Nobody needs to worry about relegation

[RLC]

But sticking to the budget you can afford and being relegated is better than going bust. That's the issue here, it doesn't matter how much money clubs have, just don't spend what you haven't.

Yes, I agree. Which is what we will do this season and why we are quite likely to be relegated.

However, it should be possible for clubs to earn promotion without risk of bankrupting themselves. There should not be a fivefold difference in wage levels between the Championship and League One.

 

[valefan16]

Yes, I agree. Which is what we will do this season and why we are quite likely to be relegated.

However, it should be possible for clubs to earn promotion without risk of bankrupting themselves. There should not be a fivefold difference in wage levels between the Championship and League One.

Burton shown it can be done

 

[Chris FGR]

Having promotion and relegation between the PL and Championship is killing a lot of clubs. Maybe time to do away with that as well. Pick the 20 biggest clubs, ideally spread out equally geographically across the country and then let them be the pinnacle of football in that region, with other clubs in the area helping develop talent to feed into the the top club.

Phil Gartside was right.

 

[Indian Dan]

Garside wasn’t interested in anything except to keep the money rolling in.

The PL big boys won’t ever admit it but it’s us, the bottom feeders, the aspirational clubs and the smaller community clubs that their fans actually enjoy supporting.

Sure, as a novelty, taking on the big boys would be fun in the short term, but who wants to support a club whose only ambition is to stay in the PL.

IMO, the Championship is a better league and for us in L1 and L2 there is ALWAYS the chance that this season could be your turn - even without the budget anything is still possible down here.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Having promotion and relegation between the PL and Championship is killing a lot of clubs. Maybe time to do away with that as well. Pick the 20 biggest clubs, ideally spread out equally geographically across the country and then let them be the pinnacle of football in that region, with other clubs in the area helping develop talent to feed into the the top club.

Phil Gartside was right.

You're going to run and run with this one.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

The purpose is to prevent more and more clubs collapsing, which is happening in the current system atm and is dragging down local businesses and communities with them, and also for the benefits that football brings to communities to be spread out equally throughout the country.

You're going to run and run with this one.

In that case please point him towards Scotland, cheers

 

[Agombar stool]

Most clubs biggest income is from match days if a Club has no fixtures for a year they aren't going to make any money, meaning whoever takes over has to put even more money in they already want.

Who do they play friendlies against? Everyone else is playing lge football. Not operating for a season just would not work, unless the new owners were prepared to lose even more money and given the takeovers are already taking a long time I don't see that happening either.

They could just play each other every week.

 

[valefan16]

Bury take over collapses.

Assume thats them gone.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Bury take over collapses.

Assume thats them gone.

thats a sad day for lower league football, I hope that they come back in some sort of phoenix

 

[Chris FGR]

The EFL should give Bury the rest of this season to sort themselves out, and let them into league 2 for the start of next season if they have. These stupidly short pressured deadlines are killing them.

 

[Simpo]

It's just so sad.

There should, of course, be more stringent rules on ownership, and greater financial parity between the Premier League and the rest. We might get one, we won't get the other.

Practically, if Bolton go as well, I reckon it should be:
Top 2 of National League automatically promoted.
Team finishing bottom of League Two takes the place in the National League playoff system usually allocated to the team finishing 2nd.

So depending on how the playoffs go it will be either 3 up/1 down, or 2 up/0 down. Got to have the threat of potential relegation.

 

[JJ1532]

Enough is enough. If the EFL keep extending the deadline, then they lose all credibility. Time to end this sorry charade with both clubs and kill them. Like a wounded animal too sick to carry on, it's time. Best thing for the fans of both clubs is to become pheonix's down the pyramid. Although a club of Bolton's size in the lower tiers would be interesting.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Enough is enough. If the EFL keep extending the deadline, then they lose all credibility. Time to end this sorry charade with both clubs and kill them. Like a wounded animal too sick to carry on, it's time. Best thing for the fans of both clubs is to become pheonix's down the pyramid. Although a club of Bolton's size in the lower tiers would be interesting.

sadly what you say is the only way forward. I can see Bolton coming back quickly, but Bury may find it harder.

 

[Attila the hun]

A sad day for football

 

[darren gregory]

Very sad day.
The Bury situation is complicated as is Bolton.
But fans down here have been asking for 3 years or more how they could pay a Kings ransom to
Tom Pope
Leon Clarke
James Vaughan
Tom Soares
Jermaine Beckford

It just didn't add up on 3500 crowds.

