The Hylton Derby (Wycombe vs Luton).

[mowgli]

Brown saves Hylton's penalty!

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Blatant penalty on Hylton for once but it was a terrible take from him. Looks like we are having having another one of those days, problem is every other game is one of those for us!

 

[BelizeHatter]

Looked blatant but there were a lot of defenders complaining it was a dive. Replay will be interesting but in real time looked a pen. Was concerned Hylton was taking it but he won it and it could have been a real boost to his confidence but lets hope the flip side of the coin in missing poorly doesnt hurt him

 

[BelizeHatter]

 

[BelizeHatter]

Not sure deserved. Can we win it...............or lose it haha

 

[BelizeHatter]

Oh wow.

 

[mowgli]

FFS 8th minute of added time when only 7 were supposed to be played.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Bit of an injustice on Wycombe as we were dreadful IMO but I'll take it. Have to play better than that though.

 

[BelizeHatter]

The beast losing the plot runs on pitch from sub bench 70 yards at final whistle and gets in Hyltons face. Wondering if its the penalty decision but it was missed so why?

Great grit and determination better second ha;f from us but hard not to be. Wyconme hard done by but went off the boil under our late pressure. Could that be the spark. From 13th and five minutes later in fourth.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

The beast losing the plot runs on pitch from sub bench 70 yards at final whistle and gets in Hyltons face. Wondering if its the penalty decision but it was missed so why?

Great grit and determination better second ha;f from us but hard not to be. Wyconme hard done by but went off the boil under our late pressure. Could that be the spark. From 13th and five minutes later in fourth.

It's because someone else was the centre of attention for once

 

[mowgli]

Bit of an injustice on Wycombe as we were dreadful IMO but I'll take it. Have to play better than that though.

Ainsworth's substitutions to blame,when The Beast was subbed he should have brought on Umerah who is the same type of player not Tyson.

 

[BelizeHatter]

Goalkeeper looked a horrible mistake for winner

 

[Judge Dredd]

We were shit for the vast majority of that but what the hell, I'll take it!

Not sure what Akinfenwa's problem was at full time.

Hope Jones doesn't take those goals as an excuse to paper over the huge cracks in the way we are playing/functioning at the moment though. The system/style/personnel is not working and that is more blatant every game. To be fair he sounds far from happy in his post-match interview so far.

Cornick got to be pushing for a start at this point, but only if we ditch the diamond.

 

[SkyBluesRose]

What happened to Wycombe? They were leading for the entire game and then seemed to utterly collapse in injury time.

 

[BelizeHatter]

To be fair to Jones his post match interview he is saying its not good enough and he needs to look at the shape, system and starting personnel.

 

[Bosox]

From 14th in the table at 89 minutes to 4th at full time, nice one.

Danny Hylton needs to be taken off pens sharpish, Berry and Collins are both excellent penalty takers.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

We were shit for the vast majority of that but what the hell, I'll take it!

Not sure what Akinfenwa's problem was at full time.

Hope Jones doesn't take those goals as an excuse to paper over the huge cracks in the way we are playing/functioning at the moment though. The system/style/personnel is not working and that is more blatant every game. To be fair he sounds far from happy in his post-match interview so far.

Cornick got to be pushing for a start at this point, but only if we ditch the diamond.

Yep, Cornick changed, very positive and looks to take people on and run with it which was much needed. Seess to be also be the only forward player with any pace too. Surely has to be starting soon.

 

[Judge Dredd]

From 14th in the table at 89 minutes to 4th at full time, nice one.

Danny Hylton needs to be taken off pens sharpish, Berry and Collins are both excellent penalty takers.

Berry is a terrible pen taker, got like a 50% conversion rate for Cambs!

Collins should be on them without doubt. Rifles them home with no messing, Hylton tries to be too clever way too often.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Yep, Cornick changed, very positive and looks to take people on and run with it which was much needed. Seess to be also be the only forward player with any pace too. Surely has to be starting soon.

I think it's also a case of the system change that accompanied his sub helping us. Gave us options wide, which helped Stacey get forward in support (shocking I know).

Got a couple of decent crosses in and scored a couple of goals, who woulda thunk it... and Collins thriving on balls into the box, no-one could have predicted that!!!

Hopefully Jones talking about looking at the system isn't just a soundbite. I'd love to see us go with a 4-3-3 from the start at the weekend, means Hylton is out of position a bit but he's bang out of form anyway and done nothing up top so far this season. Drop Shinnie, give Berry proper license to play as the most advanced midfielder. Get Cornick and Stacey doubling up down the right hand side getting crosses in whenever possible, with Collins never drifting wider than the goalposts, Berry getting in the box whenever the ball is wide and Hylton arriving late from out on the left. Can't hurt to try it anyway...

