Promotion Thread 2017/18

[blademan89]

Assume you didn't watch the game we beat you then? You were a good side but we deserved our win, most of your fans seemed to admit it to

No I was on holiday but every single person I've spoke too says we were easily worth a draw at worst. Either way we didn't perform poorly by the sounds of it

 

[M Dogg]

No I was on holiday but every single person I've spoke too says we were easily worth a draw at worst. Either way we didn't perform poorly by the sounds of it

Aye you were very good, but to say you were the better side would be reaching a little bit, it was probably our best performance of the season and I felt we were worth the win (probably only the second or third time I've thought that this season)

 

[Sheffsteel]

A factor that should help Sheffield United maintain a promotion run is that Wilder has previous.

2016 finished top of league 2 on 99 points
2017 had a terrible start but finished top of league 1 on 100 points.
So following the pattern he’s due 101 points this season ha ha (joking of course).

He obviously knows the mental side to keep players focussed and able to handle expectation.

Although in the past every year you see teams have totally opposite results in the second half.
Still think Boro will come good sooner or later.

 

[blademan89]

Aye you were very good, but to say you were the better side would be reaching a little bit, it was probably our best performance of the season and I felt we were worth the win (probably only the second or third time I've thought that this season)

Fair enough, like I said I was away so can't really dispute you, just going off other opinions.

 

[JoshBCFC]

And yet the top three have opened up a four point gap after 13games

Slightly off-topic, but League one has a 8 point gap between 2nd and 3rd already. Going to be one hell of a dull season down there.

I'm torn between posting on this thread and the one below it

I made a mid-table thread, i'd imagine you Wednesday fans will be on there for the rest of the season now

 

[markwwfc1992]

The only problem I see with Sheff Utd is that a lot of the good start is down to momentum and confidence. No disrespect but their team on paper is one of the weaker ones in division. I suspect that if they lose a few on the bounce they could fall away.

 

[Another Walkley Owl]

The only problem I see with Sheff Utd is that a lot of the good start is down to momentum and confidence. No disrespect but their team on paper is one of the weaker ones in division. I suspect that if they lose a few on the bounce they could fall away.

Confidence and momentum can go a long way. Though I don't like to admit it,but most of their players are better than many people give them credit for.
This wont be appreciatted by many other Wednesdayites but Wilder gets more out of each player as a unit than the individual parts seem to add up to.
Conversely Wednesday's individual parts add up to more than the team is currently producing.
A team in the true sense of the word is usually better than 11 better individuals who don't seem able to gel as a team.
Anyway I'm off to the midtable thread now, eagerly awaiting the arrival of all the Bristol City fans in a month or so's time.

 

[Sheffsteel]

The only problem I see with Sheff Utd is that a lot of the good start is down to momentum and confidence. No disrespect but their team on paper is one of the weaker ones in division. I suspect that if they lose a few on the bounce they could fall away.

Fair and logical point.
However we did lose 2 consecutive matches in our 1st three games, so that stopped the momentum from last season. Confidence does play a massive part, there’s so much belief and positivity.

The weird thing is our players look higher quality than the opposition in virtually every match, apart from our first 3 games. It doesn’t make sense because many in the squad are lower division players.

I think the key to Wilders success is
Playing the same tactics/ formation, same players, same system virtually every single match for over 12 months. The players play like a family unit, a real team where everyone knows their job to perfection.
He also plays to each players strengths, hence why they look better than they are. Our full backs (Baldock and Stevens) are great going forward but average defenders, so Wilder plays them as wing-backs in a 3-5-2 every match and encourages them to be positive and get forward. They generally don’t have to do too much defending. Two of the 3 centre backs are really good as fullbacks, so can easily cover when the wingbacks are caught up field with teams catching us on the counter attack.

Another key is mental attitude. Wilder only puts pressure on the players to give 100% and to put in a performance, do their jobs. He doesn’t worry so much about the result, he often says his positive attitude means we’ll lose because we’re not as solid as we could be but hes fine with that. He also doesn’t worry too much about the opposition and focuses more on our strengths instead of negating the opposition strengths. In fact he’s said a few times football is a simple game and he doesn’t like to get bogged down with tactics and systems as it can confuse some players.

