The BELEAGUERED Carlisle Utd Thread

[hellogregory]

Maybe the reaction of some of your moronic fanbase at the end of the play off 2nd leg, gloating and throwing bottles at us has something to do with it?

Plus Harry leaving us to 'better himself' despite his so called love-in with our fans and our City

what’s that got to do with us on here though?

I don’t judge you boys on yet here by the small moronic section of your fanbase (we all have them).

Harry left you for more money. Nothing else. If that’s all people class as bettering themselves then fair enough.

 

[hellogregory]

Carlisle will be fine eventually. They have enough good players there. Problem is between Simpson and Williamson that’s a pretty big sea change in the style of play so never going to be improving instantly.

We have some good players, even though they aren’t showing it. But my god we have so many holes in the squad where we have terrible players.

I expect a slight improvement when some more of the injured players return, but we’ll still have the terrible players in certain positions.

 

[hellogregory]

So Chesterfield/Wrexham/Notts County/Grimsby/Stockport/Bromley fans, what's the National League like now?

It’s shit. We need to avoid it at all costs.

The owners will need to foot the bill for whatever it costs to bring in the required players to clear up Simpson’s mess and get us out of this shit.

 

[Carver]

It’s shit. We need to avoid it at all costs.

The owners will need to foot the bill for whatever it costs to bring in the required players to clear up Simpson’s mess and get us out of this shit.

Starting with that bloody defence.

How the likes of Mellish, Barclay, Lavelle and Robinson are still with us I don't know and we need some actual full backs.

Going to need new forwards too because for the amount of money Armstrong cost and Wyke is on they've been absolutely useless plus that utter crock Kelly and that little refugee ffs.

At least Guy is back now and looking composed already and miles better than every other midfielder we have who are fucking shite bar Charters who also looked allright.

 

[GTFCfish]

So Chesterfield/Wrexham/Notts County/Grimsby/Stockport/Bromley fans, what's the National League like now?

It’s pretty easy, with a bit of luck you will be comfortable mid table bottom half in it next season mate.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

If you want to know about the league below the National League then Stocky is your man.

 

[Kauto Star]

what’s that got to do with us on here though?

I don’t judge you boys on yet here by the small moronic section of your fanbase (we all have them).

Harry left you for more money. Nothing else. If that’s all people class as bettering themselves then fair enough.

It's got nothing to do with you on here, hopefully, it's banter. Since I've been on here all I generally see is respect from opposition fans to be fair.

 

[Kauto Star]

Starting with that bloody defence.

How the likes of Mellish, Barclay, Lavelle and Robinson are still with us I don't know and we need some actual full backs.

Going to need new forwards too because for the amount of money Armstrong cost and Wyke is on they've been absolutely useless plus that utter crock Kelly and that little refugee ffs.

At least Guy is back now and looking composed already and miles better than every other midfielder we have who are fucking shite bar Charters who also looked allright.

Has Charlie boy scored in the league yet?

I think we dodged a bullet with him going for the big bucks over coming back to Bradford City.

Same with Harry Lewis really. He was a one season football league wonder. We have ended up with a much more steadier keeper in Sam Walker.

I wouldn't mind a fit again Callum Guy back here though. But we obviously cannot compete with your mega bucks wages

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The harsh reality is Carlisle deserve where they are, the likes of Accrington and Morecambe are there working on a pittance trying to find bargans, they are battling and scrapping with players probably not at this level and trying to get best out of them.

Carlisle meanwhile had not one, but two transfer windows with big budgets for L2, have spent between £200-500,000 on transfer fees and given wages a large chunk in this league would love to have.

And what has it been spent on……lazy incompetent wasters putting in next to no effort, lacking any care, either crocked or downright awful………the waste has been criminal really, similar to teams like Reading, Birmingham and Charlton in terms of wasting lots of cash on total and utter crap.

And then to top the mess off they give a manager two windows and a summer to build a team, style and setup……ditch him the moment the transfer window closes and decide to go with a 100% turn in regards to formation, style and approach with zero players at the club capable at all to play it.