 

[Bosox]

Berry is a terrible pen taker, got like a 50% conversion rate for Cambs!

Ok, didn't know the stats. Was going on the videos of his goals for Cambridge where a bunch of his goals were penalties. I'm surprised he missed a load because when he scored them they were very well taken! Even when Hylton (or McGeehan last season) score them they tend to be scruffy/lucky.

 

[mowgli]

What happened to Wycombe? They were leading for the entire game and then seemed to utterly collapse in injury time.

Gareth Ainsworth's lack of tactical nous on closing down a game is being blamed by the majority of Wycombe fans so far,can't argue with that he was naive with his substitutions today.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Yeah I never felt confident with Hylton or indeed McGeehan, they rarely hit the corners and Hylton almost never strikes it with any pace, relies entirely on sending the keeper the wrong way.

Where was Jordan Cook when you need him

 

[Vanni]

Berry is certainly not a decent penalty taker, in fact I was often tempted to look away when he was stepping up to take one. He used to put it to the keeper's right, and tbh he was very lucky on several occasions. Then after a while, naturally, all the keepers knew which way he was going and he started missing loads, so he then attempted to go to the keeper's left but iirc he failed more than once too.

Overall, I'd say the Judge is correct with his circa 50% conversion rate figure, and I'd say it would've have been even lower had goalies sussed him out sooner. What he's good at though is taking free kicks.

But I don't agree with Judge Dredd when saying Hylton, and I quote, ''relies entirely on sending the keeper the wrong way'', as I reckon that is one of the safest ways to convert a penalty. Much better than just smashing it and hope you get lucky for instance.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Obviously sending the keeper the wrong way is great. But you should be looking to get the ball far enough in to the corner and with enough pace that you have a good chance of scoring even if the keeper guesses correctly. Hylton invariably hits his pens with no pace and just to the side of the centre of the goal, so if he doesn't successfully fake the keeper out (which is a bit of a lottery) it's an easy save. Not the first time it's happened today, he just never comes across as a convincing penalty taker to me.

Best penalty taker we've had in my time was Kevin Nicholls, and he never even looked at the keeper (or the goal for that matter). He'd face his own goal until the ref blew the whistle and only turn as he began his run up, eyes on the ball the whole time. He had clearly made his mind up and never worried which way the keeper was going. Always went low and hard and right in to the corners. Only missed one that I can recall which was a sensational save. Keepers guessed right loads of times but just couldn't stop them. God I miss him

 

[BelizeHatter]

You obv weren't around when David Moss was the pen king

 

[Judge Dredd]

Unfortunately not, first game was Grimsby away the week before the FA Cup Semi Final in 94 (think we lost 2-0) so Moss was way before my time.

 

[BelizeHatter]

Yea I'm an old fart - not quite as cranky as my buddy Oaky yet - but those were the days. I cant remember my first game I''m so old but it was in the late 70"s and instantly converted me. Seen some great teams and the purple patch from Pleaty onwards was one to behold and savor. Man that Chelsea semi was one of our worst.

 

[Kenneth E End]

WHAT A VICTORY.

What an ugly victory.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

We were shit for the vast majority of that but what the hell, I'll take it!

Not sure what Akinfenwa's problem was at full time.

Hope Jones doesn't take those goals as an excuse to paper over the huge cracks in the way we are playing/functioning at the moment though. The system/style/personnel is not working and that is more blatant every game. To be fair he sounds far from happy in his post-match interview so far.

Cornick got to be pushing for a start at this point, but only if we ditch the diamond.

If he doesn't learn from that then I really think there is no hope for him to be honest. We were crying out for width all game, as soon as we got it we looked dangerous again. He needs to change his approach to get the best of the front 2.

Listened to Ainsworth on the way back and he mentioned that they matched our diamond today. Is that not incredibley concerning to anyone that a team matched us up and played the formation we have been slaving away trying to perfect for well over a year and were immediately better than us? Embarrassing for Jones really IMO. I'll be happy if we never play it again to be honest.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Best penalty taker we've had in my time was Kevin Nicholls, and he never even looked at the keeper (or the goal for that matter). He'd face his own goal until the ref blew the whistle and only turn as he began his run up, eyes on the ball the whole time. He had clearly made his mind up and never worried which way the keeper was going. Always went low and hard and right in to the corners. Only missed one that I can recall which was a sensational save. Keepers guessed right loads of times but just couldn't stop them. God I miss him

I remember his penalty v Scott Carson vividly. He slammed that into the bottom right corner; pretty much what Hylton tried to do today.