the Migrant Crisis

[smat]

rad fem

 

[Renegade]

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

I can only assume that she hasn't read some of the accounts. Some really harrowing stuff. We're not just talking about some arses being grabbed or catcalls here. And the "two women murdered a week" comment was an odd one, given that all it really does it demonstrate that women are at less risk than men are.

White men in particular, right? We get nothing anymore, liberal bastards.

 

[Benito]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tel-stayed-celebrate-Eid-jailed-30-years.html


Another day another tale of how we have been enriched by multiculturalism.

 

[Womble98]

I don't think looking at individual cases generally helps. This isn't about individual cases. There are individual cases of crime and rape and assault from every single ethnic group, from every nation under the sun. Looking at the bigger picture however is what should be done

 

[silkyman]

We should ban all Welsh footballers, too.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

White men in particular, right? We get nothing anymore, liberal bastards.

Facts are facts. What seems to be your boggle?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

No thanks. I don't want to team up with people keen to destroy my country.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JLRFB/status/692085738314276864

As expected two sets of useful idiots turned up and got the day out they were hoping for. Lots of violence, not much politics, with complete disregard for the people of Dover. The "anti-racists" ironically spearheaded by the wobbling racist mass of horror that is Diane Abbot.

 

[Techno Natch]

Compared to the twats running about in Nazi uniforms with NF flags attacking just about anyone they could. Sorry but it's deplorable that people are still doing that this day and age. Id rather they were challenged than people sitting on their hands pretending its not happening.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If there's no violent opposition then there's no nothing. There's a hundred or so piss-head oddities walking down the street with a police escort while the locals look on in bemusement. Which could have then been followed by a march from the opposition a week later. Instead what you have is widespread media coverage of the far-right and far-left attacking each other and smashing the place up. I don't know who that is meant to help.

 

[Techno Natch]

Strictly that's not true. There was a similar march some time back in Bristol that went unchallenged some time ago. The racists were telling people that they were fighting and protesting against Muslim rape gangs and raising money for Lee Rigby. They handed out literature telling people that they can defend their country if they joined up with them and in particular they targeted young people. It's very easy for them to tap into those fears and bring people inside their little circle and I actually know someone who got suckered in that day. It might have happened anyway but it was still effective.

I don't agree with the fighting necessarily but these people should always be challenged as the alternative is they get carte blanche to spread their bile around.

I'd argue that social media is a more effective recruitment tool. Unfortunately its also getting into the heads of young children that don't know better if what my niece is telling me about her school is true. Even so there is a reason why they continue to have street marches and that's because a street presence is still effective.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I don't see why their literature can't be countered with opposition literature, and I think you're over-estimating this mob if you don't think they'd organize marches purely for the ruck.

 

[Aber gas]

I don't see why their literature can't be countered with opposition literature, and I think you're over-estimating this mob if you don't think they'd organize marches purely for the ruck.

Were you in Dover today?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Of course not.

 

[Aber gas]

Of course not.

Oh ok, reading your posts I thought you were. You just seem to know a lot about what happened.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Posting this without comment (in much the same way noted non-racist Ebeneezer Goode might) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35451080

 

[Womble98]

Posting this without comment (in much the same way noted non-racist Ebeneezer Goode might) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35451080

The violence is wrong and justice must be enforced. However I can see why they have done what they have. They have a police force that struggles with crime committed by different ethnicities, as the police in this country have in northern towns (i.e. rotherham etc). They don't feel protected. This is the result of that. Refugees who come in must come in in an organised fashion otherwise this kind of stuff is what happens.

 

[Alty]

Posting this without comment (in much the same way noted non-racist Ebeneezer Goode might) - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35451080

Very upsetting story. But as MorDon says, it's happened because the less enlightened members of society have lost confidence in the politicians and the police.

Christ knows how Sweden and Germany are going to clean up the mess they've created.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

As expected two sets of useful idiots turned up and got the day out they were hoping for. Lots of violence, not much politics, with complete disregard for the people of Dover. The "anti-racists" ironically spearheaded by the wobbling racist mass of horror that is Diane Abbot.