If we go down it’s 100% deserved because of the number of ridiculous decisions made, the only real hope is I can see these owners again wasting a massive amount of cash in January to frankly replace the entire team and just hoping the new manager frankly at least knows what he is doing player wisel

 

[Kauto Star]

The harsh reality is Carlisle deserve where they are, the likes of Accrington and Morecambe are there working on a pittance trying to find bargans, they are battling and scrapping with players probably not at this level and trying to get best out of them.

Carlisle meanwhile had not one, but two transfer windows with big budgets for L2, have spent between £200-500,000 on transfer fees and given wages a large chunk in this league would love to have.

And what has it been spent on……lazy incompetent wasters putting in next to no effort, lacking any care, either crocked or downright awful………the waste has been criminal really, similar to teams like Reading, Birmingham and Charlton in terms of wasting lots of cash on total and utter crap.

And then to top the mess off they give a manager two windows and a summer to build a team, style and setup……ditch him the moment the transfer window closes and decide to go with a 100% turn in regards to formation, style and approach with zero players at the club capable at all to play it.

If we go down it’s 100% deserved because of the number of ridiculous decisions made, the only real hope is I can see these owners again wasting a massive amount of cash in January to frankly replace the entire team and just hoping the new manager frankly at least knows what he is doing player wisel

Mike Williamson doesn't strike me as the type of manager you would need to battle yourself away from the relegation zone. From what I've seen, all tippy tappy possession based football getting you nowhere.

 

[Moonie]

Has Charlie boy scored in the league yet?

I think we dodged a bullet with him going for the big bucks over coming back to Bradford City.

Same with Harry Lewis really. He was a one season football league wonder. We have ended up with a much more steadier keeper in Sam Walker.

I wouldn't mind a fit again Callum Guy back here though. But we obviously cannot compete with your mega bucks wages

Two goals for Wyke, both in the same game. Minimal contribution beyond that. I’ve rarely seen a player move so little. Looks like he’s here for one last pay day and isn’t interested in football.

Much is being put on the shoulders of Callum Guy, and we improved instantly when he came on yesterday. But we’re in serious trouble here. Criminal that such a mess has been created over the last two transfer windows.

 

[hellogregory]

Two goals for Wyke, both in the same game. Minimal contribution beyond that. I’ve rarely seen a player move so little. Looks like he’s here for one last pay day and isn’t interested in football.

Much is being put on the shoulders of Callum Guy, and we improved instantly when he came on yesterday. But we’re in serious trouble here. Criminal that such a mess has been created over the last two transfer windows.

He’s injured. He’s literally having to play through a neck and upper back injury because we’re that depleted we’d have no one else to play. Once DAA returns I’d hope we allow him 3 or 4 games off to fully recover.

 

[Carver]

We keep letting other clubs con us out of big money.

Harrogate did it with Luke Armstrong(250k), Bradford with Harry Lewis(150k) and MK Dons with Mike Williamson(200k).

That's 600k all together plus a load of shite and crocks we've signed who are on big contracts of around 5 - 7k a week and we're bottom of L2 in October.

What a shambles.

 

[EnglishRed]

So Chesterfield/Wrexham/Notts County/Grimsby/Stockport/Bromley fans, what's the National League like now?

You're not going to like it. Both better (overall higher standard/more professional) and worse (harder to get out of) and whn when you were down there last. Also more 4G pitches which is great for injuring your best players at key moments in the season.

That said you'd you do go down it might be a good chance to strip everything back and start again. You'll have the resources to do that won't you? So I can see your stay being a short one and you might come back better.

 

[hellogregory]

We keep letting other clubs con us out of big money.

Harrogate did it with Luke Armstrong(250k), Bradford with Harry Lewis(150k) and MK Dons with Mike Williamson(200k).

That's 600k all together plus a load of shite and crocks we've signed who are on big contracts of around 5 - 7k a week and we're bottom of L2 in October.

