Play-offs 2015

[rudebwoyben]

Lots of people could see that the way Pompey was being run was unsustainable and a disaster in waiting.
Just as lots of people can see that the way Eastleigh/Whitehawk/Fylde/Fleetwood are being run will lead to disaster in the long-term.

 

[Southern Shayman]

All very boring Shayman.

A very well reasoned argument. Painful truths?

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Your last line is a very good reference point Miag. We will do that (if it happens).
Quite enjoyed this league and in all honestly wouldn't mind staying in it a while longer anyway. The joys of supporting a non league club and going under the radar, without all the hassles of being a FL team & fan.

 

[Dan_Macclad]

Yeh, because Portsmouth have been a very well run "real club" haven't they...
I'm sure they will laugh at us, but its a far bigger laugh on them with them being in L2 just a few years after flying high in the premiershite and winning the FA cup with International stars in their team. That was what you can call spending beyond your means...but of course, they are a "real club" aren't they?...We have only actually come up from one level anyway and are hoping to move up to the next level (2 up) where as Pompey, and quite a few clubs in this league have fallen far further than 2 levels..so it should be more of a shock how far they have fallen, rather than how far we might get to.
Its all good, it just gets boring when constantly told you will go bust blah blah blah, by fans of clubs who have supposedly been a "real club" but have gone bust and are now playing non league football and will be for a few years to come...

Its not about being a 'real club', but size and support does impact.

Look at us for an example, we got promoted barely being able to continue trading, we lasted 15 years in the league with an owner banging in 250k a season just so we could scape a minimum budget. It was incredible we lasted so long, the simple fact is that our crowds of 2,000 couldn't sustain the football league.

We were to small for the football league.. the other clubs of our size have considerable financial backing, but they will eventually fade and if they last as long as we did then id be impressed. Crawley are no longer setting the lower divisions alight, Fleetwood are still on the crest of a wave, but im sure over time they will begin to drop. The biggest example is Rushden & Diamonds.

I hope you do get a crack at the league, im sure with the backing you have you'll do well, but the simple truth is that Eastleigh is a rich mans toy who are only there because of substantial backing.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The problem is for a bankrolled club is they never know how to handle things when the money is removed.

at least say a Dagenham who gets up into the FL will keep itself running pretty much how it has. plus when growth is slowly built the fans that latch onto them usually will come back.

rushing up the leagues leaves you with a set-up un-prepared the moment money dries up and your fans desert en masse.....that can be the problem you face down the line.

but to be honest its nowt to do with proper/non proper clubs, I frankly don't want either FGR or Eastleigh because they really are not L1 sized clubs, therefore will bring no fans at all to Carlisle and that hits us financially, but with their owners they are chucking money at players which gives reasons for other L2 players to demand more from their clubs.....a double-negative sword which akes either club add absolute nothing for me.

you should not need to defend it though Eastleigh fans, end of day is bloody loads of bankrolled clubs about thesedays, if its not yourselves its the next club...........but that still doesn't at all make your club an attractive addition.

 

[B2TF]

Real clubs?
Do you mean clubs who have gone into administration, been reborn/renamed, managed poorly and ended up in non league football?
Real clubs who have screwed small businesses who they owed money to while taken their clubs under?
Real clubs who are so poorly run that they have turned Championship, L1 & L2 clubs into a shell of the real club that they once were?
Yeh its crap that newer "younger" clubs are moving up the pyramid. Newer clubs that are well run and follow good business models and employ good people who they look after. Shame on us Newer clubs for doing it the right way.

One of the funniest comments I've ever read on here, a shame you didn't write it before the recent poll. The fact that you opened your gates for free on at least 2 occasions this season says everything about where your funds are coming from and actually takes the piss out of every other club in this league. You are nothing without the millions being put in by your owner and you will realise that when he fucks off back to his own real club.

 

[Sparrow]

Don't Eastleigh count all the season tickets holders too without some of them even being there?

 

[Optogas]

I haven't anything against Eastleigh per say but if you look at how quickly Wigan's attendances have fallen the original 'toy' club and you have your answer they were in the premier for years bigger catchments and still our not a viable championship club let alone a Prem. Money men, die, retire, leave or just stop putting the money in. Than the glory hunters abandon in droves leaving the true supporters watch the club they love fall into obscurity if they are lucky. If that's a price your willing to pay fair enough. Once your up Ffp comes into account as well.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

