The National League resolution vote

[MrGloverLover]

 

[#Beebot]

It is fair to say this has not gone down well in Cleethorpes. I get the impression they were pinning their hopes of staying in the league on it.

Better start winning games, lads.

Their fans on Twitter are desperately looking for a loophole by which the EFL can refuse to relegate.

 

[#Beebot]

I wouldn’t be that surprised to see Dover back in with a team of freebies and rag tags now that the vote is official.

That's already what they are, and have been all season.

 

[BarraMatt]

I felt we deserved to go up last year and we were fortunate enough that the NL decided to award promotions and relegation based on performance to that point.

We have been shit this year and there's every chance we may come back down and if we do we deserve it - things work both ways.

 

[Wooderson]

Their fans on Twitter are desperately looking for a loophole by which the EFL can refuse to relegate.

Yes. I’m not sure a handful of clubs potentially putting out weakened sides for the remainder of this season will be enough for the EFL to suspend relegation, to be honest. Sadly for Grimsby there are enough well-off or bankrolled clubs down here to ensure the NL gets a start next season, too, especially if getting fans back in is a realistically possibility.

 

[jacobncfc]

Yes. I’m not sure a handful of clubs potentially putting out weakened sides for the remainder of this season will be enough for the EFL to suspend relegation, to be honest. Sadly for Grimsby there are enough well-off or bankrolled clubs down here to ensure the NL gets a start next season, too, especially if getting fans back in is a realistically possibility.

If fans aren’t back on the scale needed at our level by August, we really are in trouble.

 

[Gibber_McGee]

There's no way that the EFL will not go through with relegation and promotion, unless something really drastic happens. I understand why Grimsby fans hope they will miraculously suspend it - I probably would too in their position - but they are really clutching at straws. Maybe Dover won't fulfil their fixtures, but I'd be surprised if any other clubs go down that path.

 

[Wooderson]

If fans aren’t back on the scale needed at our level by August, we really are in trouble.

Yes. Even a reduced capacity should be enough for most clubs at this level.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

Glad I suppose that the season is carrying on, but there are still more questions than answers. The biggest of which to me is how does n and voiding the two lower leagues affect the perceived integrity of the competition as a whole? As with last season, it’s a concern that the EFL clubs will look for any excuse to scrap relegation if only for a season. Particularly when they know relegation from the PL isn’t in doubt this time around.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

There's no way that the EFL will not go through with relegation and promotion, unless something really drastic happens. I understand why Grimsby fans hope they will miraculously suspend it - I probably would too in their position - but they are really clutching at straws. Maybe Dover won't fulfil their fixtures, but I'd be surprised if any other clubs go down that path.

Why won’t they?

 

[#Beebot]

Glad I suppose that the season is carrying on, but there are still more questions than answers. The biggest of which to me is how does n and voiding the two lower leagues affect the perceived integrity of the competition as a whole? As with last season, it’s a concern that the EFL clubs will look for any excuse to scrap relegation if only for a season. Particularly when they know relegation from the PL isn’t in doubt this time around.

It doesn't and it isn't. It's just a Grimsby fantasy that won't come to fruition.

 

[jacobncfc]

Why won’t they?

There’s no particular reason for them to. If nothing else, it would be an absolute PR disaster for them.

 

[#Beebot]

Why won’t they?

I still wouldn't rule out demotion for clubs that refuse to fulfil fixtures, or some kind of mini league arrangement to appease Dorking and others that would conveniently replace any demoted clubs.

 

[TheShayWay]

Yes. Even a reduced capacity should be enough for most clubs at this level.

We really should be in a position by August where there should be no restrictions on life period. They are planning to vaccinate the top 9 risk groups by the end of May after that has happened it's time to just crack on. The risk is never going to be zero

 

[#Beebot]

We really should be in a position by August where there should be no restrictions on life period. They are planning to vaccinate the top 9 risk groups by the end of May after that has happened it's time to just crack on. The risk is never going to be zero

In theory yes however I expect restrictions to remain in place for a long while yet.

 

[Wooderson]

We really should be in a position by August where there should be no restrictions on life period. They are planning to vaccinate the top 9 risk groups by the end of May after that has happened it's time to just crack on. The risk is never going to be zero

Be that as it may, can you really see 70,000 in Old Trafford come August? But as I say, at our level no-one fills or needs full capacity anyway.

