Relegation thread

[Luke Imp]

This is the time to come down, because the standard is terrible.

 

[E10rifle]

Odd insult. We have a local derby with Rochdale well done for noticing.

Did you enjoy it? Xxx

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

This is the time to come down, because the standard is terrible.

Until we get a drubbing at Chelmsford/ Hampton & Richmond/ Sutton/ Bromley/ AFC Fylde/ Solihull Moors...

 

[Luke Imp]

Tbf, Fylde are minted (and decent). Spending £50k on a player and handing out 3 year deals.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Tbf, Fylde are minted (and decent). Spending £50k on a player and handing out 3 year deals.

Which is why they'd beat us.

 

[NolansOrient]

Another weekend, another defeat. Non-league here we come.

 

[Optogas]

The conference is fine for a season, but it's not usually that simple. Would have killed the club if we had got stuck down there. Think Orient would really struggle with their owner ala Stockport. As for being too good to go down? We had Parkes, Lee Brown, Jj O Toole, Mildenhall and several other quality league 2 players but bad management, an unhappy and disjointed dressing room and too many big ego's sunk us like a stone. No one is ever too big to drop out of the league ask Tranmere

 

[George Reilly's Hairpiece]

We are so in this battle now.

Bottom 2 with arguably the best striker in the division. If Akinde gets injured, and we've been lucky that he's not been in his 2 and a quarter years with us, then we are completely screwed. Even with him scoring at rate of 2 goals every 3 games it's not good enough.

Personally I think we should change the manager now, but I suspect our chairman will give him more time. If Wycombe doesn't bring about a big improvement then that has to be it. After the price increases over the summer which was supposed to be to enable a promotion pushing squad, it's not enough to start looking for 2 teams that will be worse than us this season.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

The conference is fine for a season, but it's not usually that simple. Would have killed the club if we had got stuck down there. Think Orient would really struggle with their owner ala Stockport. As for being too good to go down? We had Parkes, Lee Brown, Jj O Toole, Mildenhall and several other quality league 2 players but bad management, an unhappy and disjointed dressing room and too many big ego's sunk us like a stone. No one is ever too big to drop out of the league ask Tranmere

And Luton... We were too good to go down from League One, but we did.

Absolutely. People will look at Bristol Rovers/ Cheltenham/ Dagenham this season and think the Conference is a tinpot league we/ relegated historic league side should piss on. And whilst it has a level of tinpottery, it isn't.

Wrexham, Lincoln, Stockport and Tranmere are excellent examples of that. Clubs like FGR and Eastleigh have budgets that would be top end for this league, nevermind the one below. The standard at the bottom is poor, Orient v Guiseley (with respect) is hardly going to be a money spinner. Heck, if Orient go down again I would back Becchetti to pull out, which, in itself isn't a bad thing, but the financial hole that would be left behind? Makes it a Catch 22 situation. It would certainly be beyond the fans trust.

 

[shoddycollins]

I think the problem with going down to the conference with a guy like Bechetti, is if it does lead to financial difficulties, the Conference don't pussy-foot around with 10 point deductions like the FL do.

 

[Luke Imp]

You're lucky if you get a points deduction - they usually throw you down the leagues (Hereford, Darlington, Kettering etc)!

 

[Sestonpoolie]

Another weekend, another defeat. Non-league here we come.

Don't know what to expect this Saturday.You've a decent away record,we're pretty crap at home,but we have seemed to get the better of you the last few seasons.

 

[NolansOrient]

Don't know what to expect this Saturday.You've a decent away record,we're pretty crap at home,but we have seemed to get the better of you the last few seasons.

Tough place to go Victoria Park, and you've had some funny results. Unlucky to only draw against Plymouth, good point against Luton, but got hammered 6-1 by Stevenage? Can't make sense of it.

Huge game for us, I can't believe this season has turned into a genuine relegation battle. If we lose we are in serious trouble.

Home win. 1-0.

