The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[silkyman]

We'll see about that, I know the current wisdom is that Labour are hopeless, too left wing blah, blah .. But let's see what happens when a settled anti- austerity party finds it's feet.

I think they need to go for the throat a bit at times like this though. Hard, because they are fighting against the government and the weight of most of the media, but there are chinks in the armour now. If Corbyn and his team have anything about them, they could tear into them.

If the country votes in or out, then they will be in pieces. If it's 'in' as Corbyn is backing, then he will have a big boost.

 

[Aber gas]

I think they need to go for the throat a bit at times like this though. Hard, because they are fighting against the government and the weight of most of the media, but there are chinks in the armour now. If Corbyn and his team have anything about them, they could tear into them.

If the country votes in or out, then they will be in pieces. If it's 'in' as Corbyn is backing, then he will have a big boost.

I agree with you, I've seen Corbyn speak a few times and the guy is an articulate and powerful orator but that doesn't seem to be happening currently. Just go for them jezza !

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Urgh, IDS is an awful individual. His reasons for going are clearly bullshit but hey, good fucking riddance.

 

[SUTSS]

I agree with you, I've seen Corbyn speak a few times and the guy is an articulate and powerful orator but that doesn't seem to be happening currently. Just go for them jezza !

I just don't think Corbyn is very good at playing politics. There have been several occasions where he has missed an opportunity to go after Cameron (i.e. not mentioning doctor's contracts in PMQs the day after they were huge news) or said something that just didn't need to be said (i.e. that he'd rather see Jihadi John put on trial). McDonnell seems to be a little better but I think what they really lack is someone on the frontline who can 'do politics' as it were.

 

[.V.]

I just don't think Corbyn is very good at playing politics. There have been several occasions where he has missed an opportunity to go after Cameron (i.e. not mentioning doctor's contracts in PMQs the day after they were huge news) or said something that just didn't need to be said (i.e. that he'd rather see Jihadi John put on trial). McDonnell seems to be a little better but I think what they really lack is someone on the frontline who can 'do politics' as it were.

This is my problem with him. I like his politics but don't think he's a good politician.

 

[Aber gas]

This is my problem with him. I like his politics but don't think he's a good politician.

Personally I think judging him so soon is a mistake. It's relatively early in his leadership and the internal strife has been well documented, he can do politics and I've seen him rip apart self serving politicians enough times in the past.
I hope I'm right because the Tory party is a mess at the moment.

 

[mowgli]

As a disabled person myself with severe mobility problems i can't put into words just how happy i felt when i heard this I celebrated with opening a bottle of cider brandy which i was saving for a special occasion but didn't go mad with it. I know of no other person who despises the sick and disabled as much as this vile man who has the death of thousands under his tenure at the DWP. My one hope is that at the end of our lives we face judgement and his will be pure hell.

 

[NorthernSoul]

As a disabled person myself with severe mobility problems i can't put into words just how happy i felt when i heard this I celebrated with opening a bottle of cider brandy which i was saving for a special occasion but didn't go mad with it. I know of no other person who despises the sick and disabled as much as this vile man who has the death of thousands under his tenure at the DWP. My one hope is that at the end of our lives we face judgement and his will be pure hell.

Sorry to disappoint, as much of a tosser as IDS is, and when I heard the news I was delighted to see him go. This new bloke is even more of a disabled hater. He voted for even more extreme cuts to the disabled than IDS. This new bloke will really turn the screw on the disabled now. Just think of the extra money he can claim to redo one of his houses up with these benefit cuts.

 

[Pliny Harris]

He must be gutted that he didn't see a screen listing his Total Kills when he quit.

 

[mowgli]

Sorry to disappoint, as much of a tosser as IDS is, and when I heard the news I was delighted to see him go. This new bloke is even more of a disabled hater. He voted for even more extreme cuts to the disabled than IDS. This new bloke will really turn the screw on the disabled now. Just think of the extra money he can claim to redo one of his houses up with these benefit cuts.

