The General England Euro 2016 Thread

[silkyman]

How can Delph and Wilshere go over Noble?

Previous international experience is all I can think of.

Albeit not all that much of it..

 

[SamScfc]

Baffles me that people think Wilshere shouldn't be in the squad, he's our best player.

The fact that Delph is in is a joke, Roy is being loyal for the sake of it.

 

[SamScfc]

Previous international experience is all I can think of.

Albeit not all that much of it..

Or the fact that Wilshere is 10 times better than both maybe.

 

[JJH]

Marcus Rashford, hurrah.

One of the most sensible things Roy has ever done, absolutely nothing to lose with taking the lad even if it's just for experience. Start him in one of the Friendlies and see how he does. If he comes off the bench and scores in the Euros (if he makes the 23) Roy will get all the plaudits. I'm well happy with that.

 

[silkyman]

Apparently only four players started more games in the qualifyers than Delph. Loyalty to the squad who got England there. Not saying it's the right call. Just looking for the reasons or logic. Personally, I'd prefer him making sure his hamstring is fixed sat at home.

 

[Ciderhead]

Surprised to see Delph there. Not, however, surprised to see Rashford. Really think it should have been Defoe. He's scored as many this season as Rooney and would have added some old-head experience in the 'probably won't play but there just in case' role. Very young squad.

I think it's too early for Rashford but I'd take him over Defoe. We've been there and done that as far as he's concerned and he's never really proved himself up to international level, that's not going to change now.

And as for experience, Rooney will provide that. Would Defoe even carry that much weight? He's never really been an established international he's always been on the fringes. How many major tournaments has he actually played in?

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

I agree that Wilshere is one of our best players. He's the most creative in the middle and should be on the plane if he's fit.

I think we only need 4 strikers considering only one will be played as an out an out striker. I can't see Rashford being on the plane.

 

[Ciderhead]

Marcus Rashford, hurrah.

One of the most sensible things Roy has ever done, absolutely nothing to lose with taking the lad even if it's just for experience. Start him in one of the Friendlies and see how he does. If he comes off the bench and scores in the Euros (if he makes the 23) Roy will get all the plaudits. I'm well happy with that.

I'm not sure there's nothing to lose. Don't think he's ready yet, he's only been playing first team football for a few months, and there's a danger of repeating previous mistakes in giving too much too soon. Leave him with something to strive for.

 

[JJH]

I'm not sure there's nothing to lose. Don't think he's ready yet, he's only been playing first team football for a few months, and there's a danger of repeating previous mistakes in giving too much too soon. Leave him with something to strive for.

There's no expectation from where I'm sitting, go out there and give it a go, breed some fresh blood into the side and give the youngsters like Rashford a taste for it. Roy has gained a lot of respect from me today after naming that squad, I'm happy with that.

 

[JimJams]

I'm guessing Rashford, Walker and Drinkwater/Townsend will be the ones culled when the squad is reduced from 26 to 23.

It would be ridiculous if Drinkwater didn't make the final squad.

 

[silkyman]

There are plenty of young players who made a breakthrough this season. Why isn't Loftus-Cheek being touted for the 'Walcott in 2006' spot...

 

[silkyman]

It would be ridiculous if Drinkwater didn't make the final squad.

Hopefully it'll be based on who performs in the team over the last friendlies and how the chemistry is in the squad in training.

 

[Harrier94]

Baffles me that people think Wilshere shouldn't be in the squad, he's our best player.

The fact that Delph is in is a joke, Roy is being loyal for the sake of it.

3 games played all season. He might be our best player but he's clearly not fit and will probably be injured at the tournament.

 

[Murphy]

I'm not that surprised to see Rashford in there, and although he'll almost certainly be omitted from the 23 man squad, it does make sense on a number of levels. He's a fearless, young player in good form who's fresh and offers a serious and decent alternative anywhere across the front three that Hodgson likes playing. He's the closest you'll get to Danny Welbeck (who's injury really put a spanner in the works), and it makes more sense to take someone who can fit in across the front 3 over a Defoe or Carroll, who whilst they have had good seasons, can only really play the central role that can already be occupied by any 4 of our main strikers in the squad.

One thing I have to say with Townsend's inclusion, mind, is that I think Michail Antonio can consider himself quite unlikely to not even have been in the conversation to make it into the squad. He's not a start name, but he's had a terrific season for West Ham and again would have slotted in nicely on either side of the central striker if required - not that I think he'll take Townsend in the 23-man squad anyway. Surprised that Phil Jones missed out as well. Not had a particularly good season, but a versatile player who can cover a number of positions which is handy when you have a small squad.

 

[SamScfc]

3 games played all season. He might be our best player but he's clearly not fit and will probably be injured at the tournament.

Do England fans only have a memory that doesn't go any further than this season? He started the last game of the season and by the time the euros come he'll be 100%, yeah he might get injured but so might anyone else, and as our best player he's worth the risk.

 

[SamScfc]

I'm not that surprised to see Rashford in there, and although he'll almost certainly be omitted from the 23 man squad, it does make sense on a number of levels. He's a fearless, young player in good form who's fresh and offers a serious and decent alternative anywhere across the front three that Hodgson likes playing. He's the closest you'll get to Danny Welbeck (who's injury really put a spanner in the works), and it makes more sense to take someone who can fit in across the front 3 over a Defoe or Carroll, who whilst they have had good seasons, can only really play the central role that can already be occupied by any 4 of our main strikers in the squad.

