Next to go......

[lordofthepies]

Haha that would be a massive shithouse move, can't see it working but can you imagine the furore if it did? Shoud at least provide for a brusque and entertaining exchange of views between the Vale and Crewe fans on this forum and several threads of the stuff.

Precedent suggests that we should get the points

 

[shoddycollins]

Precedent suggests that we should get the points

what precedent?

 

[GodsGift]

Doncaster didn't get the points after Bolton cancelled their game, so why should Crewe? One almighty mess for the EFL.

 

[Casey]

If Macc start cancelling league games I fear for them.

Once the first game is cancelled it becomes easier to cancel the next and so on.

Wishing you well.

Casey

 

[shoddycollins]

If Macc start cancelling league games I fear for them.

Once the first game is cancelled it becomes easier to cancel the next and so on.

Wishing you well.

Casey

I'm sure if they can arrange for their pitch to get waterlogged they can postpone a whole raft of games with no long-term consequences

 

[lordofthepies]

Doncaster didn't get the points after Bolton cancelled their game, so why should Crewe? One almighty mess for the EFL.

Cos it was for a different reason. When Bolton had a game postponed because their players refused to play, their opponents were given the points.

 

[lordofthepies]

what precedent?

Last time a team didn't play because their players refused to play, their opponents were given the points.

 

[lordofthepies]

Although I've just realised that might have only been the case cos it was right at the end of the season so I dunno

 

[shoddycollins]

Although I've just realised that might have only been the case cos it was right at the end of the season so I dunno

Yeah in terms of the rules, postponed games have to be played before four days after the end of the season so Brentford were only awarded the points once it was no longer possible to set a date to play it. The previous time, was Huddersfield v Blackpool abandoned following a pitch invasion and that was given as a 0-0 but in both situations nothing major was at stake so the teams affected grudgingly accepted the outcome

 

[kieran_vale]

I can kind of see what Crewe are getting at in terms of being awarded the points in fairness to them.

Either way more importantly I hope things can resolve themselves for Macclesfield. Does seem however from the outside looking in it will be an almighty struggle for them to last the season out at this rate.

 

[Buxton Vale]

"The EFL will meet the players of Macclesfield Town to discuss the current situation at the Club, amid ongoing concern of the impact of late payments of wages on the health and wellbeing of those involved and their willingness to fulfil the Club’s scheduled League Two fixture against Crewe Alexandra on Saturday 7 December and potentially other fixtures moving forward.

The EFL notes today’s latest statement from the players at the Club alongside the recent comments made by the majority shareholder Mr Alkadhi, and it is clear there are challenges to be overcome. The League has significant sympathy for the players and employees, who continue to feel the substantial impact of the continued financial challenges.

The EFL also notes the adjournment decision taken by the High Court on Wednesday in respect of the HMRC winding up order served against Macclesfield Town.

Since first being alerted to the financial challenges faced by the Club, the EFL has worked tirelessly in an attempt to source an appropriate resolution, utilising central payments to ensure players and staff were paid whilst the owner has looked to find a sustainable longer term solution to the ongoing issues. It remains the Club’s obligation to find a way to deliver on the commitments it has made both in private and public to the current issues being faced.

Last month Macclesfield Town was charged with misconduct under EFL Regulation 63.7 and referred to a Disciplinary Commission for failing to pay its players on the applicable payment due dates, with a hearing to be held later this month.

While the EFL, who will continue to provide all available support, fully understands the reasons for the position adopted by the players and their current concerns, it must also ensure the integrity of the League is maintained. Therefore, the Club will be subject to a further misconduct charge under Regulation 31.2 for non-fulfilment of fixtures if Saturday’s match does not take place as scheduled."

 

[valefan16]

Crewe getting the points would cause a huge uproar and rightly so... let’s say they win promotion by 1-2 points can you imagine the issues for the complaints from the teams just missing out to them.

The past has mixed outcomes, Boro v Blackburn got replayed with Boro getting docked points, Blackpool v Huddersfield abandoned with a 0-0. Doncaster v Bolton replayed.

EFL have a right mess on their hands this season.

That said as it stands it’s looking more likely anyone who’s got points against Macclesfield will lose them soon sadly.

As I’ve said before why did the EFL let them sign players when they hadn’t paid last seasons and seen many walk away from their contracts?! Nuts.

Assume points deductions are inevitable even if they survive be it via administration or sanctions.

 

[The Terminator]

Surely the fans should arrange some sort of protest outside the ground on Saturday at 3pm? This is beyond taking the piss now, this bloke is just making mugs out of everyone: Fans, players and the EFL.

This bloke has to be pushed out before he does anymore lasting damage.

Sol Campbell can also fuck off as well for his recent comments about winding the club up after they gave him a job as a manager after no one else would.

 

[Crewelad87]

I've got a feeling one way or another the game is going to ahead. The EFL statement was about as clear as mud. I have great sympathy for the Macc players and fans. But if this game doesn't go ahead tomorrow, we should most definitely get the 3 points. Playing it at a later date on a Tuesday night detrimental to our promotion hopes, Macc have a player suspended tomorrow also, why should we suffer for something way out of our control.

Hopefully if the game does go ahead, they let us know early enough tomorrow so I can go and get myself a ticket, unless they will sell some to away fans on the day.

 

[valefan16]

I've got a feeling one way or another the game is going to ahead. The EFL statement was about as clear as mud. I have great sympathy for the Macc players and fans. But if this game doesn't go ahead tomorrow, we should most definitely get the 3 points. Playing it at a later date on a Tuesday night detrimental to our promotion hopes, Macc have a player suspended tomorrow also, why should we suffer for something way out of our control.