A coach-load of fascists brutally attacked a bus of terrified Russian schoolkids in Maidstone because they thought they were anti-fascists.

You can't think of Dover as a demonstration in the conventional sense (even by far-right standards) - it was an attempt by the National Front to demonstrate their resurgance - a show of power.

There have been previous demonstrations in Dover that haven't been effectively opposed - and yesterday was trying to illustrate to the soft-fash that the far-right was once again a force to be reckoned with - and could once again control the streets of a town.

If it hadn't been militantly opposed, the fash would have run around smashing up kebab shops and curry houses, beating up anyone they could get close to. This still happened to an extent in Dover yesterday - the fascist turnout was so large that gangs of roaming fash were attacking anyone they could well away from the main demo. Had we not lost about a third of the total militant turnout in Maidstone, maybe the we could have countered that more effectively.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Very upsetting story. But as MorDon says, it's happened because the less enlightened members of society have lost confidence in the politicians and the police.

Christ knows how Sweden and Germany are going to clean up the mess they've created.

Justifying beating up children. Jesus Christ - don't think even Ebeneezer Goode would sink that low.

 

[Alty]

Justifying beating up children. Jesus Christ - don't think even Ebeneezer Goode would sink that low.

Except I never justified it at all you fucking idiot.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Except I never justified it at all you fucking idiot.

Nah, you're just presenting it as understandable, given the actions of the Swedish government.

 

[Alty]

Nah, you're just presenting it as understandable, given the actions of the Swedish government.

I was trying to explain. I don't agree with Hamas actions but I acknowledge Israeli Gov action helps cause it.

 

[Techno Natch]

I was trying to explain. I don't agree with Hamas actions but I acknowledge Israeli Gov action helps cause it.

Yeah that's how I read it too. I am sure Ian can understand how western actions in the middle east has helped to create groups like ISIS. We all know that's not the same as condoning what they have done.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Yeah that's how I read it too. I am sure Ian can understand how western actions in the middle east has helped to create groups like ISIS. We all know that's not the same as condoning what they have done.

I still think that's different though. I mean, I can understand the *rise of ISIS and the support for them among Sunni Arabs in parts of Iraq and Syria* as a consequence of a power vacuum in Iraq and Shia sectarianism, but if I was to respond to specific reports of, for example, a mass execution of gay men in Deir-ez-Zur with "sadly this has happened because of a power vacuum caused by US/British imperialism", that would be really suspect way of responding, right? You'd have every right to call me an apologist for homophobic murderers?

So yeah, while the rise of the far-right across Europe may have its roots in the moral or political failures of the liberal project, these violent gang attacks aren't caused by that at all.

They're motivated by violent racism and opportunism.

And it's massively fucking weird and suspect to immediately rush to blame failures of the liberal project for the specific actions of far-right groups.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If I'm not mistaken the place in question had been reported on as being made a no-go area by migrant youths earlier in the week, there was also stories about the Swedish police being short of numbers and unable to cope. It seems like violent vigilantism rather than just an arbitrary racist attack.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

vigilantes are never as cool in real life as they are in the comic books. i want caped crusaders fighting injustice, instead we get violent skinheads misguidedly attacking kids

 

[Aber gas]

I shouldn't think that the racist scum who attacked refugees in Sweden became racist scum because of Sweden admitting refugees. Perhaps they feel more empowered by the current backlash but normal people don't suddenly start attacking children because they disagree with their countries asylum policy. This bunch of sad fucks are probably already fully formed fascists with the odd aryan obsessive chucked in.
Whether the refugee situation and the associated media shitstorm will bolster their sympathisers is definitely a pertinent question.

 

[Aber gas]

Dover was certainly interesting. A highly charged atmosphere probably to be expected. I was most pleased by the amount of locals out to oppose the racist dregs. Always heartening to see "non militant " people kicking fash scum off their streets.
No pasaran

 

[Womble98]

fash

You guys do know fascist's doesn't have an h in it?