Saturday 14th August

[F!RTHY]

They were ST holders only yesterday. We don’t have too many of those these days and you could only buy 1 with a ST so could only buy for yourself. On general sale today so let’s see. Reckon we should still more or less sell the 1200 but doubt there will be much above that. Got my ticket this morning… looking forward to it!

Should be a corker, if it’s on! Looks like we’ve sold in excess of 15,000 tickets, so attendance should be circa 17,000ish

What’s the situation with your gaffer and The Vid?

 

[Monkey Tennis]

How can I think have 2 games people will have any sort of idea how the table will finish? Umm, because I'm not a fucking retard.

I think you're consistently proving that you are. The key word is "better" - anybody watching a team will be able to tell if they're any good after watching a team twice more do than they would if they watched them once.

Have a fucking day off, instead of picking up on an innocuous (and accurate) remark in the original thread and turning it into a baffling debate.

Doing something twice gives you a better understanding of it than doing it once. Very, very simple.

 

[Devon_Lad]

I think you're consistently proving that you are. The key word is "better" - anybody watching a team will be able to tell if they're any good after watching a team twice more do than they would if they watched them once.

Have a fucking day off, instead of picking up on an innocuous (and accurate) remark in the original thread and turning it into a baffling debate.

Doing something twice gives you a better understanding of it than doing it once. Very, very simple.

You do not know how a team is going to perform after two games - any better than before the two games. The facts completely back this up by looking at any league table from 2 games in and any final standings. With a transfer window still open and players injured. The comment is factually wrong and a moronic thing to even suggest. Just because you're thick, doesn't change the basics that you're wrong. As usual.

You do not judge or pretend to have an understanding how a football match is going to go after the first two minutes, and there are far less variables there than over the course of a season. Different opposition, transfer windows still open, different pitches, and players out injured. You're a fucking idiot. Come back in October at the earliest, preferably Christmas.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

You do not know how a team is going to perform after two games - any better than before the two games. The facts completely back this up by looking at any league table from 2 games in and any final standings. With a transfer window still open and players injured. The comment is factually wrong and a moronic thing to even suggest. Just because you're thick, doesn't change the basics that you're wrong. As usual.

You do not judge or pretend to have an understanding how a football match is going to go after the first two minutes, and there are far less variables there than over the course of a season. Different opposition, transfer windows still open, different pitches, and players out injured. You're a fucking idiot. Come back in October at the earliest, preferably Christmas.

Absolute nonsense analogy. Plus to use your initial argument, the table will ever so slightly more accurately resemble the final table after two matches than it would after one match. How is it even an argument? It applies to EVERYTHING - the more you do/see/experience something, the better you understand it. Please stop this nonsense.

 

[shoddycollins]

Devon lad has a point, you could argue that an opinion made after two games is no more valid than an opinion made after one. He didn't have to immediately start calling the people he was disagreeing with retards, but sadly that's what he does, he knows no other way of interacting with humans.

Depends on how much weight the pundits give what they see on those opening games over what they already knew. The second game could give you additional information about how teams will perform, but at the same time the second game could throw up something that in retrospect was a bit of a red herring.

For example, everything we know about Scunthorpe this season suggests they're going to struggle. Struggled last year, plus lost any decent players they had, poor recruitment and this is from their own fans... and then they got beat in the first game. So far still confident to predict them to struggle. They could go and beat Rochdale at Spotland on Saturday, anything is possible. But even a poor team win occasionally, does it tell us all that much if they do win?

I think if you're smart about it, like really smart so that rules probably all of us and all pundits too out, you can glean the right information from any match and you will have more to go on after two... so I agree with the majority, just playing Devon's advocate.

 

[Indian Dan]

I’d forgotten just how bitchy this forum can get.

On this particular debate . . .

