National League Play offs Thread 2016. Who will win?

[Sparrow]

Definitely wasn't Jon Parkin unless he has the ability to be in two places at once. No - the assistant is only allowed in the technical area if the manager is sat on the bench. Two people are not allowed to be in the technical area at any one time which is presumably why Lenny Pidgeley was being a prick under the guise of 'warming up'

So the manager and his assistant can't both be stood up in the technical area at the same time? In that case, Garry Hill and Steve Thompson have been breaking that rule every week for five years!

 

[LeWhites]

Interesting one, the rules of the game arent actually specific on the number, only on the number giving instructions at any one time. There may well be rules for the National League but I cant find them.

"the number of persons permitted to occupy the technical area is defined by the competition rules • the occupants of the technical area are identifi ed before the beginning of the match in accordance with the competition rules • only one person at a time is authorised to convey tactical instructions from the technical area"

Of course the 4th is right there, its up to him to keep this rule properly, they are all miked up, so I can only assume that the infringement wasnt considered much by the ref. Quite how subs can get out of their seats if this rule is followed as tightly as you wish is beyond me

I know for a fact you're not allowed two staff members in the technical area at any one time in the National League. Obviously subs can walk through the technical area to warm up and stand with the 4th official but to be stood in the technical area throughout the match doing a hamstring stretch every so often to get away with it isn't right - probably one of those rules that referees/4th officials just don't enforce.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not overly bothered and it had no affect on the result but it's more unnecessary anti-football shithousery from the whiter than white Forest Green.

 

[EnglishRed]

I'd imagine the solidarity payments for Braintree if they were in League 2 would massively increase their budget, possibly doubling it.

Probably. I guess that's why Accrington can maintain a competative squad on similar attendances to FGR. You do become reliant on that money though I'd imagine, which would be a problem if you came down and couldn't get straight back up.

 

[UpnDown]

Of course they would of you idiot they're about an hour and a half closer to Dover -_- muppet.

And Dover can't moan about injuries, we now have wedgebury, jj, Kelly all out now so that's a pointless excuse.

So what if it's closer. If it's the biggest game in the history of the club you "support" then you will travel. I'm stating fact, your away following for a game as big as that is shit and should never get the chance to tarnish the football league.

 

[Tom Fgr]

So what if it's closer. If it's the biggest game in the history of the club you "support" then you will travel. I'm stating fact, your away following for a game as big as that is shit and should never get the chance to tarnish the football league.

Oh just stop with all this shit. It's boring and vet repetitive.

This forum used to be a good place to discuss the game,now it's just a battleground to slam attendences. Surely we should all pull together, we all share the same passion of supporting our local teams in the 5th tier. Pretty impressive amongst all the plastic glory supporting premier league fans about nowadays

 

[LeWhites]

I'm sure all the Forest Green supporters who couldn't make it for one reason or another to almost every away game this season will have absolutely no problems freeing up next Sunday and finding transport to London should you get to Wembley.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Surely people can see the difficulties in arranging time off and transport to get from Nailsworth to Dover at such short notice?

 

[Pablosammy]

Oh just stop with all this shit. It's boring and vet repetitive.

This forum used to be a good place to discuss the game,now it's just a battleground to slam attendences. Surely we should all pull together, we all share the same passion of supporting our local teams in the 5th tier. Pretty impressive amongst all the plastic glory supporting premier league fans about nowadays

If you're asking me to feel a sense of solidarity with the bankrolled clubs spending way beyond their means at this level, it ain't going to happen. Sorry.

 

[CrazyImp]

I would like Grimsby to win this evening.

Nothing personal against Braintree.

 

[PaulHaddock]

I'd also like us to win this evening. But with our goals drying up, Braintree's defence and our form against Braintree, I'm not filled with confidence at all.

 

[Tom Fgr]

If you're asking me to feel a sense of solidarity with the bankrolled clubs spending way beyond their means at this level, it ain't going to happen. Sorry.

