The General England Euro 2016 Thread

[Who Needs Mourinho]

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England team named for tomorrow -

Butland

Clyne
Smalling
Cahil
Rose

Henderson
Dier

Lallana
Ali
Welbeck

Kane.

That team could easily be turned into a more attacking looking 442 diamond but it won't be because Hodgson is safe and boring.

 

[Anon]

That team could easily be turned into a more attacking looking 442 diamond but it won't be because Hodgson is safe and boring.

How is that formation automatically safe and boring? It's how many of the teams play domestically including Spurs and seems the most logical way to get the most out the attacking spine, especially as there's no Rooney to wedge in. No regular formation is automatically exciting or boring.

Switching that eleven into a diamond would mean taking Alli out of the position in which he's excelled, Lallana more central when he's hardly the creative fulcrum 10, and putting Wellbeck up top which would be different to how Kane plays for Spurs.

 

[The Fack]

Henderson and Welbeck hasn't done enough to warrant a place in that team, in Welbeck's case, the squad (and I'm a big fan of Welbeck). Other than that, good XI.

 

[Leewilson]

Henderson and Welbeck hasn't done enough to warrant a place in that team, in Welbeck's case, the squad (and I'm a big fan of Welbeck). Other than that, good XI.

I think Welbeck's played very well since coming back from injury. Certainly better than other wide options we have.

 

[smat]

Welbeck should be in there, he's more in-form than Vardy. It's Walcott who should be nowhere near the squad.

 

[The Fack]

I think Welbeck's played very well since coming back from injury. Certainly better than other wide options we have.

Granted, but he's been back five minutes. I just think that people in form like Aaron Lennon at least deserves a call-up.

 

[Anon]

Lennon has never done much for England, and isn't near the best spells he had at Spurs which were at best fleeting. The most in-form English winger at the moment is Michail Antonio.

Wellback should be there, the squad can't be picked on 2015-16 form alone, has done well for England before and can play wide or up top, and he's played well since coming back from injury. Lallana is the glaringly obvious squad choice let alone first eleven.

 

[smat]

The most in-form English winger at the moment is Michail Antonio.

Good point. Would have been a good time for Hodge to give him a game.

Agree with the Lennon point as well. He's never done it for England.

 

[Carver]

Same old England, picking names ahead of performances, no wonder we never get anywhere.

Henderson, Lallana and the fact we're playing two holding midfielders just shows how boring and ineffective going forward we will be.

Oh and surprise surprise the two Leicester players are not starting.

What has Adam Lallana ever actually done to deserve getting picked for England? Whenever I've seen him he's either non existent in a match or missing a penalty in a shootout.

 

[Leewilson]

Same old England, picking names ahead of performances, no wonder we never get anywhere.

Henderson, Lallana and the fact we're playing two holding midfielders just shows how boring and ineffective going forward we will be.

Oh and surprise surprise the two Leicester players are not starting.

What has Adam Lallana ever actually done to deserve getting picked for England? Whenever I've seen him he's either non existent in a match or missing a penalty in a shootout.

Lallana has actually been very good so far in 2016. Before that, I would agree that he had been very underwhelming in a Liverpool shirt and certainly wouldn't deserve to be playing for England.

But with his form having picked up massively and a fair few wider midfield options missing, I don't see any harm with this.

He's one of these names though at the moment who will get stick no matter how he is playing.

 

[Gashead]

I agree Antonio for Welbeck, but to be honest I was expecting a far worse starting XI than the one Woy has provided.

 

[Carver]

Lallana has actually been very good so far in 2016. Before that, I would agree that he had been very underwhelming in a Liverpool shirt and certainly wouldn't deserve to be playing for England.

But with his form having picked up massively and a fair few wider midfield options missing, I don't see any harm with this.

He's one of these names though at the moment who will get stick no matter how he is playing.

As long as he doesn't ever get picked to take a penalty then maybe he won't be a mistake.

 

[JimJams]

Welbeck should be in there, he's more in-form than Vardy.

In form as in scoring goals or as in playing well, because Vardy is playing as well as he has all season. His 5 game goal drought has still garnered 3 assists in 3 1-0 wins, so he's still making a telling contribution.

I think Hodgson is going to handle Vardy all wrong anyway with his thinking probably being along the same lines as Mersons, that he'd be great to bring on with 30 minutes left to work on tired defences. If it's a stalemate, then that might work fine, but if it's when we're a goal down and the defence is sitting deep he's not going to get much chance to get in behind defences and use his pace which is the most effective part of his game.
I don't think Hodgson will use either Leicester player because he's not going to play a style of football where they excel. I've said before that he's trying to get us to play the wrong way for the big stage, and much as I'd like to be worng, I can't see it. Possession football is not our strength and while it's great pissing all over minnows, when we come up against top sides we'll get fucked over.

 

[Carver]

In form as in scoring goals or as in playing well, because Vardy is playing as well as he has all season. His 5 game goal drought has still garnered 3 assists in 3 1-0 wins, so he's still making a telling contribution.

I think Hodgson is going to handle Vardy all wrong anyway with his thinking probably being along the same lines as Mersons, that he'd be great to bring on with 30 minutes left to work on tired defences. If it's a stalemate, then that might work fine, but if it's when we're a goal down and the defence is sitting deep he's not going to get much chance to get in behind defences and use his pace which is the most effective part of his game.
I don't think Hodgson will use either Leicester player because he's not going to play a style of football where they excel. I've said before that he's trying to get us to play the wrong way for the big stage, and much as I'd like to be worng, I can't see it. Possession football is not our strength and while it's great pissing all over minnows, when we come up against top sides we'll get fucked over.

