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I've mentioned before on here briefly (in the former footballers thread about MH issues).

Currently having a bit of an episode of major anxiety and depression. Finally went to the doctor and got prescribed Citalopram (which I've been on for 8 weeks). Was referred for CBT and finally called the other day (yes, it took me 8 weeks to work up the courage to call, paced the whole house for 45 minutes before putting the number in). Not sure it's going to help really. I know being anxious about going to the shop or even coming to post on a forum is ridiculous but I can't help it. I can't help overthinking everything all of the time; constantly playing through the worst case scenario in your mind. It is absurd and I know it is but it doesn't stop me thinking this way.

Anybody had any experience of CBT? What happens if that doesn't work? Can I ask my doctor for a referral to a qualified psychotherapist/psychologist?

Looking into this stuff a bit more I've read about various personality disorders and I can see traits that I have in a few of them; borderline personality disorder probably being the main one. Especially when I look back through my late teens to now.

Head is totally trashed.
Hiya Dave,

CBT can be varied in how it's delivered and the quality of who delivers it. I've had three experiences with it: firstly when I was ten, as I was having a lot of issues with mild-moderate obsessive compulsive disorder. I had several one-to-one sessions with a child therapist. Child psychology is undoubtedly understood and treated differently to adult, but on this occasion it transformed my life. I don't even know if it was the CBT itself, but the opportunity to talk about it with someone lifted a weight off my shoulders.

The second time was in 2013 and was basically a referral to an online course - I spent an hour, once a week, for eight weeks, doing online sessions, with goals/work to be done by yourself in the week. I did not find this to be very helpful, mostly because the course was best applicable for people with anxiety and depression, and I didn't have/don't have depression. I wanted to be able to talk out the issue, and this wasn't possible. I learned some good principles, but I should have told my GP at the time it wasn't really helping.

Final time was early 2015. I felt my anxiety rearing up and didn't want to be in a position where I felt I couldn't cope. I had one session face-to-face with someone, which massively overran and was nearly two hours long. Thereafter we had, I think, six 30 minute phone conversations (option was available to do face-to-face meetings, but I wanted to be able to work normally and not take lots of time off during the week, so I did it in my lunchtimes) once a week.

This was very helpful, and helped me turn a corner. My anxiety gradually diminished throughout the course of treatment, and has receded a lot since. I have been mostly without symptoms for over a year. It could come back, but I feel prepared to deal with those feelings if it does. Generally, when it works, rather than getting unhappy, anxious or frustrated when you feel symptoms of anxiety, it can help you react in a healthier and less destructive way.

I can empathise with overthinking and running scenarios through your mind. These are thought patterns - ways you've learned to think and interpret the world, and they can be changed. CBT, regardless of how it is delivered, is designed to help you dig deeper into your thoughts, and break the cycle between thinking unhelpful things and feeling bad. As I said, I found it helpful to talk - I didn't think I would, but that was helpful for me. No one individual technique or magic bullet made me feel better. It was just great talking to someone who has heard it all before, won't give an unhelpful reaction, and to be honest sometimes challenged me when I was being deflective or defeatist.

Do you know how your CBT will be delivered? I understand your skepticism, and it doesn't work for everyone. But if you can, do try to face it with an open mind, as it might work for you. Most important thing, absolutely: be honest. Tell them how bad you feel. Tell them how it affects you. Tell them what you worry about. Tell them if/why you worry CBT won't work for you. They will ask you what you want to get out of the experience, and this can be helpful because often when you're in a shit place, you don't actually think about what 'better' might feel like - you just want the shit to stop. Give the CBT a chance, and really, really put everything you can into it. I don't know what the next step would be if it's not effective for you, but you can certainly cross that bridge if you need to with your GP. Good luck :-)
 

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Speaking from personal experience, I find that sometimes when you're in quite a good place, you'll get the odd anxious day or two seemingly from nowhere. Some good advice I was given is that it's great if you know what triggers your symptoms, but even if you don't, the most important thing is to respond in the right way, and to use whatever helpful techniques you've learned in the past.