Yip, i do get all those arguments against clubs like mine, and the citing of other clubs who are of a similar mould to us makes people think it will happen to every "newer" club trying to get to the FL. I'm not saying we will never go pop in the next 20-50 years, but even the biggest clubs can go pop just as fast. Look at Pompey, who even in L2 get 18,000 a game, but are still in the shit financially and are going to be in L2 for years yet. The likes of Bristol Rovers et al, are in this league because they have been poorly run and managed. Its not because their crowds are not big enough to sustain league football, because clearly their 6k-8k per home game is better than a lot of L2 clubs, so the crowd thing is a bit of a red herring, especially if a club is doing so much more to generate revenue than just depend on its fortnightly fan base to boost the top line. Its not just a one man show at EFC either, sure the main man is loaded & its him that has the vision, the contacts and the entrepreneurial skills to move us forward, but i believe we have another 10+ multi-millionaires who are either sponsoring or involved in some way. So if you don't mind, us EFC fans will enjoy what is happening and will get right behind our team and our owner, because i've no doubt you would all do the same if it were happening at your club. Failing that, you could all go back to supporting Man Utd again..

 

[Optogas]

Yip, i do get all those arguments against clubs like mine, and the citing of other clubs who are of a similar mould to us makes people think it will happen to every "newer" club trying to get to the FL. I'm not saying we will never go pop in the next 20-50 years, but even the biggest clubs can go pop just as fast. Look at Pompey, who even in L2 get 18,000 a game, but are still in the shit financially and are going to be in L2 for years yet. The likes of Bristol Rovers et al, are in this league because they have been poorly run and managed. Its not because their crowds are good enough to sustain league football, because clearly their 6k-8k per home game is better than a lot of L2 clubs, so the crowd thing is a bit of a red herring, especially if a club is doing so much more to generate revenue than just depend on its fortnightly fan base to boost the top line. Its not just a one man show at EFC either, sure the main man is loaded & its him that has the vision, the contacts and the entrepreneurial skills to move us forward, but i believe we have another 10+ multi-millionaires who are either sponsoring or involved in some way. So if you don't mind, us EFC fans will enjoy what is happening and will get right behind our team and our owner, because i've no doubt you would all do the same if it were happening at your club. Failing that, you could all go back to supporting Man Utd again..

I'm a one club man, I would rather kids support Mangotsfield Utd than Manchester United if they live in Bristol. I get your embracing of your board and what your club is doing. The only thing I will say those plastic Man ure supporters our your future fair weather fans.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Don't Eastleigh count all the season tickets holders too without some of them even being there?

They wouldn't be the only clubs to do that though.

I'm on the Forest Green bandwagon. Shame Woking didn't make it though.

 

[Sparrow]

They wouldn't be the only clubs to do that though.

I'm on the Forest Green bandwagon. Shame Woking didn't make it though.

We never stood a chance against teams with triple our budget. Delighted with our season though, obviously.

 

[Southern Shayman]

Don't Eastleigh count all the season tickets holders too without some of them even being there?

In their defence, I'm pretty sure every club in the country does that.

 

[Dan_Macclad]

We do that.. In fact on occasions there has clearly been far less in the ground than announced, which was greeted with laughter.

 

[Sparrow]

In their defence, I'm pretty sure every club in the country does that.

Their season tickets cost £10 though so it's a bit different.

 

[Southern Shayman]

Their season tickets cost £10 though so it's a bit different.

You mean they're not all coming down because they believe in project Eastleigh?! and their tickets aren't being subsidised by a money man?!

Well blow me down with a feather.

 

[LordJord]

Bit torn with this, on one hand Brizzle and Grimsby will bring large numbers of away fans making for a better game and atmosphere, not to mention cash.

However I am yet to experience the delights of Forest Green or Easleighs grounds..therefore I feel myself favouring them in the playoffs. Eastleigh more so due to location.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

We never stood a chance against teams with triple our budget. Delighted with our season though, obviously.

Lol at triple your Woking Budget. So explain why you were able to match Yemi's wages and are offering him even more to stay on next season. Explain why Josh Payne is earning more at Woking than we are paying any of our players. Do you really think Gary Hill would work with a shit budget? Your budget is pretty much the same as ours. You never stood a chance because you were not good enough on the pitch & your players threw in the towel. Same will happen next year too. Add to that your fickle fan base who blow hot and cold every season and you have the perfect recipe for finishing 6-12th every year.

 

[Sparrow]

Lol at triple your Woking Budget. So explain why you were able to match Yemi's wages and are offering him even more to stay on next season. Explain why Josh Payne is earning more at Woking than we are paying any of our players. Do you really think Gary Hill would work with a shit budget? Your budget is pretty much the same as ours. You never stood a chance because you were not good enough on the pitch & your players threw in the towel. Same will happen next year too. Add to that your fickle fan base who blow hot and cold every season and you have the perfect recipe for finishing 6-12th every year.

We received somewhere in the region of 10-15k thanks to Theo Lewis's transfer to Ebbsfleet. 6-12th every year would be amazing given our resources. In the three years we've been back in the division that has happened, it's pretty impressive. Despite having the largest budget in the division you still couldn't beat us.

