Nobody needs to worry about relegation

[Chris FGR]

If FGR didn’t exist as a league club any talented youngsters in South Glos and Stroud Valley would get picked up by us or the Bristol clubs or, really, any club that has a scouting network.

Possibly. But how many of the 60 schools in our ambassadors scheme have ever been regularly visited by Swindon or the Bristol clubs. Not many. How many of the hundreds of local kids that come to our community events/youth tournaments have been able to do the same elsewhere? Very few. How many of the pensioners or people with disabilities that have been involved in our community schemes have previously had similar opportunities at those clubs? Very few. Having a football league club makes a real difference to an area, we don't have many other options in our vicinity so having one now has been a huge benefit.

 

[The_Boss]

You're the one who started on the whole, 'no relegation is a good thing' for league 2 clubs tangent.

If by saying if it happens it give clubs an opportunity to clean up their act is to be taken as a no relegation is a good thing then it just shows how narrow minded you are on this whole topic.

 

[AdamStag]

If by saying if it happens it give clubs an opportunity to clean up their act is to be taken as a no relegation is a good thing then it just shows how narrow minded you are on this whole topic.

It’s just a fundamentally ridiculous idea.

 

[Chris FGR]

It’s just a fundamentally ridiculous idea.

Works well in the US.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

I disagree. Every area of the country should be represented in the football league by at least 2 clubs. Kids in South Glos and the Stroud Valley district now have a proper academy set up they can be spotted by and involved/developed in right on their doorstep, which was already the case for most other kids in regions across the country.

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I didn't realise the impact relegation can have on a club in terms of jobs, academies etc. We now have a large full time academy structure, which is very dependent on central funding. Lose that and you damage the lives of a lot of people in an area where there aren't many other options football wise. Same applies to a lot of other league 2 clubs I'd imagine. At some point you need to think of the bigger picture. It's untenable at the minute. You could argue the same for the Premier League tbh.. Desperately trying to get up there is going to end up killing a lot of Championship clubs.

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"We now have a large full time academy structure, which is very dependent on central funding!

Dale not stumping up for this one then ?

( reminds me of solar panel and loft insulation installers - they proliferate when the taxpayer
subsidises them but run for the hills when it gets reduced or withdrawn )

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"in an area where there aren't many other options football wise"

Swindon-28m Bristol x2 - 21m Cheltenham 16m Newport 33m - all from New Lawn

 

[Chris FGR]

All of those, apart from Cheltenham, aren't even in the same county.

 

[Indian Dan]

All of those, apart from Cheltenham, aren't even in the same county.

What difference does that make?

 

[Gladders]

"in an area where there aren't many other options football wise"

Swindon-28m Bristol x2 - 21m Cheltenham 16m Newport 33m - all from New Lawn

Is that how close FGR is to those places? Jesus, the way Chris was making it out I thought Stroud was a 100 miles from anywhere close.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

The gap has already grown and it is now a tough step up

really ? every L2 side that gets relegated should bounce straight back up then

 

[Chris FGR]

Anyway just to add a disclaimer, these are my own opinions, not those of the majority of FGR fans. Most I know think I'm talking shite and there shoud be relegation, for some reason.

 

[shoddycollins]

How on Earth does Chris FGR keep suckering you guys in? Christ alive, I can understand Bradford fans falling for it because they haven't met him before but Mansfield should know better.

 

[AdamStag]

Works well in the US.

Chris the US model is nothing like ours, it doesn’t have enough clubs to have such a model in the first place - they haven’t enough clubs to hafe such a structure.

What would be the purpose in it? The level would decrease in both the conference and League 2 instantly

 

[AdamStag]

How on Earth does Chris FGR keep suckering you guys in? Christ alive, I can understand Bradford fans falling for it because they haven't met him before but Mansfield should know better.

I actually think he believes it

 

[Indian Dan]

Anyway just to add a disclaimer, these are my own opinions, not those of the majority of FGR fans. Most I know think I'm talking shite and there shoud be relegation, for some reason.

There should be relegation for one good reason - you’re worse than 22 other clubs.