 

[Urban]

We are so in this battle now.

Bottom 2 with arguably the best striker in the division. If Akinde gets injured, and we've been lucky that he's not been in his 2 and a quarter years with us, then we are completely screwed. Even with him scoring at rate of 2 goals every 3 games it's not good enough.

Personally I think we should change the manager now, but I suspect our chairman will give him more time. If Wycombe doesn't bring about a big improvement then that has to be it. After the price increases over the summer which was supposed to be to enable a promotion pushing squad, it's not enough to start looking for 2 teams that will be worse than us this season.

Allen needs to go now. A result against Wycombe won't have been brought about/will bring about a change in our style or sudden success. We're not close to producing results like we were at the start of the season and have seriously regressed over the last 6 weeks. It's embarrassing and very worrying. I don't even care about the style of play, I just want it semi-successful.

TK needs to get rid of him now - he knows full well the effect relegation can have on the club and I doubt he wants to experience that again. Allen's time is up - thanks for the promotion, but it's finished now. Too stubborn, too deluded, too one-dimensional.

 

[The Terminator]

The conference is fine for a season, but it's not usually that simple. Would have killed the club if we had got stuck down there. Think Orient would really struggle with their owner ala Stockport. As for being too good to go down? We had Parkes, Lee Brown, Jj O Toole, Mildenhall and several other quality league 2 players but bad management, an unhappy and disjointed dressing room and too many big ego's sunk us like a stone. No one is ever too big to drop out of the league ask Tranmere

You're 100% right and I couldn't agree more. Our problem is the idiot above for us, he wouldn't know what to do in the Conference!

Our problem would be our wage bill.

The Likes of Liam Kelly, Robbie Weir, Tom Parkes and Gavin Massey whom we signed on 2-3 year deals this summer will all not be cheap and would probably have to be let go if they don't have a relegation release clause in their contracts.

 

[The Terminator]

Don't know what to expect this Saturday.You've a decent away record,we're pretty crap at home,but we have seemed to get the better of you the last few seasons.

WE NEVER PLAY WELL AT VICTORIA PARK.

We've won there twice in the last 22 years, I remember getting back to London and going out on my mates 24th birthday and celebrating like we'd won the league back in February 2009 when I finally saw us win there 1-0!

The other was a 1-0 on a Tuesday night back in 2011. We was lucky to get that as well.

 

[Si Robin]

Allen needs to go now. A result against Wycombe won't have been brought about/will bring about a change in our style or sudden success. We're not close to producing results like we were at the start of the season and have seriously regressed over the last 6 weeks. It's embarrassing and very worrying. I don't even care about the style of play, I just want it semi-successful.

TK needs to get rid of him now - he knows full well the effect relegation can have on the club and I doubt he wants to experience that again. Allen's time is up - thanks for the promotion, but it's finished now. Too stubborn, too deluded, too one-dimensional.

You can't sack Allen until we've beaten you on Boxing Day. That's the one stand out thing about that game.

 

[mowgli]

You can't sack Allen until we've beaten you on Boxing Day. That's the one stand out thing about that game.

Hopefully he will be sacked after Saturday

 

[BeesKnees]

Hopefully he will be sacked after Saturday

Hope so

 

[NolansOrient]

Another home defeat for the Orient.

I'm perversely looking forward to the Conference as long as our maniac owner finally gets the hint and sells up.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Another home defeat for the Orient.

I'm perversely looking forward to the Conference as long as our maniac owner finally gets the hint and sells up.

Until an away loss on the opening game at Hampton & Richmond Borough followed by a goalless draw in our new derby with Chelmsford City...

 

[E10rifle]

Not looking forward to the Conference, but I'll take it if we get rid of Bullshitty.

 

[rudebwoyben]

I get the feeling that he'd cling on like a limpet, even if you ended up in the Spartan League.

 

[NolansOrient]

I get the feeling that he'd cling on like a limpet, even if you ended up in the Spartan League.

