Question, would YOU as supporters support my tinpot chancers being in L2 next season?

[Chris FGR]

Am I right in thinking that this Chris is a bit of a wally?

So basically everyone has to think the same way about everything, and anyone that doesn't agree with someone else's opinion is a wally. Ok then....

No wonder this country is fucked.

Bury have been screwed over royally, but the only people that have and will be further punished are the fans and local community, while the likes of Day, Dale and the EFL including that useless c*** Harvey get off scott free. But of course, the most important thing is to make an example of Bury. That'll teach their fans not to let things beyond their control destroy their club.

 

[Son of Cod]

Pretty successful WUM from Chris, here.

Hasn't put in a shift like this since his Conference days.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Out of interest if they did go into League Two next season what sort of personnel would they have? Do they still have any players and what sort of contracts do they have.
And what are players going to be doing between now and next season?

 

[Chris FGR]

Hasn't put in a shift like this since his Conference days.

Not sharing the same opinion = wum in your book then. Pretty narrow minded don't you think.

Like I said, no wonder this country is fucked. No fucker listens or respects anyone else's opinions anymore.

Anyway I've said my piece. Imo punishing/making an example of Bury which only makes the wrong people suffer is pointless. The fans had no power to stop those charlatans from running their club into the ground, or the EFL being a useless bunch of c***, but they deserve to be kicked as much as possible while their down apparently. While the real villains in this get off with a smile on their face. I'm sure this will do loads to stop more conmen/criminals/assett strippers buying clubs. Not. Who knows, it could be your club next. But there you go.

 

[valefan16]

Out of interest if they did go into League Two next season what sort of personnel would they have? Do they still have any players and what sort of contracts do they have.
And what are players going to be doing between now and next season?

Virtually none, they had trialists mainly who will obviously look elsewhere and the ones under contract have mainly left, we signed Archer for example on a free as he hasn't been paid the contract I think is broken (same way we signed Evans from Macc)

 

[Stringy]

Bury spent too much money chasing promotion.

Regards Stringy, Mansfield fan.

 

[KeithH]

Be interesting to see what other clubs actually think of this, I guess most league two sides would reject it... some teams still angry at last season who missed out and some teams who could feel they will struggle wanting to keep it down to one spot for the drop.

League One clubs could go either way. Well run smaller clubs like Stanley and Wycombe probably would reject it. Bolton may sympathise and the Championship sides probably couldn’t give a toss either way!

The problem with the championship sides is that they will use this to their advantage. A thorough review of ELF rules (independent enquiry on way) and a Parliamentary enquiry promised. If the smaller clubs think they will not be pushing for the bigger clubs to have more say they are as batshit crazy as our last 2 owners/scumbags are.

 

[KeithH]

Bury spent too much money chasing promotion.

Regards Stringy, Mansfield fan.

In actual face Bury did but the season before and we were relegated!!
Last season most of the high paid palyers shown the door (on frees mainly) and our budget reported as 1.2 mill for players salaries (I Know I Know but that is what is being reported)

 

[KeithH]

Ladys and gentleman, many thanks for your views, very interesting reading.

 

[Son of Cod]

Like I said, no wonder this country is fucked.

When did you say that? I forgot how sensitive you get x

 

[Sydney Posse]

Only if you promise to stop knocking us out of the FA Cup what feels like every other year

 

[Chris FGR]

Ladys and gentleman, many thanks for your views, very interesting reading.

All this thread proves is how many selfish c*** there are on here. Give them half a chance of there being only 1 relegation spot and they pile in to kick you while your down. Disgusting and sad to see.

 

[Son of Cod]

All this thread proves is how many selfish c*** there are on here. Give them half a chance of there being only 1 relegation spot and they pile in to kick you while your down. Disgusting and sad to see.

You do understand the single relegation spot in the division is there because of Bury's mismanagement, don't you? I don't even get what your point is here? Do you think people in here are in favour of getting rid of Bury so that one less team goes down? If so, you've completely misunderstood what most people are saying.

 

[KeithH]

I asked the question to gauge the views of fans I have interacted with last season who this affects.
I do not and will not judge others for what is, in essence, their own views.
I thank all of you who have contributed to this thread either for or against.

 

[Chris FGR]

People are demanding Bury be made an example of. But making an example of them achieves nothing. They were cheated by Day and Dale, who won't give a fuck about what happens to the club, so why are the fans being punished for that. They've already been demoted and banned from playing for a season. Why punish them even further? The only possible reason that people can want to see them kicked out altogether is to cover themselves. No other reason makes logical sense.

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

People are demanding Bury be made an example of. But making an example of them achieves nothing. They were cheated by Day and Dale, who won't give a fuck about what happens to the club, so why are the fans being punished for that. They've already been demoted and banned from playing for a season. Why punish them even further? The only possible reason that people can want to see them kicked out altogether is to cover themselves. No other reason makes logical sense.

If you read the replies that have been posted in response, you will see that your accusation(s) have little if no foundation.
What's your problem, did you pick them in a sweepstake?

 

[jbet]

Cheat your way to a promotion at the expense of the rest of the teams in the divison only to be let back in after 12 months on the naughty step?

Feel sorry for the fans, but no fucking chance.

 

[KeithH]

Cheat your way to a promotion at the expense of the rest of the teams in the divison only to be let back in after 12 months on the naughty step?

Feel sorry for the fans, but no fucking chance.