The only problem with the structure as it stands is the administration of it and the more than a few rogue owners allowed to own.

 

[Chris FGR]

Chris the US model is nothing like ours, it doesn’t have enough clubs to have such a model in the first place - they haven’t enough clubs to hafe such a structure.

What would be the purpose in it? The level would decrease in both the conference and League 2 instantly

The purpose is to prevent more and more clubs collapsing, which is happening in the current system atm and is dragging down local businesses and communities with them, and also for the benefits that football brings to communities to be spread out equally throughout the country.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

Is that ho-+w close FGR is to those places? Jesus, the way Chris was making it out I thought Stroud was a 100 miles from anywhere close.

drama queen - our nearest* league ground funnily enough IS FGR @ 87m next Newport @ 100m , Cheltenham @ 118m, then Swindon @ 121m...........................Grimsby is a doddle @ 310m

you bauys don't know how lucky you are up north

*Please note ; Argiggle are not included in any Grecian's serious thought process

 

[Chris FGR]

It's not only about distance, it's about local community engagement.

Those other clubs mentioned don't get involved with our local community projects, and why would they. We're at least half an hour's drive away from all of them, often more, in a different postcode, county or in Newport's case country. If we weren't running these schemes/projects no one would be.

 

[Luke Imp]

Nothing will change until the EFL change the way they operate. The EFL is in a right mess and his been heading towards this for years.

Morecambe, Macclesfield, Oldham, Coventry, Birmingham, Bury, Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, Portsmouth, Orient and Northampton have all had/have issues with paying players and/or dodgy owners in recent years. And on top of that you've got Clubs, like Derby, who're now selling their Stadium to get around FFP.

If the penny isn't dropping at EFL HQ by now, it never will. What we're seeing is a result of lackadaisical governing from a group who've been more intent on increasing publicity of the Carabao Cup by jetting people off to Mongolia for a 2.30am cup draw.

The 'fit and proper' test isn't fit for purpose, nor are those at the top table of the EFL.

 

[GodsGift]

Nothing will change until the EFL change the way they operate. The EFL is in a right mess and his been heading towards this for years.

Morecambe, Macclesfield, Oldham, Coventry, Birmingham, Bury, Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, Portsmouth, Orient and Northampton have all had/have issues with paying players and/or dodgy owners in recent years. And on top of that you've got Clubs, like Derby, who're now selling their Stadium to get around FFP.

If the penny isn't dropping at EFL HQ by now, it never will. What we're seeing is a result of lackadaisical governing from a group who've been more intent on increasing publicity of the Carabao Cup by jetting people off to Mongolia for a 2.30am cup draw.

The 'fit and proper' test isn't fit for purpose, nor are those at the top table of the EFL.

While I agree with every word of that, where are the FA in all of this? Surely it makes sense to have a test that applies to all of English football, not just leave it to the various leagues to sort themselves. Otherwise it's inevitable you'll have differences in how the National League apply their test to the EFL and to the Premier League and vice versa.

 

[Luke Imp]

While I agree with every word of that, where are the FA in all of this? Surely it makes sense to have a test that applies to all of English football, not just leave it to the various leagues to sort themselves. Otherwise it's inevitable you'll have differences in how the National League apply their test to the EFL and to the Premier League and vice versa.

I agree.

It's currently FA/PL, EFL and NL. All working to different rules when it comes to the financial side of it all and penalties applicable.

There needs people sitting at the absolutely top table overseeing, governing and audting all four of those (you can throw the PFA into the mix, too).

 

[Luke Imp]

Another couple of things as well.

a) Fancy the EFL making Bolton start the season despite knowing/forgetting that they'd contravene a rule that they wrote...

b) Imagine 'inviting' people to partake in your competition and then not giving yourself the power to step in and interfere when the shit starts to hit the fan!

 

[shoddycollins]

I agree.

It's currently FA/PL, EFL and NL. All working to different rules when it comes to the financial side of it all and penalties applicable.

There needs people sitting at the absolutely top table overseeing, governing and audting all four of those (you can throw the PFA into the mix, too).