One thing I have to say with Townsend's inclusion, mind, is that I think Michail Antonio can consider himself quite unlikely to not even have been in the conversation to make it into the squad. He's not a start name, but he's had a terrific season for West Ham and again would have slotted in nicely on either side of the central striker if required - not that I think he'll take Townsend in the 23-man squad anyway. Surprised that Phil Jones missed out as well. Not had a particularly good season, but a versatile player who can cover a number of positions which is handy when you have a small squad.

Agree with the first part about Rashford, it'll be a great experience for him but it's way too early for him to go, but I don't think he's like Welbeck in terms of playing out wide, his strength is his finishing, he's a natural striker so I don't think he's the type of player to beat a full back or come from out wide.


Agree that Antonio should be in, he's a threat from set plays and is a different type of winger, but I do rate Townsend so I'd like to see them both there.

Wouldn't take Phil Jones, he wouldn't be fit and he isn't versatile, he can't play RB, we don't need him as a DM and he's not convincing at CB.

 

[Ciderhead]

There's no expectation from where I'm sitting, go out there and give it a go, breed some fresh blood into the side and give the youngsters like Rashford a taste for it. Roy has gained a lot of respect from me today after naming that squad, I'm happy with that.

I could maybe understand if we had limited options, but we don't. We've got 4 good strikers, none of whom Rashford's going to get in ahead of.

Give him a taste of it in the warm-ups, leave him wanting more

 

[Mustard]

Something like 6 MOTM awards for Wilshere in his past 7 England games. For a player with that kind of record, you risk taking him even if he is only just back from injury. He'll have a couple of warm-up games before the tournament and he played yesterday and looked fine, if he's clearly short of fitness come the tournament, he'll be trimmed. But he's a step above any of our other midfielders and I'm 99% sure if people didn't find him so intensely dislikable his inclusion wouldn't even be up for debate.

Don't mind Rashford being picked in the 26, realistically he'll be cut and it will good experience for him. Even if Defoe/Carroll were picked, they wouldn't get a game ahead of Kane/Vardy/Rooney/Sturridge.

 

[Carver]

Has Fabian Delph even played at all for Man City this season?

I can see why he's picked Wilshire because he is a top player, but Delph?

 

[Gilly?]

There's a few I'd omit and change around but the spine of the squad is there. I'm not a fan of Townsend, there's only so much running, cutting in and spaffing a shot down the keepers throat I can take before I get sick of him. I'd also drop Rashford for Defoe and argue a case that Creswell, Antonio, Noble, Albrighton should have been considered at the expense of a few.

I'd like to see a diamond in midfield with Vardy and Kane up top, could swap and change Lallana where Rooney is.

--------------------Hart
Clyne---Smalling---Cahill---Rose
-------------------Dier
----Rooney----------------Alli
------------------Lallana
-------------Vardy----Kane

I think we'll most likely see this though...

----------------------Hart
Clyne----Smalling---Cahill---Rose
---------------------Dier
-------------Wilshere---Alli
Sterling-----------Kane--------Rooney

 

[Art Morte]

The three I'd drop are:
Rashford - self-explanatory, not needed.
Wilshere - Hasn't been playing, fitness and form too big question marks.
Barkley - He's been shite in 2016 and isn't needed when Alli, Lallana and Rooney all do a better job in his role.

 

[Carver]

The three I'd drop are:
Rashford - self-explanatory, not needed.
Wilshere - Hasn't been playing, fitness and form too big question marks.
Barkley - He's been shite in 2016 and isn't needed when Alli, Lallana and Rooney all do a better job in his role.

What about Delph? What has he done this season to deserve a call up? Or as a matter of fact, what has he ever done?

 

[Krazy8]

Townsend, Delph and Rashford the three I guess will be dropped. If he wants Townsend for an extra winger then Drinkwater/Barkley maybe?

Agree Barkley's gone off the boil but he won't be starting and there's not really anyone better. Unless you go for a 5th striker but don't think that's really necessary.

Would definitely have had Antonio in above a couple of them though, in great form and would suit the formations Roy likes to play.

 

[TomPNE94]

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

 

[Pagnell]

No way should Wilshere be starting over Lallana. With less than a handful of games this season I'm frankly fucking amazed he's been named at all.

 

[Krazy8]

No way should Wilshere be starting over Lallana. With less than a handful of games this season I'm frankly fucking amazed he's been named at all.

In cheese's team Sturridge, Vardy, Kane, Lallana and Alli might just be a tad too attacking don't you think?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

No way should Wilshere be starting over Lallana. With less than a handful of games this season I'm frankly fucking amazed he's been named at all.

What on Earth would Wilshere's inclusion have to do with Lallana's?

 

[Art Morte]

What about Delph? What has he done this season to deserve a call up? Or as a matter of fact, what has he ever done?

Apart from being fit, nothing. If Delph was replaced with someone else, everyone would be OK with it. But Wilshere hasn't been playing for a long time, it's too much of a risk to take such a player when every game is massively important. Wilshere shouldn't be in the team.

Townsend, Delph and Rashford the three I guess will be dropped. If he wants Townsend for an extra winger then Drinkwater/Barkley maybe?

Agree Barkley's gone off the boil but he won't be starting and there's not really anyone better. Unless you go for a 5th striker but don't think that's really necessary.

Would definitely have had Antonio in above a couple of them though, in great form and would suit the formations Roy likes to play.

Townsend's not an extra winger, more like the only winger. That's why I'd keep him in the team. Milner and Lallana are all about pass & move, Townsend can take on defenders. And Sterling's just shit, should be nowhere near the XI.

 

[George Reilly's Hairpiece]

Not surprised by the squad, and certainly not surprised that Noble didn't make it. If he didn't merit a call up before now then he wasn't going to get one for the tournament squad. All managers have players they don't fancy and if Roy is prepared to given Mason a cap before Noble, then he clearly doesn't fancy Noble.