What a shambles.

When is Carlisle United not a shambles?

The whole thing is some sort of psychological experiment on a select group of people (us fans).

 

[Moonie]

He’s injured. He’s literally having to play through a neck and upper back injury because we’re that depleted we’d have no one else to play. Once DAA returns I’d hope we allow him 3 or 4 games off to fully recover.

In which case I'd rather we start with Armstrong. He may not be a classic 'number 9', but he's far more involved than Charlie - and it may just help Wyke's recovery. Either way, it shows just how poor the recruitment has been over the past two windows. All that dollar, and so little to show for it...

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

We keep letting other clubs con us out of big money.

Harrogate did it with Luke Armstrong(250k), Bradford with Harry Lewis(150k) and MK Dons with Mike Williamson(200k).

That's 600k all together plus a load of shite and crocks we've signed who are on big contracts of around 5 - 7k a week and we're bottom of L2 in October.

What a shambles.

I wish you could go back in time and speak to yourself to around the time you successfully stole Armstrong away from Wrexham.

 

[Carver]

In which case I'd rather we start with Armstrong. He may not be a classic 'number 9', but he's far more involved than Charlie - and it may just help Wyke's recovery. Either way, it shows just how poor the recruitment has been over the past two windows. All that dollar, and so little to show for it...

The next time we spend big money on a player or manager I only want it to be on someone who's actually doing well at the time we sign them.
Not someone who had a good spell a season or two before and are now shit and wanted rid of by their club and fans.

 

[hellogregory]

In which case I'd rather we start with Armstrong. He may not be a classic 'number 9', but he's far more involved than Charlie - and it may just help Wyke's recovery. Either way, it shows just how poor the recruitment has been over the past two windows. All that dollar, and so little to show for it...

Yeah, if Georgie Kelly wasn’t permanently in a wheelchair, we’d have at least one more option.

The recruitment has been pathetic. Some of them are no doubt decent players, but as mentioned previously, too many gaping holes and weak areas in the squad.

How Greg Abbott is still employed is something I can’t get my head round.

 

[Optipez]

It’s shit. We need to avoid it at all costs.

The owners will need to foot the bill for whatever it costs to bring in the required players to clear up Simpson’s mess and get us out of this shit.

It's easier to stay up than get back up for most teams.

 

[Carver]

You're not going to like it. Both better (overall higher standard/more professional) and worse (harder to get out of) and whn when you were down there last. Also more 4G pitches which is great for injuring your best players at key moments in the season.

That said you'd you do go down it might be a good chance to strip everything back and start again. You'll have the resources to do that won't you? So I can see your stay being a short one and you might come back better.

Which clubs have 4G pitches and how are they even allowed?

I thought it was just Bromley who were notorious for having one.

 

[Stocky]

Which clubs have 4G pitches and how are they even allowed?

I thought it was just Bromley who were notorious for having one.

Quite a few seem to have it and it gives them an unfair advantage. I can't stand them. I like to go and watch local non League football now and again (I did it most weeks for 11 years following my lot before anyone chimes in) but I'd never pay and watch a home team with a plastic pitch. Just isn't football and I think with the National League being more 90-95% full time, they should be banned at that level.

Bromley, Sutton and Harrogate have all gone up to L2 with a plastic pitch and had to dig it up when the got to the FL.

Some of the bounces on them are ridiculous, there's no chance it promotes better football, it bounces higher so long ball teams get an extra incentive for launching it in.

I'm less in touch in this years NL as part of my PTSD training is trying not to care but off the top of my head I can only think of Tamworth who have one in this year's NL. Bromley went up, Dorking and Oxford City went down.

 

[LS Bantam]

Surely 4G pitches are primarily installed for cost/community factors rather than on field advantages? Can’t help but feel their 24/7 availability, rental opportunities, maintenance costs… outstrip tactical advantages when choosing whether or not to go with one over grass. I believe Bromley have lost out on a lot of their pitches community use having had to switch to grass?
I live by Farsley Celtic who are in the process of having one fitted (all be it badly, it should’ve been finished weeks ago), FIFA grade 2 standard which is at a level to host UEFA/FIFA games.