I think before the start of next season, the FA, EFL, PL, NL, PFA and The Fishy should all get around the table and hammer out some regulations.

 

[The Terminator]

Looks like Bury have a takeover agreed - Tickets have gone on sale for their game on Saturday.

It looks like the end is in sight for Bolton Which would mean one club will go down from this league.

 

[T.A]

Nothing has been agreed but a price to give to that slime ball Dale. No more games can be suspended.. i think its a bit odd that tickets are being sold when nothings been confirmed yet. I wonder who gave the order for it?

 

[SELatic]

What utter tosh that relegation should be scrapped to the conference. If we go down this season, and I think it’s likely we will, it’s because we deserve to. Only two teams get relegated from this league and if you are 91st and 92nd in the entire football league, you’ve done something wrong.

It’s a major shame to lose established league clubs, in the same way it was to lose Notts, Wrexham etc however that competitiveness is essential to our league game.

The real issue in my opinion is the disparity between the Premier League and the Football League due to TV and sponsorship money. If that was spread more equally, sides at the bottom would have more of a level playing field and the money at the top wouldn’t be so vast to create a boom or bust situation in the championship.

As it is, the game is fucked and Bolton/Bury will be followed by others. As much of a shame as that is, the notion that no one should go down to non league is nonsense.

 

[Bottega Don]

If Bury and Bolton do go bust, I hope the bottom two aren't reprieved from relegation. If my club are one of those that are reprieved (which is looking likely at the moment), we would be a laughing stock staying up on a technicality. If we then turned it around and got promoted from L2 the following year it would be such a joke.

 

[valefan16]

If Bury and Bolton do go bust, I hope the bottom two aren't reprieved from relegation. If my club are one of those that are reprieved (which is looking likely at the moment), we would be a laughing stock staying up on a technicality. If we then turned it around and got promoted from L2 the following year it would be such a joke.

Happened plenty of times in the 90s and before when teams won promotion only to be denied on grounds not being up to scratch... before that many stayed up on the old pals act of re-election. Crewe would probably be in the Cheshire League now had it been how it is now! Think they survived 4 or 5 times. We actually even got kicked out the football league under Sir Stanley Matthews for financial irregularities but got re-elected so didn’t actually serve the punishment.

It’s nothing new and ultimately Bolton and Bury if booted probably deserve it as clubs for their mis management to get in the mess. Fans sadly don’t deserve it mind.

 

[RLC]

The real issue in my opinion is the disparity between the Premier League and the Football League due to TV and sponsorship money. .

I think the problem now is there is not just a gulf between the Premier League and the rest, there are also massive disparities between divisions within the Football League because of the way the TV deals are structured.

Our chairman said today that if we were promoted to the Chamionship next season (we won't be, I know) our wage budget would increase from £2.5 million to £10 million overnight, purely because of the additional television money. That would still be comfortably the lowest budget in the division and we would be relegated.

It is no wonder that clubs are over-stretching themselves to try and bridge the gaps between the divisions.

 

[The_Boss]

I think the problem now is there is not just a gulf between the Premier League and the rest, there are also massive disparities between divisions within the Football League because of the way the TV deals are structured.

Our chairman said today that if we were promoted to the Chamionship next season (we won't be, I know) our wage budget would increase from £2.5 million to £10 million overnight, purely because of the additional television money. That would still be comfortably the lowest budget in the division and we would be relegated.

It is no wonder that clubs are over-stretching themselves to try and bridge the gaps between the divisions.

But sticking to the budget you can afford and being relegated is better than going bust. That's the issue here, it doesn't matter how much money clubs have, just don't spend what you haven't.

Of course absolute stains on society like Anderson and Dale should not be allowed to run clubs in that way in the first place.

 

[valefan16]

But sticking to the budget you can afford and being relegated is better than going bust. That's the issue here, it doesn't matter how much money clubs have, just don't spend what you haven't.

Of course absolute stains on society like Anderson and Dale should not be allowed to run clubs in that way in the first place.

In league one we played Bolton... they had a player (David Wheater) who was allegedly on more than our starting XI combined. Absolutely bonkers!