The Labour Thread

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

And they're relevant in the sense that if there's more like YouGov, one senses the Tories will have their very own night of the long knives.

 

[smat]

And they're relevant in the sense that if there's more like YouGov, one senses the Tories will have their very own night of the long knives.

Hmm maybe, but also they probably won't give a shit because they're presumably quite happy for Theresa May to take the flak. If it looks like another election will have to be called, they'll get rid of May and they might get a honeymoon boost.

 

[Jockney]

Labour have a history of leading strongly in the polls before unexpected collapse. Where the hard (though not Bennite) left Labour opposition was very strong in 1980, leading by about 15 points at one stage, the SDP split and Falklands did for them by '83. We're not in any danger entering into a war that would unite the country, but internal disputes are probably the biggest obstacle to electoral success in the mid-term; Brexit more obviously, but perhaps harder to put into an established frame are the struggles for and against the democratisation of the party, especially regarding the NEC and deselection. This war on two fronts, electoral and internal-democratic, can't be compromised on, but the calls for unity -on both sides- are essentially a smokescreen. Both the Labour Right and the Blarites, as well as the incumbent New Left democrats, or Bennites, or whatever you want to call them, know there is no possible way to co-exist without converting, so IMO there will be a rupture if 'there isn't another GE within the year.

 

[HertsWolf]

Labour have a history of leading strongly in the polls before unexpected collapse. Where the hard (though not Bennite) left Labour opposition was very strong in 1980, leading by about 15 points at one stage, the SDP split and Falklands did for them by '83. We're not in any danger entering into a war that would unite the country, but internal disputes are probably the biggest obstacle to electoral success in the mid-term; Brexit more obviously, but perhaps harder to put into an established frame are the struggles for and against the democratisation of the party, especially regarding the NEC and deselection. This war on two fronts, electoral and internal-democratic, can't be compromised on, but the calls for unity -on both sides- are essentially a smokescreen. Both the Labour Right and the Blarites, as well as the incumbent New Left democrats, or Bennites, or whatever you want to call them, know there is no possible way to co-exist without converting, so IMO there will be a rupture if 'there isn't another GE within the year.

Agree. I think Brexit will be a win for Labour (and to a lesser degree the Lib Dems and SNP) no matter what, simply because the complexities of trade realignment is highly likely to be yugely screwed up. Even ministers admit that they are negotiating with their hands tied behind their backs. Certain industries....aerospace, precision, specialist engineering and manufacturing; insurance..is likely to suffer seriously from reversion to WTO schedules and tariff quota lawsuits. Labour and Lib Dems don't really have to do much other than sit back and watch the Tories soundbite themselves into oblivion.
Ironically, I think it best (for Labour and Lib Dems) if there isn't a GE soon.

 

[Abertawe]

Moderates spent 90% of the campaign telling the media their door knocking tactics consisted of telling voters they're voting for them and not Jeremy but... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-local-mp-mandatory-reselection-a7840856.html

 

[Jockney]

Moderates spent 90% of the campaign telling the media their door knocking tactics consisted of telling voters they're voting for them and not Jeremy but... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-local-mp-mandatory-reselection-a7840856.html

BUT... BUT... I HEARD...

 

[smat]

lol why do those people always look defrosted

 

[Aber gas]

lol why do those people always look defrosted

Or like they're on a continuous quest for the blood of virgins.

 

[HertsWolf]

Odd to see comments criticising peoples' looks. Regardless of their behaviour or political views, they cannot help what they look like.

 

[smat]

Odd to see comments criticising peoples' looks. Regardless of their behaviour or political views, they cannot help what they look like.

Triggered much.

 

[HertsWolf]

Triggered much.

Perhaps because when discussions descend into ridiculing people on their looks, most will consider it not really worth joining in. There's been some good stuff on this thread, so it's a pity.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

The Electoral Commission have produced a report into electoral fraud known as "double voting", the suggestion being that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.

The commission are now working with police on how best to investigate the allegations and called for the government to consider ways of cutting the risk of abuse of voting rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ms-of-people-voting-twice-at-general-election

 

[Jockney]

The Electoral Commission have produced a report into electoral fraud known as "double voting", the suggestion being that Labour in particular could have been boosted at the general election by students voting for them twice.

The commission are now working with police on how best to investigate the allegations and called for the government to consider ways of cutting the risk of abuse of voting rules.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ms-of-people-voting-twice-at-general-election

I quite like that the report suggests automatic registration as a possible solution to the problem. Probably best that the Conservatives not make political hay out of this one, then...

 

[Laker]

I think there's a wider issue at stake with students. Personally I think they should be registered where they live out of term rather than where they study. Or the other way round, not this half way house where the inconsistency skews the true vote.