The government were backing down with the cuts after pressure all around including from their own MP's who threatened to vote to stops these cuts to PIP from happening. It seems to me that Gideon and pig poker were shocked at the uproar caused by the idea of making thousands of people's lives even more difficult than they are already. Tory MP's are not stupid and know they could lose their seats in 2020,they are not doing this for the reason that it's morally wrong but more for self survival. The Tories only have a majority of 12 and with all the u-turns they have had to make since May know that another loss in a vote will mean the end of this bunch of vile and cruel posh boys being the government and could end up in opposition for a long while like the 13 years last time.

 

[Madejski]

It is interesting how the topic of EU has completely escaped from party politics. Damaging (like in this IDS scenario) but going to continue to be an interesting follow for months, even after the referendum.

 

[.V.]

Personally I think judging him so soon is a mistake. It's relatively early in his leadership and the internal strife has been well documented, he can do politics and I've seen him rip apart self serving politicians enough times in the past.
I hope I'm right because the Tory party is a mess at the moment.

His lack of discipline with his message is disturbing. He should be hammering the Tories, but, for example, he has gone to CND rallies and made Trident an issue. Whilst I can see the logic of it (scrapping Trident saves money,) it gives ammunition to his detractors and creates splits in his own party. His time and the political narrative he can shape should be spent elsewhere.

His response to Gideon's budget was spot on mind, and that's the path he and his party need to keep walking.

As much as I hate the Tories, I admire their ability to stay on message, even if it's bollocks. I also admire their ability to sell themselves as moderates, when their record in government is anything but. He should move to the right in opposition and to the left in power, the inverse of which the Tories have done.

 

[mowgli]

I would support that tactic, moving to the right to allay people's fears that he is a throwback to Labour under Foot in the early 80's that kept the Tories in power for far too long.

 

[Aber gas]

His lack of discipline with his message is disturbing. He should be hammering the Tories, but, for example, he has gone to CND rallies and made Trident an issue. Whilst I can see the logic of it (scrapping Trident saves money,) it gives ammunition to his detractors and creates splits in his own party. His time and the political narrative he can shape should be spent elsewhere.

His response to Gideon's budget was spot on mind, and that's the path he and his party need to keep walking.

As much as I hate the Tories, I admire their ability to stay on message, even if it's bollocks. I also admire their ability to sell themselves as moderates, when their record in government is anything but. He should move to the right in opposition and to the left in power, the inverse of which the Tories have done.

That's a fair enough assessment, I'm still behind him fully but I'll admit to being a bit dissapointed in the sometimes tame attacks on a faltering government.

 

[blade1889]

The government were backing down with the cuts after pressure all around including from their own MP's who threatened to vote to stops these cuts to PIP from happening. It seems to me that Gideon and pig poker were shocked at the uproar caused by the idea of making thousands of people's lives even more difficult than they are already. Tory MP's are not stupid and know they could lose their seats in 2020,they are not doing this for the reason that it's morally wrong but more for self survival. The Tories only have a majority of 12 and with all the u-turns they have had to make since May know that another loss in a vote will mean the end of this bunch of vile and cruel posh boys being the government and could end up in opposition for a long while like the 13 years last time.

They have the government till 2020, I doubt they're worried that one more defeat is going to over throw them...cos, well, it wouldn't. It may come as a surprise but not every Tory is a vile and cruel posh boy.

The IDS saga is ridiculous and is the first example of infighting in the Tories...would be surprised if this hasn't essentially blown over by the time of the next election.

 

[Pyeman]

The real issues are the teacher recruitment crisis which the government continue to ignore.

This is a very good point. My fiancée is a head of Maths and she can't even find shit teachers to fill her department, let alone good ones.

 

[silkyman]

So. Stephen Crabb seems a bit of a sideways move (rimshot)

But yay. A religious nut on homophobe.