We'd be lucky to have 300 fans left by then...

 

[The Terminator]

I always accepted we'd be non league one day, we've always been a slow moving small club run by old boys.

90% of our fanbase have accepted that under Francesco Becchetti we are going nowhere fast, apart from down. Myself and all the guys I go with have accepted that we are in for a long season, which will almost certainly end up with us getting relegated - The signs from our relegation in 2015 are already showing again.

Its not the players ability, its more their attitude. The last 2 years have seen alarmingly poor attitudes from a large chunk of our players we've recruited since Becchetti has been here. The players give off the attitude of "This is shit working for this group of clowns, therefore its going to fail"

We all know Becchetti likes to have his say, he sends his cronies to the training ground who report back to him and he trys to influence the team selection. Ian Hendon, Kevin Nolan, Andy Hessenthaler & even Alberto Cavasin FFS have all said he has his say in everything that is done - whether its who starts or Saturday or the recent double training sessions in the week leading up to a game. Which is why we find ourselves where we are.

One bloke on our forum put this excellent post on our forum a few days ago, which I will quote:

"This is what i'm wondering. He's tried everything.

Young managers, old managers, experienced managers, inexperienced managers, new coaches, old coaches, Italian coaches, British coaches, director of football, head coaches, managers, interims, etc, and none have worked out.

Expensive players, inexpensive players, youth players, experienced players, players with a winning mentality, players with something to prove, players that have been in the wilderness for years, Internationals, childhood genius', and all have turned out for the 'Becchetti Orient' and for the most part looked absolutely amateur at best.

And in three years has spent the best part of around £10m doing so. He's either the most unluckiest football owner in the world or the reason why all the above has failed. Personally i think the latter and I have absolutely no idea what his next move or even the logic behind his next move will be.

But believing that a 60 year old former Italian manager of the year who effectively retired 5 years ago that can't speak English, has zero experience of lower-league English football and has more relegations on his CV than anyone i've ever known is the solution to our current plight will take some beating."

 

[jacobncfc]

Orient will sack this Italian chap in a couple of months and be panicked into bringing in a steady hand who'll keep them up. What happens long term, though, I have no idea.

 

[shoddycollins]

Orient will sack this Italian chap in a couple of months and be panicked into bringing in a steady hand who'll keep them up. What happens long term, though, I have no idea.

Hello? Who's that? Francesco Bugatti? Listen mate, I don't make them sort of bets anymore.

 

[The Terminator]

Heard this evening that training is a total shambles right now, apparently Cavasin and the translator take training and the players are really struggling to understand what they need to do. No one else allowed to take the training sessions apparently.

Also the players didn't like Andy Hessenthaler and in the summer we really struggled to appoint a manager as no one wanted the job and Becchetti gave both Andy Edwards and Hessenthaler the chance to manage the club, without any contract in front of them. In the end they decided Hessenthaler would take it, but the players didn't like him - And it did show as well...........

 

[shoddycollins]

Heard this evening that training is a total shambles right now, apparently Cavasin and the translator take training and the players are really struggling to understand what they need to do. No one else allowed to take the training sessions apparently.

Also the players didn't like Andy Hessenthaler and in the summer we really struggled to appoint a manager as no one wanted the job and Becchetti gave both Andy Edwards and Hessenthaler the chance to manage the club, without any contract in front of them. In the end they decided Hessenthaler would take it, but the players didn't like him - And it did show as well...........

You've really sunk to a new low if no one wants the job. Usually these so called poison chalices aren't as off putting to managers as you'd think, after all a job at a league club is better than none.

 

[BeesKnees]

Beginning to think the relegation points total will be high this year. Wycombe had a perfectly good goal chalked off by a dozy ref, Newport gave us a good game and Hartlepool should have beaten us if they hadn't hit self destruct.
We've got lucky over the last 3 but I'm still expecting us to be in the bottom third unless we improve significantly.