Wilder is very much old school, one of the boys, can have a laugh and a beer with the players but he’s really scary if anyone steps out of line. He’s also loyal to his players, anyone that plays well is virtually guaranteed to keep their shirt even if it means the supposedly better players can’t get back in and they accept it. If any player sulks or is too much of an individual he gets rid, he’s no experience of selfish highly paid egos and that’s the big question mark about him managing big players in the PL. He might end up a Paulo Di Caneo type where today’s players can’t handle his old fashioned values, high standards and discipline.Wilder and the Captain Billy Sharp are big fans of Sheff United and their influence seems to have ensured that all 11 players play like they are homegrown Sheff United supporters, they play like they genuinely care and that’s all a supporters ever wants to see.

Of course Sheff Utd must play poorly at some point and lose a few.
So it will be interesting what happens once that special bubble of confidence is burst.

Actually another factor that could be a bigger issue for SU is late season burn out.
We play a high tempo high pressing game usually playing the same players, so opposition teams can’t feel their way into a game with good possession. Klopps Liverpool were impressive last season then seemed to tire and fall away. We could easily do the same.

 

[SkyBluesRose]

Slightly off-topic, but League one has a 8 point gap between 2nd and 3rd already. Going to be one hell of a dull season down there.

Shrewsbury are this year's Brighton and Wigan are this year's Newcastle end of.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Shrewsbury are this year's Brighton and Wigan are this year's Newcastle end of.

Not surprised that Wigan are romping away but it’s incredible what’s happening with Shrewsbury.
I keep thinking it won’t last but they keep winning and are still unbeaten, incredible.
Apparently their manager is from Sheffield and a Wednesday fan.
Heard some Owls saying Paul Hurst should be brought in to replace Carvahsal
But I suppose Wednesdays foreign Chairman will probably want a foreign coach again.

 

[SkyBluesRose]

Not surprised that Wigan are romping away but it’s incredible what’s happening with Shrewsbury.
I keep thinking it won’t last but they keep winning and are still unbeaten, incredible.

Aye, in that regards they're more like Huddersfield

 

[JJH]

Anyway I'm off to the midtable thread now, eagerly awaiting the arrival of all the Bristol City fans in a month or so's time.

We'll have passed it through in a month and be in the relegation thread. Not sure why it really affects you though.

 

[Another Walkley Owl]

We'll have passed it through in a month and be in the relegation thread. Not sure why it really affects you though.

It will affect me because the midtable thread which Wednesday should own, will become overrun by by Bcfc fans and will soon become another Bristol City thread in disguise.

Really don't see you dropping down to the Relegation thread this season, but last pre season I said You and Huddersfield would be interesting clubs in the League and predicted you to be Promotion dark horses but that Huddersfields "new" team would gel too late and it was probably a season too soon for them. So that shows what I know.

 

[City169]

It will affect me because the midtable thread which Wednesday should own, will become overrun by by Bcfc fans and will soon become another Bristol City thread in disguise.

Really don't see you dropping down to the Relegation thread this season, but last pre season I said You and Huddersfield would be interesting clubs in the League and predicted you to be Promotion dark horses but that Huddersfields "new" team would gel too late and it was probably a season too soon for them. So that shows what I know.

We could be top of the league and unbeaten and JJH would say we are nailed on for relegation as soon as there was one poor performance.

We will likely end up midtable, which is where many of our fans expected us to be this season. Though going by threads on our forum a few had got carried away before the Leeds game.

 

[JJH]

It will affect me because the midtable thread which Wednesday should own, will become overrun by by Bcfc fans and will soon become another Bristol City thread in disguise.

Really don't see you dropping down to the Relegation thread this season, but last pre season I said You and Huddersfield would be interesting clubs in the League and predicted you to be Promotion dark horses but that Huddersfields "new" team would gel too late and it was probably a season too soon for them. So that shows what I know.

So in essence, you're looking forward to us dropping down to your level because you want to read more about us? Weird.

 

[Another Walkley Owl]

So in essence, you're looking forward to us dropping down to your level because you want to read more about us? Weird.

Yes exactly that. Guess you don't do sarcasm in Bristol (or more likely just you) That's no surprise you need a modicum of intelligence to understand it. One day maybe one of your friends (probably a Rovers fan) will explain it to you.