Who gives a flying fuck

 

[shoddycollins]

Even before they beat Scunny I thought Swindon was going to be a tough game for us, and I had them down as promotion challengers despite most pundits having them down as relegation candidates. I know they've put their squad together very late in the day but it still looks a decent squad and there's still a decent core of players left from their promotion winning side of the other season. I felt that quality combined with the positivity of the home crowd following the takeover would come through in spite of the rookie manager and high squad turnover... and if they beat us they'll have a bit of momentum to get the season going too.

I'm going all HG here but I don't see how we're favourites, even narrow ones. Hopefully Clough will start and hopefully we can get a goal... maybe if we get an early goal things will swing in our favour but at the moment we seem like our forwards are still wearing in their shooting boots, if we were halfway competent in front of goal then we'd have beaten Colchester by one or two and gotten a draw at Sheffield United. That's been without the man tagged as our main goal threat but we can't be a one-man-team, only capable of scoring goals if Clough plays, and we don't know yet if Clough has his shooting boots on either.

It'll be a tough game and a tough atmosphere for players who haven't had to deal with opposition fans very much in the last couple of years. Some of them have yet to deal with more than a handful opposition fans in their careers (maybe that was Chris Beech's thinking behind naming the team he did at Bramall Lane, to say to players like Armer, Mampala, Charters, Bell and Dixon, go out there and get a taste of what this season's going to be like.

 

[Andy Proctor]

With the luck we get with referee decisions you can guarantee tranmere will get at least 1 penalty. Whilst we will continue to get 2 or 3 stonewall penalties turned down and no doubt have a player sent off for breathing on a player. Decisions are meant even themselves out during the season but in vales case they never do. That's why we will never achieve anything as refs don't give us anything.

 

[SELatic]

Should be a corker, if it’s on! Looks like we’ve sold in excess of 15,000 tickets, so attendance should be circa 17,000ish

What’s the situation with your gaffer and The Vid?

Assume he’ll be absent again. Suppose it depends on when he tested positive and how long the isolation period is these days? He was in the dugout on Saturday so would think he’ll be isolating this Saturday. Bahamboula was back yesterday and think we should have some more players back by the weekend hopefully.

 

[Agombar stool]

Even before they beat Scunny I thought Swindon was going to be a tough game for us, and I had them down as promotion challengers despite most pundits having them down as relegation candidates. I know they've put their squad together very late in the day but it still looks a decent squad and there's still a decent core of players left from their promotion winning side of the other season. I felt that quality combined with the positivity of the home crowd following the takeover would come through in spite of the rookie manager and high squad turnover... and if they beat us they'll have a bit of momentum to get the season going too.

I'm going all HG here but I don't see how we're favourites, even narrow ones. Hopefully Clough will start and hopefully we can get a goal... maybe if we get an early goal things will swing in our favour but at the moment we seem like our forwards are still wearing in their shooting boots, if we were halfway competent in front of goal then we'd have beaten Colchester by one or two and gotten a draw at Sheffield United. That's been without the man tagged as our main goal threat but we can't be a one-man-team, only capable of scoring goals if Clough plays, and we don't know yet if Clough has his shooting boots on either.

It'll be a tough game and a tough atmosphere for players who haven't had to deal with opposition fans very much in the last couple of years. Some of them have yet to deal with more than a handful opposition fans in their careers (maybe that was Chris Beech's thinking behind naming the team he did at Bramall Lane, to say to players like Armer, Mampala, Charters, Bell and Dixon, go out there and get a taste of what this season's going to be like.

Have to say I'm inclined to agree, much more confident about this season after our recruitment now. We are 2 decent strikers and a centre back away from putting together a handy enough squad for this season. Last night we played quite well at Cambridge and got more first team minutes into legs which is about all that is missing from the side currently.

We're hoping to have a decent crowd and the atmosphere should be positive. McKirdy is surely going to have a part to play somewhere along the lines. He's looked very good so far. I'm going to go for a 2-0 win and send the new chairman as well as the fans home happy.