 

[Stocky]

Surely 4G pitches are primarily installed for cost/community factors rather than on field advantages? Can’t help but feel their 24/7 availability, rental opportunities, maintenance costs… outstrip tactical advantages when choosing whether or not to go with one over grass. I believe Bromley have lost out on a lot of their pitches community use having had to switch to grass?
I live by Farsley Celtic who are in the process of having one fitted (all be it badly, it should’ve been finished weeks ago), FIFA grade 2 standard which is at a level to host UEFA/FIFA games.

Yeah it is for those reasons but it's tinpot as fuck when you're a professional outfit and it does bring about an element of an on field advantage in my opinion. Although I agree it isn't the primary aim.

 

[GEORGE]

Yeah it is for those reasons but it's tinpot as fuck when you're a professional outfit and it does bring about an element of an on field advantage in my opinion. Although I agree it isn't the primary aim.

I'm sure in my time I've seen plastic pitches at QPR, Preston & Oldham. They were all terrible to play on.

 

[Cloudy]

Surely 4G pitches are primarily installed for cost/community factors rather than on field advantages? Can’t help but feel their 24/7 availability, rental opportunities, maintenance costs… outstrip tactical advantages when choosing whether or not to go with one over grass. I believe Bromley have lost out on a lot of their pitches community use having had to switch to grass?
I live by Farsley Celtic who are in the process of having one fitted (all be it badly, it should’ve been finished weeks ago), FIFA grade 2 standard which is at a level to host UEFA/FIFA games.

Bromley’s new pitch ( a hybrid type) was paid for in full by London City Lionesses, who now use the pitch.
There are other 4/5G pitches adjacent to the stadium

 

[valefan16]

Its a strange one with Carlisle as they probably are one of the few if only clubs to have a comparable budget to us this season with spending on fee's and wages, both of us come down so had a losing mentality to overcome but they've really struggled to do what we have an turn that around.

Is it because they made most of their big signings in January so they endured most of the losing mentality whilst we made our big changes in the summer so had much more fresh mentalities?

Possibly Moore being more of a solid style of football so can grind it and battle it out compared to tippy tappy which is great when winning regularly but not when losing.

Interesting contrast so far between two sides almost in the same boat financially and performance wise coming into this season.

 

[hellogregory]

We may have spent similar money, but port vale spent theirs way better.

We allowed a finished manager and a clueless head of recruitment another summer to waste a good budget. Huge mistake that will more than likely cost us our football league status.

Don’t get me wrong, they have brought in some decent players, but they’ve neglected or got it wrong in so many positions. We are a team with gaping holes and huge drop offs in quality in certain positions which is hindering the good players we actually do have. It can be rectified in January as we have the money, but this team is that bad that January will be too late. We might be on 12-14 points by January if we’re lucky. We’ll be gone by that stage.

 

[クレイグ]

Well there's some good news for Carlisle fans at least. We've got so many injuries you won't be getting anyone from us in Jan!

 

[Carver]

We may have spent similar money, but port vale spent theirs way better.

We allowed a finished manager and a clueless head of recruitment another summer to waste a good budget. Huge mistake that will more than likely cost us our football league status.

Don’t get me wrong, they have brought in some decent players, but they’ve neglected or got it wrong in so many positions. We are a team with gaping holes and huge drop offs in quality in certain positions which is hindering the good players we actually do have. It can be rectified in January as we have the money, but this team is that bad that January will be too late. We might be on 12-14 points by January if we’re lucky. We’ll be gone by that stage.

That's right, there are still many gaping holes with our defence being the worst. Barclay, Lavelle and Robinson should all have been sacked off and replaced with better defenders. Also Mellish being given a 3 year contract extension is completely baffling.

The defence has to be the priority in January.