Nobody needs to worry about relegation

[TimeyWimey]

Unfortunately it’s long overdue. The absolute farce of clubs overspending and the instability of the game as a whole in the last 25 years is laughable. Bury basically cheated last season and for once it failed to pay off. Bad owners are another issue the “EFL” need to get a grip of but for the rest, hopefully this is a turning point in the gross mismanagement of the game as a whole and the consistent financial doping.

 

[JJ1532]

Problem lower league football has is, there aren't any decent owners left. I've said it before and I'll say it again, football is a bad business to invest in. 99% of clubs lose money hand over fist and those that don't are almost always propped up by rich owners, cup runs, player sales etc.

The decent owners got out years ago. I mean christ, look at the PL. Are the Glazers good owners? What about Kroenke at Arsenal? Bad owners are littered across the pryamid. And the good ones get no ends of criticism regardless of how well they do. So the honest and decent ones got out years ago. Sure, there are a few still dotted about, but they are few and far between.

And when the good ones go, that leaves the conmen unfortunately. Yes, I get people criticising the EFL for letting guys like Day and Dale take over, but whats the alternative? If an owner wants out immediately or the club goes into admin and someone comes along with an offer, if the EFL refuse it then what? The club goes bust, it's as simple as that.

I also don't see how the EFL can stop guys like Day getting into these crazy mortgage and loan deals. Hopefully this is the last time this happens, but somehow I doubt it.

 

[darren gregory]

Agree with sentiment of Timey and JJ.
We all have to be accountable and sustainable.
My own club have sadly been in administration twice but not for overspending on signings or wages.
All lower league fans saw this coming.

However the game has to look at itself. The sky money has to filter down better. The rich just get richer and the poor tread water.
The Bury fans don't deserve this, will they do a Wimbledon or become a Darlington, who knows.

Got some good memories of Gigg Lane and it's only 4 months ago they were celebrating promotion in their last ever football league game against ourselves.
Can only wish them well but all these who are tweeting their outrage like Lineker, Trevor Sinclair , Phil Neville have a voice in the media to slate the FA and Premier League greed but it's highly unlikely they will.

Scudamore was paid about a 5 million golden handshake when he quit and also Gordon Taylor PFA earnt millions. Can't say I've seen any input from the PFA at all

Very very sad but this could be the start of a domino effect or a change at the very top .

 

[valefan16]

On a side note in relation to the thread title, it has yet to be confirmed that we will only have 1 relegation spot (or none if Bolton also go) apparently League Two will have its set up decided in the September meeting although assume the clubs will vote to 1 down 2 up to protect themselves?

 

[JJ1532]

For sure it'll be one down. Which I'm sure the conference teams will complain loudly about, given they've been all about the 3 up 3 down system for years. Moving to a 1 down system will change the dynamic of the league dramatically.

 

[Buxton Vale]

t to be confirmed that we will only have 1 relegation spot (or none if Bolton also go) apparently League Two will have its set up decided in the September meeting although assume the clubs will vote to 1 dow

I think ive seen somewhere that as it stands league 2 will only have one relegation place, and 3 will come down from league 2, however, Bolton could change that.

National league will still get 2 teams promoted.

 

[valefan16]

I think ive seen somewhere that as it stands league 2 will only have one relegation place, and 3 will come down from league 2, however, Bolton could change that.

National league will still get 2 teams promoted.

Originally they said that but the latest statement on Bury folding by the EFL say it will be discussed, and there I'd assume so early in the season most EFL clubs certainly in L2 would vote to cut the relegation spots (i.e. protecting themselves).

The issue with 3 up from the NL would be 8th placed might get up too. Top 2 Auto then 6 in Play offs.

On another point the FA Cup will also need figuring out as you have 1 less entering the first round so either 1 will get a bye or you'll get a 4th Qual Round loser get a reprieve through a draw.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

However the game has to look at itself. The sky money has to filter down better. The rich just get richer and the poor tread water.
The Bury fans don't deserve this, will they do a Wimbledon or become a Darlington, who knows.

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You do know we are only two leagues below you, don't you?

 

[JJ1532]

You do know we are only two leagues below you, don't you?

Well, given you've completely stagnated in the Conference North, I think it's a fair comparison. Wimbledon were reformed and back in the FL in 9 years. You're in your 10th season and looking destined to be a 6th tier side for a while to come. So yeah, I think what he says is fair. Will AFC Bury come all the way back in quick fashion, or reach a certain level and get stuck?

 

[dedwardp]

For sure it'll be one down. Which I'm sure the conference teams will complain loudly about, given they've been all about the 3 up 3 down system for years. Moving to a 1 down system will change the dynamic of the league dramatically.

Surely two will still be coming up though? So it doesn't affect the top of the Conference, therefore I don't see what they'd have to moan about in that regard. Up to them how they then choose to shuffle around at the bottom to sort their numbers out.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Surely two will still be coming up though? So it doesn't affect the top of the Conference, therefore I don't see what they'd have to moan about in that regard. Up to them how they then choose to shuffle around at the bottom to sort their numbers out.

absolutely, it shouldn't affect the league below us, unless the league above us pulls a fast one.

 

[darren gregory]

Of course I do but I wasn't being detrimental. I've been to Feethams back in the day. What I meant is that you have stagnated and never looked like regaining league status, that's fair surely ?

 

[shoddycollins]

absolutely, it shouldn't affect the league below us, unless the league above us pulls a fast one.