To be fair the "cheating" was the season before, we didn't overpay last season (we didn't even feckin pay at all half the time"
The main problem is dodgy loans including 1 for £3,600,000 of which only £140,000 appears in the accounts!! the rest on "introduction" fees to a certain Glen Thomas (allegedly) who you lot may be familiar with.

 

[Lborostag]

Should Mansfield now be promoted to League 1 because that's the place Bury took through their overspending/cheating?
When an Olympic medallist is found guilty of cheating, their medal is withdrawn and then goes to the one placed below them and so on...

We are doing shit enough in league 2, league 1 would be embarrassing!

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

We are doing shit enough in league 2, league 1 would be embarrassing!

 

[Casey]

It's all moot though. Until Bury get rid of the current owners and have a financially sound structure in place there is no way they should be allowed back in.

When and if they fulfil the criteria to be an EFL club they can apply for election. Each application should be looked at "as is" and not on what has gone before. Having said that a serial offenders application would carry the baggage of previous regimes.

My club went into administration a few years back. Run by idiots, who, it appeared, just couldn't be bothered to pay the bills. Thankfully people with more hours than me got rid of them, paid the CVA and the laid the foundations for the club to progress. That's what's got to happen at Bury.

Casey

 

[Kim Jong Un]

Nah we need you to go down to give us more of a chance of staying up

Sorry to bring up an old post on this thread, but what the hell has happened to Scunthorpe, I thought you always had a decent budget behind you?

 

[valefan16]

Sorry to bring up an old post on this thread, but what the hell has happened to Scunthorpe, I thought you always had a decent budget behind you?

Notts County spent a decent amount to go down last season, as did Chesterfield...

Scunny are doing what a few L1 sides have done and struggled first time down, we won our opening game of the season in our first spell down... managed 2 draws in the next 10/11 games. Plenty of time but seems to be one surprise package struggling each season currently. Everyone assumes Scunny will turn it around... as they did Chesterfield and Notts you just never know.

 

[Bottega Don]

Sorry to bring up an old post on this thread, but what the hell has happened to Scunthorpe, I thought you always had a decent budget behind you?

We did for quite a few seasons in L1, we massively overspent when Graham Alexander and Mark Robins were our managers. We wasted it by not going up. We then sold all of our best players for big profits and the money wasn't reinvested as the chairman didn't want to spend so excessively for nothing anymore. Our budget is a lot smaller this season. However, it's still not reflective of where we are now. We should be doing better but just can't snap out of the losing streak. We haven't won in 16 games and I can't see that ending anytime soon.

 

[dedwardp]

We did for quite a few seasons in L1, we massively overspent when Graham Alexander and Mark Robins were our managers. We wasted it by not going up. We then sold all of our best players for big profits and the money wasn't reinvested as the chairman didn't want to spend so excessively for nothing anymore. Our budget is a lot smaller this season. However, it's still not reflective of where we are now. We should be doing better but just can't snap out of the losing streak. We haven't won in 16 games and I can't see that ending anytime soon.

Sounds similar to us around 10 years ago. Threw loads of money at it trying to get back into the Championship, Boothroyd failed when he should have got us up. Then we went to the other extreme - cut the spending, put all the money into the academy, filled the team with youngsters and eventually dropped out the other end.

 

[Soup Ladle]

We did for quite a few seasons in L1, we massively overspent when Graham Alexander and Mark Robins were our managers. We wasted it by not going up. We then sold all of our best players for big profits and the money wasn't reinvested as the chairman didn't want to spend so excessively for nothing anymore. Our budget is a lot smaller this season. However, it's still not reflective of where we are now. We should be doing better but just can't snap out of the losing streak. We haven't won in 16 games and I can't see that ending anytime soon.

Similar story to us when we were top end of L1. See you soon. In hell.

 

[Vanni]

Similar story to us when we were top end of L1. See you soon. In hell.

I sure recall that 2005 PO final Soup. I remember watching it together with my dad on Sky, not that I was really looking forward to any footy that year with the U's future looking very bleak. But anyway like I said on the other thread, the old man's a bit of a 2CW so obvs he thought that Owls pen was the right call while I thought it was a disgraceful decision.

 

[Soup Ladle]

I sure recall that 2005 PO final Soup. I remember watching it together with my dad on Sky, not that I was really looking forward to any footy that year with the U's future looking very bleak. But anyway like I said on the other thread, the old man's a bit of a 2CW so obvs he thought that Owls pen was the right call while I thought it was a disgraceful decision.

After spending many bitter years in denial, now it's one of them 'seen it given'. It was a very very soft decision especially so late on. The lad went down easy but I guess who wouldn't when you're losing the PO final? Westwood, who 'brought him down' was in tears and got sent off for dissent. Our chairman later published a letter he got saying decisions were gonna go against us in that game and we went down the following season with a bigger budget than the one that got us in 3 consecutive L1 play offs. We went back up again first attempt and spent 5/6 mid table L1 seasons on reduced budget before we careered into non league.

 

[Bottega Don]

Similar story to us when we were top end of L1. See you soon. In hell.

Can see us joining the brotherhood down there. We're the only Lincolnshire team to not have ever been down there, supposed it's our turn.

 

[northstandexile]

Nobody in their right mind will pay the CVA (25% of the current debt), and then still not own their ground with it mortgaged up to the hilt.

Best bet for Bury fans is to form AFC Bury and start next year in North West Counties and ground share at FCUM.