Too right, it's just part and parcel of life in general. Funny thing is i'm more relaxed at work than at home at the moment haha :D
 
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That's shit mate. A horrible thing to happen. Thoughts to you and your partner.

Sertraline is usually the first anti depressant they prescribe. It'll take a couple weeks (maybe even a month) before you'll know whether it's working for you or not, from which they'll assess whether to increase dose or change the med entirely. It's good that you know what you're dealing with now though (diagnosis).

Am deeply sorry to hear about your boy.

I'm extremely sorry to hear about your little lad TB. I couldn't even begin to comprehend what torture you've been through.

Citalopram or Sertraline, as has been said above, tend to be the starter Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors that they would start you on. It's not to everyone's liking and it can take several months to find the right one for you.

My experience of it wasn't great, but hopefully it suits you and you don't need to change.

I'm on Trazodone currently which is a SARI, so it all depends on which fits the patient the best. My only advice, if it isn't right for you and they want to change it would be to say no to the Tricyclic drugs as these tend to have shitty side effects. Again though, that's personal experience so it maybe different for you.

If you don't mind me asking, you mentioned 'alcohol or otherwise', what else would you use to cope with a social situation?

I used Heroin for many years, recreational at the start, then as the years passed although I lived a 'normal' life, worked, went out with the lads, the football etc, I couldn't socially function without it.

Really hope things improve for you very soon. If you ever need to talk to anyone in private, then feel free to drop me a PM. That said I think this thread is great, and a much better alternative to that as we're all extremely open, and want to help each other.

My thoughts are with you buddy.

Absolutely mate. Every time that demon appears and you feel like submitting just tell yourself that you're worth the sacrifice and ain't no fucker gonna stop you from enjoying & furthering yourself.

Sounds like a right shitter mate. I can't even pretend to know what it's like to loose a child so that ontop of everything else must be awful.

On the flip side I am glad you're getting the support you need. It willtake time but you will get there.

Plus you saying you'ge going to commit to the plan is huge. Needless to say, this is like peer support here, so please, please fo use this thread and use our support when it's needed.

Also my 8 year old potentially has bi-polar and that is a royal shitter for us to cope with sigh, let alone witb what you've been through.

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Cheers for all the well wishes. I'm 4 days into the care plan so just setting out- few uncomfortable but manageable side effects from meds so far, mainly nausea and insomnia like symptoms. On the flip side, surely a placebo effect at this stage but I've felt fairly calm out and about in the last 48 hours (first 2 days anxiety was much worse than before I started, again, to be expected).

Spirederman Don't mind you asking at all- I used Mcat as a lifestyle for 3 years to self-medicate after the docs turned me away. That led to the likes of cocaine and other cathonines that were legal. On the other side, I've used benzodiazapenes, the likes of Pyrazolam for anxiety which was absolutely fantastic while I took it but left me with crippling anxiety/panic attacks from withdrawals... and then for sleep I've dabbled with the likes of Flubromazepam/Flubromazelam... can't remember which out of the two was like a knockout tranquilizer, 50mg and I'd be out within 10 minutes even if I'd been on stimulants shortly before.
 
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Claude from ArsenalFanTV speaking to Robbie about some of his issues and his experience of depression. Sounds like he's in a bad place just now, he's a brave guy for doing that vid.


Sorry to hear about some of the stuff you guys are having to deal with just now, it puts my own case of ennui into perspective. Hope things pick up for you all even though I know its a hard road, seeing it first hand with several family members (one of which unfortunately succumbed to the effects of severe depression in the end). Keep fighting away.
 

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Had an interesting discussion in work today about MH. It boiled down to my manager, who is always upbeat and positive sharing stories about how her, just being her, has helped people take steps forward in their lifes, and some went from really down and depressed into employment, so positivity and having people around who are upbeat could actually work you know.
 

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I hope the sunny weather is doing good for your heads people.
 

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I hope the sunny weather is doing good for your heads people.

Sadly it doesn't always work that way for people. It works ok for me, but I get a bit weird if i'm out in it for too long.