Safe travels to the Carlisle fans.

 

[Robshep]

With the luck we get with referee decisions you can guarantee tranmere will get at least 1 penalty. Whilst we will continue to get 2 or 3 stonewall penalties turned down and no doubt have a player sent off for breathing on a player. Decisions are meant even themselves out during the season but in vales case they never do. That's why we will never achieve anything as refs don't give us anything.

We had a player sent off for a perfectly good tackle on saturday and banned for 3 games. Should have punched somebody and made it worthwhile.

 

[valefan16]

We had a player sent off for a perfectly good tackle on saturday and banned for 3 games. Should have punched somebody and made it worthwhile.

Some awful ones so far... the Salford/Derby pen yesterday where hes about 2 foot outside the area was even worse!

 

[Robshep]

Some awful ones so far... the Salford/Derby pen yesterday where hes about 2 foot outside the area was even worse!

Havent seen it because its Salford but heard it was a howler.

 

[Agombar stool]

With the luck we get with referee decisions you can guarantee tranmere will get at least 1 penalty. Whilst we will continue to get 2 or 3 stonewall penalties turned down and no doubt have a player sent off for breathing on a player. Decisions are meant even themselves out during the season but in vales case they never do. That's why we will never achieve anything as refs don't give us anything.

Are you the administrator for the Vale website out of interest?

 

[Robshep]

Referee in the Derby v Hobbyclub game was James Bell. Correct surname.

 

[shoddycollins]

I know I’m not the most overly positive of fans, but I can’t really see where a win is going to come from in these early games.

Last week I was looking at Swindon and Hartlepool as potential victories, but they seem by all accounts to be better than a lot anticipated judging by yesterday’s reports. Leyton Orient and Salford are our next 2 home games but I have them both as top sides in my prediction table. After Swindon on Saturday we go to champions elect Port Vale.

Crawley away on 11th September is the first genuine potential winnable game for us in my opinion. But by then we could be well adrift if we’re as I expect without a win.

All games are genuine potential winnable games. You're targetting Crawley as our first chance to pick up three points because they got beat by Hartlepool at the weekend and ruling out our chances against Swindon and Hartlepool because they won... presumably you view the draw between Orient and Salford as being two big-hitters cancelling each other out.

So, Crawley have a month in which to register a win, by your logic if they manage that then they too will be considered too good for us to have a realistic chance of beating.

 

[chipmunx]

All games are genuine potential winnable games. You're targetting Crawley as our first chance to pick up three points because they got beat by Hartlepool at the weekend and ruling out our chances against Swindon and Hartlepool because they won... presumably you view the draw between Orient and Salford as being two big-hitters cancelling each other out.

So, Crawley have a month in which to register a win, by your logic if they manage that then they too will be considered too good for us to have a realistic chance of beating.

can you remind HG that you will play Scunthorpe at some point if you havn't won after the Crawley game.....

 

[Devon_Lad]

He didn't have to immediately start calling the people he was disagreeing with retards,

I didn't. I said I'm not a fucking retard, after I was first called thick.

 

[HutchECFC]

Potential for our game at Orient on Saturday to be off.. depending on Covid test results coming back today/tomorrow. Nombe & Hartridge tested positive, Key has the symptoms (Key has already had it once too) and a staff member has tested positive.

 

[hellogregory]

All games are genuine potential winnable games. You're targetting Crawley as our first chance to pick up three points because they got beat by Hartlepool at the weekend and ruling out our chances against Swindon and Hartlepool because they won... presumably you view the draw between Orient and Salford as being two big-hitters cancelling each other out.

So, Crawley have a month in which to register a win, by your logic if they manage that then they too will be considered too good for us to have a realistic chance of beating.

I wasnt thinking Crawley bcos they lost to Hartlepool, you’ve made that up. I was thinking crawley because we always seem to beat them.

