the immediate short term though, the important thing is that he needs to go now. This isn't going to improve as long as Martinez is here, and it won't necessarily if we sack him. It can't possibly be worse though. Sack him now, one of the coaches like Ferguson or Usworth caretaker, while the club spend that time having a good look at who we get in the summer.

Swerve Rodgers, another riddler like Martinez. All mouth and clichés when everyone else saw a completely different game.

Would you sack him before the FA Cup semi this weekend? And do you think it could improve the chances of winning? I'd say it would myself, he's completely lost it and I suspect even a caretaker manager would improve performances as things stand. One win in nine in the league and United, despite being little more than mediocre themselves this season, are likely to end your season as things stand. There is no chance of relegation so, as you say, get rid now and take your time getting in the right replacement.

 

[Pagnell]

OK, their season is now officially over. No point in getting rid before the end now. The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he was still there next season.

 

[MJA]

OK, their season is now officially over. No point in getting rid before the end now. The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he was still there next season.

There is no way whatsoever that he will be in charge next season. So the big question is, who will be in charge next season? I asked the question in the box earlier as to whether Pellegrini might fancy it as a final challenge before he retires?

 

[JimJams]

Well Pellegrini is gash so why bother?

De Boer or Cocu? Big names at the biggest Dutch clubs, Everton is a natural step into a tougher league.

 

[Stevencc]

OK, their season is now officially over. No point in getting rid before the end now. The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he was still there next season.

That sounds depressingly familiar.

At least with regards to the league.

 

[Pagnell]

Well Pellegrini is gash so why bother?

To be fair, this time 12 months ago most people would have said the same of Ranieri.

 

[gjb]

I would have no problem with Pellegrini as manager, but how about Marcello Bielsa?

 

[Destruction]

I would have no problem with Pellegrini as manager, but how about Marcello Bielsa?

This ain't Football Manager mate. What exactly is it about Bielsa that makes you think he'd be a suitable candidate for the Ev?

 

[gjb]

This ain't Football Manager mate. What exactly is it about Bielsa that makes you think he'd be a suitable candidate for the Ev?

His use of the 3-3-1-3 versatile attacking system, with spare-man defensive philosophy. His tactical nous and insistence on hard work.
Present Everton team does little to stop opposition from playing, Bielsa would cure that. I believe Pochettino is a 'disciple' of his.

 

[Destruction]

His use of the 3-3-1-3 versatile attacking system, with spare-man defensive philosophy. His tactical nous and insistence on hard work.
Present Everton team does little to stop opposition from playing, Bielsa would cure that. I believe Pochettino is a 'disciple' of his.

Yeah we know all that mate, there is no doubting he has been a football innovator. But the key word is has. His last good season was 2011/12. And does he even speak English?

Why not look at someone like Eddie Howe?

 

[JimJams]

To be fair, this time 12 months ago most people would have said the same of Ranieri.

And look at those idiots now! Ranieri finished 2nd with Chelsea and knocked the Invincibles out of Europe, in his time here Ranieri did alright. Now he's back and he's exceeding all expectations. Is Pellegrini? With a squad with players that individually cost more than some clubs entire squads, £40million substitutes, £50mill players he can drop or can afford not to play because they aren't the biggest or best player at the club. And he's pissing about in 4th place. What the fuck is he going to do with a club like Everton? Win the Intertoto cup maybe?

 

[Smudge]

I agree Im not a fan of Pellegrini. End of the day, the money, resources and players he's had at City, they should have won bloody everything the last few years.

As Ive said, I think given the takeover, the new TV deal etc. we will be fairly attractive to a lot of foreign coaches. Ive heard De Boer mentioned, worth a go I suppose. If we're looking closer to home, I'd want Alan Stubbs. Served his coaching apprenticeship with the kids teams with us, and has done quite well at Hibs. The last bloody half decent leader and defensive organiser we had in the team as well.

 

[Renegade]

I guess everyone's forgotten the amazing job Pellegrini did with Villarreal on a measly budget. He would be a huge upgrade for Everton, I think he could get a better job elsewhere though. Just because he hasn't succeeded at the highest level with City (he arguably has considering he won the league during his tenure), doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to improve the fortunes of a mid-table side like Everton.

He made Villarreal a Champions League side, he got them to a Champions League semi-final and finished second in a league which has Barcelona and Real Madrid in it. With Villarreal. A team that only made its debut in La Liga a few seasons earlier. He also led Malaga to the Champions League for the first time in their history. Gash?

Like Ranieri and Rafa, he couldn't succeed at the biggest clubs and couldn't achieve their definitions of "success", but there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be a fantastic appointment for Everton. The pressures at those elite clubs are far in excess of what he'd have to deal with at teams that should be challenging for the Europa League, like Villarreal and Malaga. He significantly overachieved with those clubs. Everton hasn't had a manager of his calibre in the Premiership era. His teams play sexy football too.

Martinez is a goner anyway, it was fun to watch while it lasted.

 

[Smudge]

Sadly, I think Martinez is safe. Video of Kenwright going round last night calling him a wonderful man. Great, how nice you are is now a prerequisite for being our manager. Mother Teresa was pretty boss, but I bet she didn't know how to organise a defence!

Bet she knew Kevin Mirallas is a better left wing option than Tom Cleverley though. ..

 

[smat]

Sadly, I think Martinez is safe. Video of Kenwright going round last night calling him a wonderful man. Great, how nice you are is now a prerequisite for being our manager. Mother Teresa was pretty boss, but I bet she didn't know how to organise a defence!

Bet she knew Kevin Mirallas is a better left wing option than Tom Cleverley though. ..

Tbf Kenwright is now far from the majority shareholder, is that right? Isn't the other guy more likely to be calling the shots?

 

[rudebwoyben]

Could be softening the blow of the forthcoming managerial change..

 

[Smudge]

Tbf Kenwright is now far from the majority shareholder, is that right? Isn't the other guy more likely to be calling the shots?

I would have thought so. But even though Bill is no longer majority shareholder or chairman, Moshiri apparently trusts his judgement on football matters...God help us...

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Should we expect quite a poisonous atmosphere on Saturday then?

 

[JimJams]

Oh I see Mark. He's Iranian so he must have something to do with chemical weapons.

Fucking outrageous.