I'm not doing too badly mental, had a weird weekend with it playing up but it's calmed back down now which is brilliant for me.
 

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It's been covered I'm sure. Its important it doesn't get swept under the carpet. We will all at some stage either go through it ourselves or know somebody who has.

I'm completely off all medication now for 2 years, although I'm left with the scars that show and not the ones that don't years later.

I've been an RMN now 7 months now since qualifying.

Are you coping?

We all "ok" lads?

Personally my 20's were terrible for me, didn't think I'd get through them. I did though.
 
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The thread quoted seems forgotten. Lets bring them together then.

12 Months since the original thread.

Lets talk lads
 
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Couldn't agree more as mental health issues are far too important to be forgotten, perhaps a mod could do a merge?
 

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Today my little boy should be 25 days old.

4 months ago I was weeks away from having a famly- fast forward 120 days and I'm an isolated single man with debilitating personal mental health, £200 miles away from the hometown and friends/family.

Appreciate what you have whilst you have it people. Life waits for noone unbelievable really.
 

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Just make sure you're on your side/front when you hit the sack.

Anything else I offer won't help at the moment. Stay strong.
 

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Today my little boy should be 25 days old.
as Alan said, TB. stay strong mate, suddenly any current site issues pale into insignificance after what you're going through, take care.
 

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Been sectioned since Thursday morning, secure ward and cannot discharge myself.
Only just got access to phone and laptop. I got to take them to tribunal otherwise I'm here for upto 28 days and potentially being considered for a section 3. What a load of fucking absolute bollocks.
 

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Been sectioned since Thursday morning, secure ward and cannot discharge myself.
Only just got access to phone and laptop. I got to take them to tribunal otherwise I'm here for upto 28 days and potentially being considered for a section 3. What a load of fucking absolute bollocks.

Use this time to rest, have an open mind to what the doctors say and use it as an opportunity to talk and if needed sort the correct medication out.

As much of a shit situation this must feel being in there, don't rush to get out unless you feel ready.

Hope you are feeling better soon mate.
 

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Cheers for the messages all, I could be out tomorrow, or at least 'recommended for discharge'... how long the process takes once that happens, who knows. One thing that has been made clear is that I'm gunna have a shitload of conditions to stick to.... can hardly contain my excitement. :crazy:
 

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What's it like in there? Is it fairly comfy or a bit prisony?
 

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Won't be long aye.
 

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Unbelievable.... I've been transferred to Scarborough- hours before I'm meant to be out. Now they are telling me I'll be seeing consultant "within a few days"... can see my being stuck until next week. Don't understand the thought process whatsoever.

With regards to what it's like, it's a completely secure unit, get bedroom and ensuite... bit like a travelodge just no TV. If i didn't have laptop and internet connection I would go INSANE. They've been trying to get me to go to the occupational room to do some fucking colouring in... I ain't retarded.

Prison-esque but I imagine just treated nicer. Slightly patronising but like to think I come across a little differently than some.
 
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Unbelievable.... I've been transferred to Scarborough- hours before I'm meant to be out. Now they are telling me I'll be seeing consultant "within a few days"... can see my being stuck until next week. Don't understand the thought process whatsoever.
Wtf, I thought you were out?! Will character references from 1FF have offer kind of help at all??
 

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Wtf, I thought you were out?! Will character references from 1FF have offer kind of help at all??

Character ref from the Mum saying it's not the right place for me is packing a punch as on Thursday she was in favour of the section before she saw the kind of people here etc. I understand everyone is fighting their own battles and at risk of sounding like I'm sure many people here, I don't feel as though I am on the same level as some here.
 

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Stay strong TB mate. Stay positive no matter what.
 

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Character ref from the Mum saying it's not the right place for me is packing a punch as on Thursday she was in favour of the section before she saw the kind of people here etc. I understand everyone is fighting their own battles and at risk of sounding like I'm sure many people here, I don't feel as though I am on the same level as some here.
Have you the means to enquire with a solicitor to see if they can get the ball rolling in terms of release?
 

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