 

[Gibber_McGee]

Why won’t they?

As far as I'm aware, there is no EFL rule about how clubs from the National League are declared the winner. The national league nominates the two clubs who are to be promoted based on the results of their own competition. E.g. last season it was on PPG, before that the National League changed the play-off structure etc. This season it will be based on the season that it has been possible to play.

The EFL have no legal reason to shut off promotion this season and it would just end up in a huge, expensive mess which would drag on. It's in no-one's interest and would garner little support (except from the two clubs who finish bottom of league 2).

 

[Wooderson]

I still wouldn't rule out demotion for clubs that refuse to fulfil fixtures, or some kind of mini league arrangement to appease Dorking and others that would conveniently replace any demoted clubs.

Yes. Or say the NL says ‘Ok - we won’t demote you, but anyone who doesn’t fulfil their fixtures this season starts next season on minus 10/20/30’.

You’re going to find a way to put a side out.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

There’s no particular reason for them to. If nothing else, it would be an absolute PR disaster for them.

Would it? If we were knocking around the lower reaches of league 2(ah the good old days) I would absolutely expect us to look for any excuse to get rid of relegation for a bit and tbh fuck the PR. And the argument that you can’t relegate member teams into a Mickey Mouse league where some of the teams can’t afford to finish the season, and either give it up or play the kids sounds a pretty good excuse to me.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Redshaw & Brown been very good,Duckworth been injured nearly all season,
Brand new stadium ready 22600 watched us on tuesday with record streaming revenue and can’t play.shame rest of tinpotters can’t earn money through streaming when most of them got a season worth of income through earlier grant.

Welcome to the forum

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

As far as I'm aware, there is no EFL rule about how clubs from the National League are declared the winner. The national league nominates the two clubs who are to be promoted based on the results of their own competition. E.g. last season it was on PPG, before that the National League changed the play-off structure etc. This season it will be based on the season that it has been possible to play.

The EFL have no legal reason to shut off promotion this season and it would just end up in a huge, expensive mess which would drag on. It's in no-one's interest and would garner little support (except from the two clubs who finish bottom of league 2).

Well let’s hope so. Might be worth bearing in mind though that the only reason they kept the two relegation places last season was that the EFL shit themselves at the prospect of no promotion to the PL. That‘s not the case this year.

 

[Wooderson]

Who knows when that might raise it’s ugly head again? The EFL wouldn’t have much of a leg to stand on if it had suspended relegation to the NL because Weymouth played a few kids.

 

[CFC91]

Grimsby tears. You absolutely love to see that

 

[Gibber_McGee]

Well let’s hope so. Might be worth bearing in mind though that the only reason they kept the two relegation places last season was that the EFL shit themselves at the prospect of no promotion to the PL. That‘s not the case this year.

There's also this from the BBC story on the vote - albeit no name for the source: "I spoke to someone in the EFL earlier who said promotion and relegation between the two leagues is still expected."

National League season to continue

 

[jacobncfc]

Would it? If we were knocking around the lower reaches of league 2(ah the good old days) I would absolutely expect us to look for any excuse to get rid of relegation for a bit and tbh fuck the PR. And the argument that you can’t relegate member teams into a Mickey Mouse league where some of the teams can’t afford to finish the season, and either give it up or play the kids sounds a pretty good excuse to me.

Obviously we would, as will whoever the two teams that finish at the bottom of League Two. I can’t see any wider support for it, though, more likely the opposite with there still being that worry about it creating a precedent for the Premier League.

Fundamentally, I don’t think the organisation as a whole particularly cares whether it has Grimsby and Barrow or, say, Torquay and Notts, as members for next season. It’d take the path of least resistance, which is doing what it normally does.

 

[Soup Ladle]

I still think Barnet are going down, their fans are telling me it's a dead cert.

 

[karlready]

Marc White could always play w̶i̶t̶h̶ against himself....

 

[karlready]

I had those four plus Woking and Weymouth as nailed on. Other one could be anyone from Yeovil, Daggers, Halifax and Aldershot presumably.

Shots board so far staying schtum about which way they voted. Rumour and noises off indicate that we may well have voted N&V.

 

[rudebwoyben]

I still think Barnet are going down, their fans are telling me it's a dead cert.

Of course, plus ça change.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Of course, plus ça change.

Can doveranddover translate that for me please..?