We always get fucked over by the top sides, last time we beat a top side competitively was Argentina in the 2002 WC, yes that's how long ago it was. England just don't have what it takes and never will do ever again.

Doesn't matter how we play, we will always fail whether it be quality or mentally.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

How is that formation automatically safe and boring? It's how many of the teams play domestically including Spurs and seems the most logical way to get the most out the attacking spine, especially as there's no Rooney to wedge in. No regular formation is automatically exciting or boring.

Switching that eleven into a diamond would mean taking Alli out of the position in which he's excelled, Lallana more central when he's hardly the creative fulcrum 10, and putting Wellbeck up top which would be different to how Kane plays for Spurs.

I think the last 20 minutes with the diamond and a team very close to the one I posted earlier in the thread proved my point at how we could step it up as an attacking force.

 

[johnnytodd]

Were gona win the cup surely ?
LOL

 

[Leewilson]

Against Germany, I'd have a look at:

------------------Butland

Walker, Smalling, Cahill, Bertrand

-----------Dier-----Henderson------

Lallana---------Alli--------Welbeck

------------------Kane-----------------

Always thought I had the credentials to be England manager.

 

[silkyman]

Only a friendly but a top notch performance.

 

[Super_horns]

Very good performance from England even when going 2 down.

Just shows what can be done with players in form who have a bit of confidence..

 

[silkyman]

It's almost like picking players on form who have the hunger to stay there might be better than picking the same players constantly regardless, so they can get nice and complacent.

 

[Anon]

I think the last 20 minutes with the diamond and a team very close to the one I posted earlier in the thread proved my point at how we could step it up as an attacking force.

Clearly it worked, but I didn't say the diamond wasn't attacking, I said the 4231 isn't automatically defensive, which most formations aren't.

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Clearly it worked, but I didn't say the diamond wasn't attacking, I said the 4231 isn't automatically defensive, which most formations aren't.

No I do get where you are coming from but lets just say the formation we started with is safer than the one we finished with.

We have such quality and strength in depth upfront and in the central attacking midfield.

If we go with the diamond we can fit Barkley, Alli, Kane and Vardy all into one team, with a water carrier like Henderson or Drinkwater covering every inch of grass and Dier holding - it's a very exciting prospect.

 

[Laker]

Maybe Henderson does something I don't see but my god did he give the ball away a lot tonight.

 

[GodsGift]

Maybe Henderson does something I don't see but my god did he give the ball away a lot tonight.

He presses very well, which is what we're all about.

 

[Anon]

No I do get where you are coming from but lets just say the formation we started with is safer than the one we finished with.

We have such quality and strength in depth upfront and in the central attacking midfield.

If we go with the diamond we can fit Barkley, Alli, Kane and Vardy all into one team, with a water carrier like Henderson or Drinkwater covering every inch of grass and Dier holding - it's a very exciting prospect.

Tonight, yeah obviously it worked. Not sure it'll be the same against another team, a team who plays it out wide, another type of setup etc, but clearly it proved to make the difference. One big positive to take away for sure.

I'm not a fan of Barkley really, wouldn't have him as part of mid 2, and isn't good enough to be wedged in out of position either, nor would I drop Alli back to accommodate Barkley further ahead. Of the fit options would rather have a complimentary combination of Wilshere (if ever fit) Carrick, Henderson or Drinkwater in there.

Big question is Rooney. Most love to criticise his selection but for the first time in many years does he now have a legitimate fight for his place, either upfront or just behind.

 

[Stocky]

Rooney should be nowhere near the side. Kane and Vardy up front in a diamond. As for Henderson, he's an energitic player which we need in there to help break things up and put pressure on opponents midfield but it'd be interesting to see how Drinkwater would do in there instead. In better form and is decent on the ball.

Hart
Clyne Cahill Smalling Rose/Shaw
Dier
Alli Henderson/Drinkwater
Barkley
Kane Vardy

I'm looking to that for the euros. Youthful, enthusiastic. Lets have a go. Contrary to media belief, England fans won't piss and moan if we don't win it, we just want to sit round having a barbie in the summer and watch us take the game to overrated nations who's squads aren't as good as we big them up to be.

 

[The Fack]

The centre-halves remain a problem. Cahill and Smalling are too alike, slow, not very vocal and neither can even pass wind. John Stones is the first pick in that back four.

 

[SF_]

Did I actually just see someone mention Luke Shaw as a potential starter at the Euros?

Rose was great last night and Bertrand has performed well in recent games. Has Shaw even played a game in 2016?

 

[SF_]

He presses very well, which is what we're all about.

Agreed. Cannot fault his engine and he's intelligent in terms of his positioning, with more composure he could have bagged two last night.

I'd keep him in.

 

[PaulHaddock]

Despite the fact Rose is now first choice, if Shaw wasn't injured, he'd be straight in their for me. I can see why Cahill was in ahead of Stones due to Stones loss of form but again, he's the future and should be playing.

Agree with the forward and midfield selections though.
Dier
Alli Drinkwater
Barkley
Kane Vardy