No, just with the fans on the fans forum. I've been supporting FGR since I was 9/10 years old so have seen the changes from a relegation threatened club to where we are now. Just becomes very repetitive and frustrating coming on here to people just moaning about attendences. Why shouldn't a club be allowed to build and grow a fan base?

 

[Luke Imp]

Definitely wasn't Jon Parkin unless he has the ability to be in two places at once. No - the assistant is only allowed in the technical area if the manager is sat on the bench. Two people are not allowed to be in the technical area at any one time which is presumably why Lenny Pidgeley was being a prick under the guise of 'warming up'

Never knew that. Seems stupid and something we've never been reprimanded for in our time down here!

I did know, however, that the management team aren't allowed onto the pitch at the end of the game while the ref and assistants are still on it. Simpson got reminded of that a couple of seasons back.

 

[GTFCfish]

This thread is absolutely thrilling at the minute.*

*I may be lying.

 

[veggieeater]

So the manager and his assistant can't both be stood up in the technical area at the same time? In that case, Garry Hill and Steve Thompson have been breaking that rule every week for five years!

Thats exactly what I was pointing out, the FIFA rule seems to be that no two people can be shouting instructions out at any time (that does happen as well sometimes!). There is no specific on the number in the technical area, which is why week in week out managers deputies Physios and players are in and out of the technical area.

If you want to moan about happenings in a technical area then I think GTFC probably have the best claim after one of the Cheltenham players chose to prevent the ball returning to play during the recent GTFC Vs Cheltenham match. IIRC didnt they lie on it or at last wasted as much time as possible.

LeWhites needs to look at rules before creating facts.

Anyway, glad Manu by this threads reckoning have to win the PL annually as they have the highest home attendence. time to move on-

I rather dread to see what GTFC will be doing with their line up tonight. Hurst is the equivalent of the lad Sid in Toy Story creating defenders from midfielders, fiddling around with different strikers when the leading striker in the league was on form and sticking it all together.

 

[les.gtfc]

I'd also like us to win this evening. But with our goals drying up, Braintree's defence and our form against Braintree, I'm not filled with confidence at all.

Ah, but they've never faced the might of the Amond/Bogle partnership yet.

In the away game it was Bogle and Tomlinson with Podge sat on the bench all game and in the home game it was Podge and Hoban until Bogle replaced Podge.

They ain't gonna know what's hit em tonight.

(*as long as PH plays them together)

 

[LeWhites]

Thats exactly what I was pointing out, the FIFA rule seems to be that no two people can be shouting instructions out at any time (that does happen as well sometimes!). There is no specific on the number in the technical area, which is why week in week out managers deputies Physios and players are in and out of the technical area.

If you want to moan about happenings in a technical area then I think GTFC probably have the best claim after one of the Cheltenham players chose to prevent the ball returning to play during the recent GTFC Vs Cheltenham match. IIRC didnt they lie on it or at last wasted as much time as possible.

LeWhites needs to look at rules before creating facts.

Anyway, glad Manu by this threads reckoning have to win the PL annually as they have the highest home attendence. time to move on-

I rather dread to see what GTFC will be doing with their line up tonight. Hurst is the equivalent of the lad Sid in Toy Story creating defenders from midfielders, fiddling around with different strikers when the leading striker in the league was on form and sticking it all together.

One thing I do know for sure is that the rules state that no more than one person is allowed in the technical area - I know this because a friend of mine used to sit on our bench and we got warned about having assistant & manager in the technical area at the same time - maybe the rule is just shouting instructions, I don't know - but I'm sure the spirit of the rules if not the direct wording of it means that you cannot have a coach standing in the technical area impacting on the game.

 

[GTFCfish]

I've persuaded a Gillingham fan at work to part with £16 to go and sample the Blundell Park play off atmosphere tonight in the Pontoon, i dare say he will probably not be speaking to me tomorrow after watching the drabbest 0 - 0 in history with 1 shot on target each!