 

[JJH]

Yes exactly that. Guess you don't do sarcasm in Bristol (or more likely just you) That's no surprise you need a modicum of intelligence to understand it. One day maybe one of your friends (probably a Rovers fan) will explain it to you.

Ark at "Another Walkley Owl", trying to live up to the name are we? Edgy, ancient bore.

 

[Another Walkley Owl]

Ark at "Another Walkley Owl", trying to live up to the name are we? Edgy, ancient bore.

Lol, lighten up mate, your teams doing okay enjoy it.

 

[JJH]

Lol, lighten up mate, your teams doing okay enjoy it.

I did whilst it lasted, now it's all gone to shit again.

 

[KevinMcallister]

we are the destroyer of dreams

 

[blademan89]

I did whilst it lasted, now it's all gone to shit again.

Wow , you've lost 1 match ffs get a grip

 

[JJH]

Wow , you've lost 1 match ffs get a grip

I wasn't being wholly serious but this is what happened last season. I'll take the game in isolation as we were missing four of our best players this season: Baker, Smith, Paterson and Diedhiou. I knew as soon as I saw the team we'd be on the end of a hiding.

Anyway, Palace and Sunderland now to bounce back. We've sold 18,000 for tomorrow and have sold 1,500 for Sunderland....

 

[SF_]

Rio Ferdinand actually made a half decent prediction on Twitter of Dyche to Everton and Wilder to Burnley.

Should the Dingles lose Dyche at any point then I think Wilder would be the obvious choice in terms of poaching a manager from this league.

 

[JoshBCFC]

Rio Ferdinand actually made a half decent prediction on Twitter of Dyche to Everton and Wilder to Burnley.

Should the Dingles lose Dyche at any point then I think Wilder would be the obvious choice in terms of poaching a manager from this league.

If that was to happen I don't think Sheffield United would be in the fight for promotion for very long afterwards.

 

[blademan89]

Rio Ferdinand actually made a half decent prediction on Twitter of Dyche to Everton and Wilder to Burnley.

Should the Dingles lose Dyche at any point then I think Wilder would be the obvious choice in terms of poaching a manager from this league.

Pointless move for wilder other than money. Leaving to a smaller club who are never gonna do fuck all except survive relegation. Depending on the difference in money , why on earth would he go there, everything is so perfect for him here , if Everton offered him a job that's a different story, one he couldn't turn down.

 

[JJH]

Pointless move for wilder other than money. Leaving to a smaller club who are never gonna do fuck all except survive relegation. Depending on the difference in money , why on earth would he go there, everything is so perfect for him here , if Everton offered him a job that's a different story, one he couldn't turn down.

Let's be fair, Burnley are already in the Premier League, and if (massive if) Wilder ever got you out of this division, your expectations in the Premier League would be no different to Burnley's at all.

 

[SF_]

Let's be fair, Burnley are already in the Premier League, and if (massive if) Wilder ever got you out of this division, your expectations in the Premier League would be no different to Burnley's at all.

Aye, pretty much sums it up for me.

Pains me to say it but Burnley are an established Premier League side as it stands and don't look ready for the drop.

Sheff Utd fan or not, I think he would be very tempted.

 

[blademan89]

Let's be fair, Burnley are already in the Premier League, and if (massive if) Wilder ever got you out of this division, your expectations in the Premier League would be no different to Burnley's at all.

I know they wouldn't but at least if he took us up he'd be managing his club with 32k there every single week, sell out at every away game or Burnley who he doesnt care about who get 18 or 19k and can't even muster 2k at Everton ffs, and why leave a club where everything is perfect for him, a club where he's loved , a club he supports and a club doing well to go to fucking burnley. Only possible reason would be a lot lot more money. At least if he leaves i hope its to a proper club like everton for example

 

[blademan89]

Aye, pretty much sums it up for me.

Pains me to say it but Burnley are an established Premier League side as it stands and don't look ready for the drop.

Sheff Utd fan or not, I think he would be very tempted.

Is this not only there 2nd season back? They've had a good start but established premier league side is a bit heavy.

 

[SF_]

Is this not only there 2nd season back? They've had a good start but established premier league side is a bit heavy.

I'm basing that on their performances so far this season where they've generally been annoyingly impressive. That could change if Dyche leaves but they look a solid group of players.

Either way, I think they would be an attractive proposition to any Championship manager right now.