Well we are part of the same league system as league one so I imagine we all get as much of a say over what happens there as the clubs in that league. Our MD sits on the EFL board so I think BBCRC are planning to prod him with a few questions about Bury and Bolton through the week.

 

[JJ1532]

Surely two will still be coming up though? So it doesn't affect the top of the Conference, therefore I don't see what they'd have to moan about in that regard. Up to them how they then choose to shuffle around at the bottom to sort their numbers out.

The conference have been after a 3 up 3 down system for years. They will surely see this as an opportunity for just that, especially some of the teams desperate to get out like Wrexham etc. Even if it's only for one season. I just think when they see the FL dropping down to 91, they will want an extra conference club to make up the difference.

 

[Buxton Vale]

The conference have been after a 3 up 3 down system for years. They will surely see this as an opportunity for just that, especially some of the teams desperate to get out like Wrexham etc. Even if it's only for one season. I just think when they see the FL dropping down to 91, they will want an extra conference club to make up the difference.

i'll be surprised if thats the outcome

 

[valefan16]

i'll be surprised if thats the outcome

Clubs will vote on it, and it will be the EFL clubs so the old pals act and self preservation would surely see that scuppered I would think.

 

[Vanni]

So the FA/EFL share no blame for allowing a businessman who has liquidated 43 of his 51 businesses to take over Bury? Give over. If the EFL had correctly applied their owners' and directors' test Dale wouldn't have been allowed to take over. They admitted themselves they had fucked up just to get rid of the previous owner.

What baffles me is people defending the EFL, who haven't been fit for purpose for years, so this was always on the cards. This is the organisation that thought Owen Oyston, a convicted rapist and proven asset stripper, was fit to run a club.

Whoa, hold on a second there GG. I never said the FA are blameless, far from it actually, and neither am I attempting to defend them lot. But the way some people are pointing their fingers solely at the FA is just plain wrong and most unfair IMO. There are millions of footy fans out there who do not follow the lower leagues and now they're all of the opinion that Bury are blameless in all of this, only 'cos that's what they're reading on social media.

The fact remains that Bury are as much to blame for this sorry business as much as the FA are, if not more, and this is pretty much common knowledge among followers of the lower leagues. Bury have been throwing money at it for years , and there's a very good reason why everybody in his right mind is wary of the sob approach in football.

Re. the fit and proper test, I agree it should help in minimising the dangers of bad owners taking over our clubs. Still, that's about all it can achieve, as people and circumstances do change over time.

 

[Gladders]

Vanni, Bury FC are not to blame at all, their owners are, current ones and their predecessors. The very owners allowed to take on the club because the EFL and FA are powerless to stop them.

And the reason the owners have been throwing money at it for years is because of the very competition the FA allowed to form in 1992 apparently for the benefit of English football.

 

[The Terminator]

Bolton officially saved.

Looks like it will just be one team relegated from this league - Just like old times................

 

[TimeyWimey]

Vanni, Bury FC are not to blame at all, their owners are, current ones and their predecessors. The very owners allowed to take on the club because the EFL and FA are powerless to stop them.

And the reason the owners have been throwing money at it for years is because of the very competition the FA allowed to form in 1992 apparently for the benefit of English football.

Bury/a club and their owners sadly aren’t really separate entities. As much as we romanticise it, saying Bury are blameless is like saying Boris Johnson isn’t a c*** but his brain is.

Shit owners need rooting out of the game and not being let in but part of the reason football is so attractive to such owners is because there is very rarely consequences. Obviously how much Dale cares about Bury losing their FL status or going bust is up to (little) debate but it’s a warning shot to others.

 

[Gladders]

They should be seperate entities though, the club belongs to the fans not chancers like Steve Dale. The Steve Dale who said he never went to Bury and didn't even know there was a football club called Bury.

It's people like him and his predecessors who spent money they didn't have to get Bury promoted, not the fans and not the club.

 

[shoddycollins]

Bolton officially saved.

Looks like it will just be one team relegated from this league - Just like old times................

Too early still to get a Welcome to L2 Bolton thread going?

 

[The Terminator]

Too early still to get a Welcome to L2 Bolton thread going?

Its one of 6 grounds I need to do to complete the current 92, so if they go down this season and begin their resurrection next season, that will be good with me

 

[Buxton Vale]

Too early still to get a Welcome to L2 Bolton thread going?

absolutely not too early

 

[hellogregory]

Looks like it will just be one team relegated from this league

 

[shoddycollins]

Wondered how long it would take.

 

[hellogregory]

Wondered how long it would take.

How long what would take?

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Bolton officially saved.

Looks like it will just be one team relegated from this league - Just like old times................

Bring back re-election...

 

[JJ1532]

i'll be surprised if thats the outcome

Oh I'm not saying it would be the outcome. I was just replying to Dedwardp, who was wondering why the conference would moan if they didn't get an extra promotion place. I think they'll want that option on the table when the EFL vote for what do with the extra place in the 92 and how to fill it.

 

[dedwardp]

The conference have been after a 3 up 3 down system for years. They will surely see this as an opportunity for just that, especially some of the teams desperate to get out like Wrexham etc. Even if it's only for one season. I just think when they see the FL dropping down to 91, they will want an extra conference club to make up the difference.

Ah no worries, sorry, I misunderstood you - I thought you were suggesting that, given they'd ideally like a third promotion spot, they'd be up in arms at only having one come up. Hence my confusion given that there will still be the two coming up as usual.