 

[Pablosammy]

I've persuaded a Gillingham fan at work to part with £16 to go and sample the Blundell Park play off atmosphere tonight in the Pontoon, i dare say he will probably not be speaking to me tomorrow after watching the drabbest 0 - 0 in history with 1 shot on target each!

I once convinced a Gillingham fan I work with to go to a Tranmere game (Morecambe away). We've had a somewhat icy relationship ever since. Be careful.

 

[veggieeater]

One thing I do know for sure is that the rules state that no more than one person is allowed in the technical area - I know this because a friend of mine used to sit on our bench and we got warned about having assistant & manager in the technical area at the same time - maybe the rule is just shouting instructions, I don't know - but I'm sure the spirit of the rules if not the direct wording of it means that you cannot have a coach standing in the technical area impacting on the game.

But the laws do not back that up- the FIFA rules I quoted word for word, almost all games Ive seen this season at least 2 sometimes 3 are often in the technical area for both sides. Both Worthing and Lincoln as commented above have 2 at least. Was the ref that warned you Brett Huxtable by any chance?
Of course you can have a coach in the area impacting on the game, what else is the point of shouting instructions if they dont impact on the game?
Sorry * that you lost but honestly blaming someone extra in the technical area is the least likely reason

(*not really)

 

[Silver Stone]

For what it's worth, we took 200 down to Truro last night.

 

[Chris FGR]

No, just with the fans on the fans forum. I've been supporting FGR since I was 9/10 years old so have seen the changes from a relegation threatened club to where we are now. Just becomes very repetitive and frustrating coming on here to people just moaning about attendences. Why shouldn't a club be allowed to build and grow a fan base?

Everyone used to like us when we were shit. We should take it as a compliment, it's amusing that they're trying to bash us now, we're a threat to them and they know it. Our crowds are growing, and will carry on growing in the next few years.

Like Rudbwoyben said, it's not that easy travelling 180 odds miles at short notice via the M4 and M25 on a Wednesday night, so 112 odd isn't that bad.

For what it's worth, we took 200 down to Truro last night.

As you should. You're a reformed ex league club from a big town who get bigger crowds then us.

 

[LeWhites]

But the laws do not back that up- the FIFA rules I quoted word for word, almost all games Ive seen this season at least 2 sometimes 3 are often in the technical area for both sides. Both Worthing and Lincoln as commented above have 2 at least. Was the ref that warned you Brett Huxtable by any chance?
Of course you can have a coach in the area impacting on the game, what else is the point of shouting instructions if they dont impact on the game?
Sorry * that you lost but honestly blaming someone extra in the technical area is the least likely reason

(*not really)

Is reading not a strong point of yours? Read my quote below... It had no bearing on the result, but it's childish and against the rules. Bollocks like that is so unnecessary - on a similar level to ballboys wasting time, keepers swapping sides when taking goal kicks, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not overly bothered and it had no affect on the result but it's more unnecessary anti-football shithousery from the whiter than white Forest Green.

The FIFA rules you quoted stated that you're not allowed two people shouting instructions from the technical area - as you said, why would a coach need to stand in the technical area if he's not going to be shouting instructions or throwing the ball away?

 

[JJ1532]

Come on Grimsby, git er dun! The other 3 choices look horrendous.

 

[Chris FGR]

Virtually every club that have visited us this season have had at least 2 people stood in the technical area for the vast majority of the game. Not once has any 4th official said anything about that, or them constantly stepping over the line out of their technical area.

 

[LeWhites]

Virtually every club that have visited us this season have had at least 2 people stood in the technical area for the vast majority of the game. Not once has any 4th official said anything about that, or them constantly stepping over the line out of their technical area.

Which is also against the rules - just because referees do nothing about it doesn't make it right. It's not the being in the technical area that I was taking issue with anyway, but you know that.