The problem is, to win a game you actually have to score a goal. Ive attended both games so far this season and whilst we’ve looked decent defensively, we do not look capable of scoring a goal. To be honest we look absolutely clueless when we get anywhere near the penalty area.

I’m actually a bit more optimistic about Saturday now. The defence has been a pleasant surprise and from what I’ve seen we are capable of defending competently so I think a 0-0 is a possibility. I’m not saying we will get the clean sheet and point but I rate our chances as decent.

Scoring a goal however looks like an impossibility right now. Maybe that will change if Clough returns, but I’m thinking the fact he wasn’t even on the bench last night would mean Saturday will come too soon to be starting.

 

[kieran_vale]

I wasnt thinking Crawley bcos they lost to Hartlepool, you’ve made that up. I was thinking crawley because we always seem to beat them.

The problem is, to win a game you actually have to score a goal. Ive attended both games so far this season and whilst we’ve looked decent defensively, we do not look capable of scoring a goal. To be honest we look absolutely clueless when we get anywhere near the penalty area.

I’m actually a bit more optimistic about Saturday now. The defence has been a pleasant surprise and from what I’ve seen we are capable of defending competently so I think a 0-0 is a possibility. I’m not saying we will get the clean sheet and point but I rate our chances as decent.

Scoring a goal however looks like an impossibility right now. Maybe that will change if Clough returns, but I’m thinking the fact he wasn’t even on the bench last night would mean Saturday will come too soon to be starting.

You'll know more than me as haven't seen you play but you have the likes of Callum Guy who had the most assists in the league last season. If you have someone who can create like he can then the law of averages says you'll put one of them in soon enough. Besides its League 2, everyone from top to bottom can and do beat each other on any given day.

 

[hellogregory]

We’ve created 3 or 4 good chances in these 2 games. Well when I say create, a few of them have been gifted to us really… but our finishing is fucking atrocious.

I’m thinking we should use some of the money we got for Hayden to bring in a proper number 9.

 

[Casey]

HG: Crawley's loss to Hartlepool was helped by our manager being an idiot an playing a system we haven't played in ages (Hartlepool outplayed us, no excuses) but the reason he went with it was because we only had one fit forward. Last night we went back to 442 and looked a whole lot better.

But let's be honest. Carlisle normally beat us.

Casey

 

[Bottega Don]

If Rochdale want to be lovely and score some own goals this weekend it would be nice, not a chance we're scoring any other way.

 

[hellogregory]

HG: Crawley's loss to Hartlepool was helped by our manager being an idiot an playing a system we haven't played in ages (Hartlepool outplayed us, no excuses) but the reason he went with it was because we only had one fit forward. Last night we went back to 442 and looked a whole lot better.

But let's be honest. Carlisle normally beat us.

Casey

Exactly. I was basing my first winnable game being Crawley on the fact our recent record against them is really good, nothing at all to do with the Hartlepool defeat.

 

[Big Bird]

I think some of the attendance predictions on our forum are a bit optimistic. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we get over 7.5k.

Will go Swindon 3-1 Carlisle but no result would really surprise me. Just delighted to get myself back inside a football stadium again! Had a promotion, relegation, two new managers and a takeover since i last witnessed a game in the flesh.

 

[BarraMatt]

Did Bradford ever get that striker they've been linked with all summer?

 

[Kauto Star]

Did Bradford ever get that striker they've been linked with all summer?

No. It all went quiet after we heard we had 2 bids rejected for the mystery striker. We have since signed Caolan Lavery on a free.

Whether we are still in for another striker remains to be seen.

Our number 10 shirt is still free, so whether that's telling or not, I'm not sure.

We could do with strengthening central midfield in my opinion though

 

[F!RTHY]

Did Bradford ever manage to sign Zanzala?

No mate, we got outmuscled by you.

 

[BarraMatt]

No mate, we got outmuscled by you.

Famous lights of the shipyard were too appealing.