 

[Sparrow]

You mean they're not all coming down because they believe in project Eastleigh?! and their tickets aren't being subsidised by a money man?!

Well blow me down with a feather.

Not really sure what you're on about. I added that it's different for them because their season tickets are so cheap. Therefore, claiming big attendances by including season ticket holders, when some aren't there, who are paying peanuts for their ST is wrong.

Perhaps Halifax should include all their season ticket holders too. Might make things look a bit better.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Lol at triple your Woking Budget. So explain why you were able to match Yemi's wages and are offering him even more to stay on next season. Explain why Josh Payne is earning more at Woking than we are paying any of our players. Do you really think Gary Hill would work with a shit budget? Your budget is pretty much the same as ours. You never stood a chance because you were not good enough on the pitch & your players threw in the towel. Same will happen next year too. Add to that your fickle fan base who blow hot and cold every season and you have the perfect recipe for finishing 6-12th every year.

I didn't know that Woking were paying any of their players more than £3K a week?!

 

[Sparrow]

I didn't know that Woking were paying any of their players more than £3K a week?!

Exactly, a ridiculous statement from Eastleigh's Fan.

 

[Eastleigh Fan]

and neither are we, not even 2k.
So you'll have to do your fishing in a better pond im afraid.

 

[AdamStag]

In their defence, I'm pretty sure every club in the country does that.

Why would you, we don't?

We've had attendances this season when including away fans that have been less than STH's we've had. I do think most clubs do it though, which I find unfortunate.

 

[rudebwoyben]

and neither are we, not even 2k.
So you'll have to do your fishing in a better pond im afraid.

Mmm yes, James Constable just chose to move from League 2 and join Easleigh for the joy of it.
Face the facts. Your lot, along with FGR, have had the biggest budget in this league this season and it is probably at least double Woking's.

 

[Si Robin]

We received somewhere in the region of 10-15k thanks to Theo Lewis's transfer to Ebbsfleet. 6-12th every year would be amazing given our resources. In the three years we've been back in the division that has happened, it's pretty impressive. Despite having the largest budget in the division you still couldn't beat us.

Since when was Theo Lewis worth £10-£15k? The World's gone mad.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Rose tinted view from this Eastleigh fan.

Seen it all before, to quote Gordon Brown 'boom or bust' approaches by non-league clubs in football are hilariously doomed to fail. Look at Crawley, lost a seven figure sum just to keep in business at League One.

Colne Dynamoes, anyone remember them? The original boom or bust club? Paid Mark Lawrenson a £750 appearance fee to play in the glue leagues 25 years ago on top of a basic wage. Owner was a millionaire but when the ground grading failed and debts piled up the club died.

Then we have Max Briggs at Rushden, the fraudsters at Boston and our good friends at Crawley who I hope are beginning a long and arduous decline when their relegation is hopefully confirmed on Sunday.

If Eastleigh go up they'll probably end up in League One by 2016-17. But then when stagnation happens, as Crawley found out and Fleetwood are sure to find out, and all their gloryhunters sod off, the owners will get bored of funding a club who can't go higher than Top 10 in League One.

 

[Sparrow]

Since when was Theo Lewis worth £10-£15k? The World's gone mad.

We're very grateful for Ebbsfleet's spending, for now.

 

[GTFC1979]

Lol at triple your Woking Budget. So explain why you were able to match Yemi's wages and are offering him even more to stay on next season. Explain why Josh Payne is earning more at Woking than we are paying any of our players. Do you really think Gary Hill would work with a shit budget? Your budget is pretty much the same as ours. You never stood a chance because you were not good enough on the pitch & your players threw in the towel. Same will happen next year too. Add to that your fickle fan base who blow hot and cold every season and you have the perfect recipe for finishing 6-12th every year.

What a deluded tossbag you really are.......

 

[Southern Shayman]

Not really sure what you're on about. I added that it's different for them because their season tickets are so cheap. Therefore, claiming big attendances by including season ticket holders, when some aren't there, who are paying peanuts for their ST is wrong.

Perhaps Halifax should include all their season ticket holders too. Might make things look a bit better.

Apologies, poor attempt at sarcasm. Going along with the point that people go to Eastleigh because it's dirt cheap and thats reflected in their attendances - rather than legions being converted to "the dynamic" goings on at Eastleigh as suggested by their fan.

Woah don't turn on me, I quite like you as a club You're like us, but southern - hoovering the best of the part timers up with a good manager and making a good go of it in the Conference. Just you get better crowds and an "in it together" feel as you don't have the expectation that comes with our fan base. Don't let B2TF hear me say that though.

As for Eastleigh not paying players any more than Woking. Yep that's right James Constable turned down League 1 clubs because he fancied a wage cut and to live on the south coast .