Hopefully if the game does go ahead, they let us know early enough tomorrow so I can go and get myself a ticket, unless they will sell some to away fans on the day.

“Gifting” three points would completely make a mockery of the league. The player suspension bit is laughable too, if it was postponed because of weather or a cup clash or Internationals the player would miss the next tie and is beyond control of the team playing. It would be like Walsall wanting three points if our game on Saturday got P-P as they’d have to face Worrall and Joyce in the rearranged game.

The fact Crewe are in a promotion battle is the exact reason they shouldn’t be gifted the points as it takes away the integrity of the league.

If it doesn’t go ahead Macclesfield should be docked three points and the game replayed (if they are not wound up in which case it will be irrelevant)

League One is a mess because half the league got to wallop Bolton’s kids for an easy three points whilst the other half had to play a fully equipped experienced side... lessons must be learnt with Macclesfield to avoid L2 being a farce if this situation continues.

 

[valefan16]

Surely the fans should arrange some sort of protest outside the ground on Saturday at 3pm? This is beyond taking the piss now, this bloke is just making mugs out of everyone: Fans, players and the EFL.

This bloke has to be pushed out before he does anymore lasting damage.

Sol Campbell can also fuck off as well for his recent comments about winding the club up after they gave him a job as a manager after no one else would.

Not sure I blame Sol here as much of a tool as he often appears.

Didn’t he pay some players from his own pocket at one point? And had to experience working with players on low wages not getting paid. Although £180k owed suggests he was either on a huge wage (over 3k a week!) or its money he’s owed from helping other players within that.

 

[JJ1532]

I don't think the Bolton example is a precedent setter. As others have already mentioned, that was probably only done because playing the game would have taken place after the end of the season. Brentford were mid-table, Bolton already down. Neither team gained or lost anything by awarding Brentford the game and I doubt either team would complain.

This isn't even remotely the same. Macc players will want this postponed, as will all the other promotion chasing teams. I totally understand why we would ask for the points, but one extra midweek game in February or March isn't going to kill us.

I doubt we get the points, they will postpone the game and reschedule and give themselves more time to try and sort out this shit show. We'll just have to take the hit and get on with it.

 

[lordofthepies]

The fact Crewe are in a promotion battle is the exact reason they shouldn’t be gifted the points as it takes away the integrity of the league.

Any outcome, other than the game going ahead tomorrow, takes away the integrity of the league.

 

[Chris FGR]

Any outcome, other than the game going ahead tomorrow, takes away the integrity of the league.

Postponed games don't take away the integrity of the league. Happens all the time.

 

[valefan16]

Postponed games don't take away the integrity of the league. Happens all the time.

Exactly don’t see the fuss Crewe are making. We’ve postponed Morecambe to play Citeh and playing on a midweek, dare say the odd weather postponement will hit, Newport will have a few international postponements... same for all the teams.

 

[Pennywise]

Why the hell should you be awarded three points for a game you haven't even took part in let alone actually won? Ludicrous.

I'd have the exact same view if it was Vale in this situation as well. We couldn't possibly expect to be handed points just like that. It'll undoubtedly get played at a later date. It's just like a regular postponement, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

If they do go though, all the points teams have picked up against them should be taken away, and rightly so.

 

[valefan16]

Why the hell should you be awarded three points for a game you haven't even took part in let alone actually won? Ludicrous.

I'd have the exact same view if it was Vale in this situation as well. We couldn't possibly expect to be handed points just like that. It'll undoubtedly get played at a later date. It's just like a regular postponement, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it.

If they do go though, all the points teams have picked up against them should be taken away, and rightly so.

That ironically would push up the league!

 

[Valeite]

I would hope most clubs in Crewe`s position would back the Macc players in their strike and see the bigger position. The debt owed to Sol Campbell shows that the owner there, wasn`t intending paying anyone as they obviously couldn`t afford him at that rate.
Crewe are behaving like scabs and should be docked points never mind given them for their ludicrous claim in this. Bringing the game into disrepute again.

 

[valefan16]

I would hope most clubs in Crewe`s position would back the Macc players in their strike and see the bigger position. The debt owed to Sol Campbell shows that the owner there, wasn`t intending paying anyone as they obviously couldn`t afford him at that rate.
Crewe are behaving like scabs and should be docked points never mind given them for their ludicrous claim in this. Bringing the game into disrepute again.

Its just typically Crewe... their ability to make statements regarding situations is never the best.

 

[KeithH]

EFL not fit for purpose.
Good luck Macc, hope you don't suffer the same fate we did, i wouldn't even wish that on Bolton.
having no club hurts.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Who'd have thought it'd be Vale fans with the strongest opinions on us appealing. Zzzz.

 

[valefan16]

Who'd have thought it'd be Vale fans with the strongest opinions on us appealing. Zzzz.

Could be one of the sides affected by the gift if it happens.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Could be one of the sides affected by the gift if it happens.

Wouldn't worry, I fancy Macc to finish above you regardless.

 

[lordofthepies]

I would hope most clubs in Crewe`s position would back the Macc players in their strike and see the bigger position. The debt owed to Sol Campbell shows that the owner there, wasn`t intending paying anyone as they obviously couldn`t afford him at that rate.
Crewe are behaving like scabs and should be docked points never mind given them for their ludicrous claim in this. Bringing the game into disrepute again.

Absolutely laughable nonsense.

 

[lordofthepies]

Postponed games don't take away the integrity of the league. Happens all the time.

Postponed games happen all the time but not because teams fail to pay their players. Every time a game gets postponed for this kind of reason, it's a stain on the competition. It's a desperately sad situation and the EFL should be absolutely ashamed that the Macc players have been put in to this position. Suggesting it's just another postponed game is a ludicrous position to take.