 

[veggieeater]

Is reading not a strong point of yours? Read my quote below... It had no bearing on the result, but it's childish and against the rules. Bollocks like that is so unnecessary - on a similar level to ballboys wasting time, keepers swapping sides when taking goal kicks, etc.



The FIFA rules you quoted stated that you're not allowed two people shouting instructions from the technical area - as you said, why would a coach need to stand in the technical area if he's not going to be shouting instructions or throwing the ball away?

"only one person at a time is authorised to convey tactical instructions from the technical area" is my quote from the rules, hence shouting at different times, well within the rules.

I agree time wasting is terrible, its actually conning the fans who loose significant time in the game- really if it were that bad last night then they should have been booked/ sent to the stand. I didnt see it as being that bad, but theres always 2 views to a story. See you for the second leg- cant wait. Its very close, If it goes to pens will Modeste get a second chance if he dives during his pen

 

[stupot]

Weird comment, that. Given the injuries to Raggett and Braham-Barrett we had nobody on the bench who would have played any better than the side we put out - except maybe Sterling in for Thomas. The thing with CK's football is when we play bad, it is awful and bordering on unwatchable - however the same tactics sometimes click and we score 3 or 4 with ease.

Hence my point about tactics, for once go 4-4-2, match FGR up like of like more so as they controlled the midfield and Dover certainly had the players to do that.

We created chances, Miller should've scored in the first half but for an incredible save. With Raggett in the side we'll win more in the air both attacking and defending set pieces. Miller did well against Clough and like you say, had the beating of him when he got the ball down. Where we shine is getting the ball out to the wings quickly (call it long ball/hoof ball if you will), with Payne and Modeste using their pace and linking up with Deverdics and Miller in the middle. It's worked more often than not this season - harsh to blame Kinnear for sticking to what has been a successful tactic all season.

Hence my point about tactics, it has obviously worked well all season, and am knocking non one for that fact, but last night it didn't, and it was clear that it wouldn't after fifteen minutes. When that happens, most managers would change things, that's called tactics, and if you want the wingers to see more of the ball, let the full backs, or for the first time even Walker, just roll it to them perhaps

In the second half Forest Green never really looked like scoring and even their first half goal came from an absolute gift from our defence - the ball should've been cleared at least 4 times before finding the net.

Just watched the match again, and it was comical, woeful defending, and you are right again, they never looked like scoring in the second half, but on reflection we didn't make the keeper work once, not once. To be at home in the play off that's reallydisappointing

Whilst it would be absurd to blame the referee for the defeat, the match would have turned out differently had the red cards been shown when they could/should have been - particularly given that it is over two legs.
Do we not all only remember the ones against us. I too thought it was a red, more so after having now seen it again, but didn't Payne do an even worse one a couple of weeks ago against Torquay?
I hate blaming the refs.

As a side note, who was that massive lump in the Forest Green technical area kicking the ball away whenever it came near him and "warming up" for the entire second half? I thought only the manager was allowed in the technical area?

I still think Dover can do, but they will just have to play a hell of a lot better, and desperately need to attack Clough on the floor,because for his qualities in the air, get him turned, attack him and he could well be their achiles heel

 

[Solihull Mooron]

I'm routing for Braintree tonight. I like Grimsby, but would like to go back there next season and think it would be great if a part time team got promoted to the Football league.

 

[Southern Shayman]

No point moaning to us on here, I think we all went.

We best stop moaning about refs and players then.

 

[Back in the DHSS]

Everyone used to like us when we were shit. We should take it as a compliment, it's amusing that they're trying to bash us now, we're a threat to them and they know it. Our crowds are growing, and will carry on growing in the next few years.

Like Rudbwoyben said, it's not that easy travelling 180 odds miles at short notice via the M4 and M25 on a Wednesday night, so 112 odd isn't that bad.



As you should. You're a reformed ex league club from a big town who get bigger crowds then us.

With promotion to the football league at stake, 112 is just abysmal. Sorry but you don't get much bigger games than this in non league.