I really hope an answer is found but as others have said they are lingering like a sick pet needing to be put down compassionately

 

[Vanni]

I'm truly astonished that so many fans, all over social media, are blaming the FA for this. What about the years of overspending by the two clubs in question then?

I've got nothing at all against Bury, and I do feel sympathy for the fans, but everybody knows that it's recipe for disaster when you start signing players on big £££ when you can only attract some 3000 fans for a home game.

 

[T.A]

Very sad day.
The Bury situation is complicated as is Bolton.
But fans down here have been asking for 3 years or more how they could pay a Kings ransom to
Tom Pope
Leon Clarke
James Vaughan
Tom Soares
Jermaine Beckford

It just didn't add up on 3500 crowds.

I really hope an answer is found but as others have said they are lingering like a sick pet needing to be put down compassionately

Tom Soares?? Haha what? He played for free for a long time. Theres so many other players you could have picked.

 

[Gladders]

I'm truly astonished that so many fans, all over social media, are blaming the FA for this. What about the years of overspending by the two clubs in question then?

I've got nothing at all against Bury, and I do feel sympathy for the fans, but everybody knows that it's recipe for disaster when you start signing players on big £££ when you can only attract some 3000 fans for a home game.

And who's fault is it that money has got this bad? These aren't the first two clubs and won't be the last. Who is supposed to run football in this country?

 

[GodsGift]

I'm truly astonished that so many fans, all over social media, are blaming the FA for this. What about the years of overspending by the two clubs in question then?

I've got nothing at all against Bury, and I do feel sympathy for the fans, but everybody knows that it's recipe for disaster when you start signing players on big £££ when you can only attract some 3000 fans for a home game.

So the FA/EFL share no blame for allowing a businessman who has liquidated 43 of his 51 businesses to take over Bury? Give over. If the EFL had correctly applied their owners' and directors' test Dale wouldn't have been allowed to take over. They admitted themselves they had fucked up just to get rid of the previous owner.

What baffles me is people defending the EFL, who haven't been fit for purpose for years, so this was always on the cards. This is the organisation that thought Owen Oyston, a convicted rapist and proven asset stripper, was fit to run a club.

 

[Buxton Vale]

two more buyers have turned up according to bbc North West, one potential and one definite, but I suspect that it is too late.

 

[GodsGift]

Vanni , what have all these people/groups all got in common?

- Owen Oyston, convicted rapist and proven asset stripper in the High Court
- Ken Anderson, businessman previously disqualified from being a company director for eight years after eight of his businesses went bust
- Steve Dale, a businessman who bought Bury for £1 after 43 of his previous 51 companies were liquidated
- Laurence Bassini, a businessman made bankrupt in both 2007 and 2014 and banned by the EFL in 2013 for three years

There will be plenty more, too. These are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[longmover]

FGR fans on here chatting about fit and proper owners and sustainable football

made my day

 

[E10rifle]

Only 23 football clubs in League One. Don’t know if that makes things easier to balance out or not.

 

[shoddycollins]

If you fancy a little light relief on this grim day then put together the first letters of each paragraph on this report into Bury's finances.

http://priceoffootball.com/bury-minutes-to-midnight/

 

[Posh Harry]

Well bury have gone.

 

[James Frost]

Devastating. I feel for Bury fans tonight.

 

[GTFCfish]

If you fancy a little light relief on this grim day then put together the first letters of each paragraph on this report into Bury's finances.

http://priceoffootball.com/bury-minutes-to-midnight/

I have to admit that a ‘Wank Puffin’ is not a phrase that I’ve ever heard before!

 

[valefan16]

Seemed inevitable but hurts as a fan of a traditional EFL club like Bury to see it happen. Just think of that old fella who was in pieces on the TV and how happy he was helping this morning.

Never thought when their fans were celebrating after our draw there on the final day that would be the last time they’d play in anger at this level.

Hopefully they can reform and get back up here quickly.

A dark day for English football.

 

[The Alex]

Social media awash with big team fans and public figures saying it’s a bad day for football, when normally they don’t bat an eye to what goes on in the lower league or the implications of the way the football league is run for us lower clubs. Spare me.

Unpopular opinion, but I’m glad to see Bury go. Not their fans fault, I know.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Shocked to get up to this news today, even though it was hard to see a way out for them. I hope they can get a new start and some momentum as they try to come back in the future.