 

[Aber gas]

I reckon the main issue here is there are a lot of incredulous Tories ( and Labour slugs) who are so mystified that a socialist platform could do well that they are flailing around in the hope of finding some other reason than the fact folk like Corbyn and Labour's manifesto.
Some ham faced "serious" journalist will probably start banging on about how it wos the ruskies that dun it soon.
It's pathetic tbqpfh.

 

[Abertawe]

I think there's a wider issue at stake with students. Personally I think they should be registered where they live out of term rather than where they study. Or the other way round, not this half way house where the inconsistency skews the true vote.

You vote for an MP to represent your constituency. Uni students spend the majority of the year at uni. In fact the dates they're not in uni the MP's are in recess anyway.

 

[Laker]

You vote for an MP to represent your constituency. Uni students spend the majority of the year at uni. In fact the dates they're not in uni the MP's are in recess anyway.

How many students remain in the constituency they study in for the duration of a 5 year term of parliament? Very few I'd wager.

Anyway that's missing the point - it should be the same for all whether it be at home or at uni.

 

[Abertawe]

How many students remain in the constituency they study in for the duration of a 5 year term of parliament? Very few I'd wager.

Anyway that's missing the point - it should be the same for all whether it be at home or at uni.

It isn't missing the point. If they're a serious student they'll spend more time in their uni constituency over the course of a 5 year term than they will their 'home' one.

You're literally saying people shouldn't be allowed to vote in the area in which they live their lives

 

[Laker]

It isn't missing the point. If they're a serious student they'll spend more time in their uni constituency over the course of a 5 year term than they will their 'home' one.

You're literally saying people shouldn't be allowed to vote in the area in which they live their lives

Most students do 3 year courses which consist of around 30-35 weeks at uni. Over a 5 year term they'll spend as much time, if not more, living out of their uni constituency than in it. If they do a 4 year course it'll involve a gap year invariably not in their uni constituency either.

And it is missing the point which was that it should be consistent across all students or did you just ignore that for the sake of it?

 

[Aber gas]

It's not even an investigation The sum "evidence" appears to be a few moaning Tories and some tutting about what some moron might or might not have put on their poxy Facebook page.
Fml.

 

[Aber gas]

Also, why is in the Labour appreciation thread. The report doesn't mention Labour and the watchdog certainly makes no link between any alleged wrong doing and the Labour Party.

 

[Abertawe]

Most students do 3 year courses which consist of around 30-35 weeks at uni. Over a 5 year term they'll spend as much time, if not more, living out of their uni constituency than in it. If they do a 4 year course it'll involve a gap year invariably not in their uni constituency either.

And it is missing the point which was that it should be consistent across all students or did you just ignore that for the sake of it?

Nah fam.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Also, why is in the Labour appreciation thread. The report doesn't mention Labour and the watchdog certainly makes no link between any alleged wrong doing and the Labour Party.

Did you read the Guardian link? Them and Indy (along with all the usual right papers obviously) have reported it via the angle of Labour votes.

Thus this thread is about Labour, recently its gains, so it seems relevant. And it's sparked a few posts of discussion. Which was the idea.

 

[Aber gas]

Did you read the Guardian link? Them and Indy (along with all the usual right papers obviously) have reported it via the angle of Labour votes.

Thus this thread is about Labour, recently its gains, so it seems relevant. And it's sparked a few posts of discussion. Which was the idea.

I did read it. I then read the actual report, which was markedly different to how the Grauniad reported it.
Ho hum. Football soon.

 

[merseyboyred]

Did you read the Guardian link? Them and Indy (along with all the usual right papers obviously) have reported it via the angle of Labour votes.

Thus this thread is about Labour, recently its gains, so it seems relevant. And it's sparked a few posts of discussion. Which was the idea.

Of course they have! The tediously continuously incorrect centrist commentariat & right wing press cartel were shown up so badly by their massively incorrect assumptions & embarrassed by their pathetic propaganda for the election that they've got to try to find something to prove that they weren't wrong.

This seems to be the latest way to try to prove that people, particularly the young & non super-rich classes, aren't actually receptive to a mild social democratic agenda proposed by a mainstream party whilst they've been completely sidelined by mainstream thought & policy. The other way they seem to be trying to change people's minds is by blatantly lying about the tuition fees policy, which doesn't wash anymore.

 

[Aber gas]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/888183161208938497
Absolutely filthy numbers.

 

[Red]

It isn't missing the point. If they're a serious student they'll spend more time in their uni constituency over the course of a 5 year term than they will their 'home' one.

You're literally saying people shouldn't be allowed to vote in the area in which they live their lives

I've never noticed we had a happy banana having a wank emoticon.

 

[Aber gas]

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/888172005828243457
Well, there we are.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

More than a couple of similarities between him and Trump. Might end up winning after all.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]