Stephen Crabb: New DWP Secretary criticised for links to 'gay cure' group | UK Politics | News | The Independent - www.independent.co.uk
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...sed-for-links-to-gay-cure-group-a6941281.html

 

[Pliny Harris]

Osborne's failed to turn up to this afternoon's Urgent Question, raised by McDonnell, on changes to the Budget. Mirrors his refusal to join McDonnell on an Andrew Marr Show interview the other week among other things. I think his refusal to legitimise McDonnell by going anywhere near him will do inflict damage on himself.

 

[mowgli]

Osborne's failed to turn up to this afternoon's Urgent Question, raised by McDonnell, on changes to the Budget. Mirrors his refusal to join McDonnell on an Andrew Marr Show interview the other week among other things. I think his refusal to legitimise McDonnell by going anywhere near him will do inflict damage on himself.

Gideon's cowardice has flushed his leadership plans down the pan, he has been left with no credibility at all,he should have been dragged kicking and screaming to the commons to justify his cock ups not forcing an underling who most people have never heard of to face the flack.

 

[.V.]

Isn't the Conservative Party the party of personal responsibility?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

A choice between corporate welfare penny pinchers and a bumbling socialist idealist. We are fucked.

 

[The Fack]

Gideon is gonna inherit number 10 vilified by more and more people. In a way, he's shooting his own prospects of being PM in the foot.

I urge the disabled to cut the brakes of their mobility scooters and make their feelings heard.

 

[Stevencc]

Gideon is gonna inherit number 10 vilified by more and more people. In a way, he's shooting his own prospects of being PM in the foot.

I urge the disabled to cut the brakes of their mobility scooters and make their feelings heard.

Wouldn't they just zoom down a hill at a ridiculous speed and then crash?

 

[Tilbury]

That way they can make it look like an 'accident'.

Really great seeing the Tories implode.

 

[The Fack]

IDS - In Deep Shit

 

[Dave-Vale]

The Tories are falling apart becausse Corbyn has spoken up and the British public have finally latched on to their self/friend serving politics.

Between the tax credits debacle a few months back, the disaster over junior doctors contracts and this latest attempt to cut disability benefits (whilst giving millionaires MORE tax breaks) they've lost a lot of votes and credibility!

Corbyn needs to up his game now. Him and McDonnell are a good team. They both tore into Osborne yesterday for not turning up to discuss the disastrous budget he has put forward (probably getting high on cocaine and shagging prostitutes).

Anybody that said Corbyn is 'unelectable' was very wrong. He's gaining a lot of support.

 

[mowgli]

The Tories are falling apart becausse Corbyn has spoken up and the British public have finally latched on to their self/friend serving politics.

Between the tax credits debacle a few months back, the disaster over junior doctors contracts and this latest attempt to cut disability benefits (whilst giving millionaires MORE tax breaks) they've lost a lot of votes and credibility!

Corbyn needs to up his game now. Him and McDonnell are a good team. They both tore into Osborne yesterday for not turning up to discuss the disastrous budget he has put forward (probably getting high on cocaine and shagging prostitutes).

Anybody that said Corbyn is 'unelectable' was very wrong. He's gaining a lot of support.

Corbyn would have done better yesterday by asking pig poker Cameron what he didn't agree with Duncan-Smith's reasons for leaving, now Corbyn did okay but should have rammed home the damage that the psycho IDS has done to Gideon and Cameron to destroy their capabilities to be PM and Chancellor.

 

[SUTSS]

The Tories were always going to fall apart before the referendum. Don't think you can give Corbyn the sole credit for it.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The next election is well in the distance. A bit of pre-referendum kerfuffle is basically meaningless. He'll become electable when he gets real on the nuclear deterrent, the military, immigration etc.

 

[Aber gas]

It's a bit more than a minor pre- referendum scuffle. The whole policy of austerity has been shown up as not only morally reprehensible but also fiscally unworkable. The sums don't add up which is a bit of a shitter when you promote yourself as the party of fiscal responsibility.
Corbyn is taking the opportunity and holding the government to account which is what he is supposed to be doing.
There was a popular opinion that the internal strife that dogged Corbyn at the start of his leadership would impact on Labour's performance in the next election. Do the same rules not apply to the Conservative party?