The National League resolution vote

[chipmunx]

I'm still unsure on what basis these legal challenges come from?

It was threatened all the time in the EFL, most notably by McAnthony (and then Palios for differing reasons), but he presumably then realised that he'd in effect be suing actual Club's rather than the EFL as they're the members who ultimately vote on the decision.

How much did South Shields piss up the wall last season on failed legal challenges? £200k, £300k?


Why would the EFL support them and get involved in something that has nothing to do with them?!

I think it's an attempt at leverage against the NL board - making them think they might lose promotion if NLS loses it...

 

[OneDecentLester]

Why would the EFL support them and get involved in something that has nothing to do with them?!

They won’t

it’s just another power trip from another unsustainable money bag club that thinks they have more influence than they actually do and are somewhat ‘entitled’ to having anything they want.

Fact is, the vote passed and as frustrating for those clubs as it is, they’re gunna have to suck it up and get on with it I’m afraid.... just like those clubs who voted N&V would have to if the vote went the way of ‘playing on’ at that level

 

[Gladders]

Dartford aren't happy either, based on these quotes from the statement they published today:

"The result, in simple terms, was that out of 64 member clubs, 40 voted to carry on and 24 wanted the season to end.
This just goes to show that the league rules are flawed, where a vast minority of clubs can defeat the majority opinion."

Were does he get those numbers from? Thought it was 31-32 for/against null and void, adding all votes together?

7-13 for NL
15-7 for NLN
9-12 for NLS

 

[Swedes]

If some clubs at NLN and NLS level are hell bent on carrying on, then maybe these teams could be amalgamated into one league for the rest of the season. For example:

The 6 from NLN and 12 from NLN who wanted to continue form an 18 team league. All teams start on the points total and goal difference they were at after 13 matches (the least number of games played by any of these teams (York and Boston) at time of curtailment. Each team plays each other once, so 17 games remaining. Promotion to NL for the winners (and/or others depending on placing or playoffs).

All clubs have to test their players a minimum of twice weekly, anything less that this leads to expulsion and their record for the season wiping. If teams don't like the extra travel, then go null and void with the rest of us (and why are you trying to get promotion to the National League anyway?). Im sure the clubs will be willing to take out a loan to finish the season if required, after all it is what they voted for.

It's a far from perfect solution, but it could keep most sides happy.

 

[Optipez]

This has been badly done by the NL board. There's ample room for promotion and relegation between step 1 and 2.
Step 1 teams who don't want to play could have all results expunged but face the fact they'll face mandatory relegation.
Step 2 teams who don't want to play, stop and have all results expunged but with no relegation.
Step 2 teams who wish, get to play on to a conclusion. NLN would look a bit daft with a tiny league but in unprecedented times you get through as best you can.
So, it may be that seven drop out the NL, with only four replacing them for next season but the numbers would be righted the 22/23 season with one less relegation from step 1 and an extra promotion from step 2 N and S.
This should stop legal proceedings, stop clubs becoming insolvent, allow those that want to continue to be able to do so, keeps relegation and promotion in place and integrity between all the professional leagues.
None of it's perfect but crushing teams aspirations by diktat is going to lead to a rancorous set up for years to come and is the very opposite of how a competitive pyramid system works.
Giving Barnet a free pass while screwing Fylde is not the way to go I don't think.

 

[rudebwoyben]

This has been badly done by the NL board. There's ample room for promotion and relegation between step 1 and 2.
Step 1 teams who don't want to play could have all results expunged but face the fact they'll face mandatory relegation.
Step 2 teams who don't want to play, stop and have all results expunged but with no relegation.
Step 2 teams who wish, get to play on to a conclusion. NLN would look a bit daft with a tiny league but in unprecedented times you get through as best you can.
So, it may be that seven drop out the NL, with only four replacing them for next season but the numbers would be righted the 22/23 season with one less relegation from step 1 and an extra promotion from step 2 N and S.
This should stop legal proceedings, stop clubs becoming insolvent, allow those that want to continue to be able to do so, keeps relegation and promotion in place and integrity between all the professional leagues.
None of it's perfect but crushing teams aspirations by diktat is going to lead to a rancorous set up for years to come and is the very opposite of how a competitive pyramid system works.
Giving Barnet a free pass while screwing Fylde is not the way to go I don't think.

It should be the mandatory way to go!

 

[Ban Fat Stan]

If some clubs at NLN and NLS level are hell bent on carrying on, then maybe these teams could be amalgamated into one league for the rest of the season. For example:

The 6 from NLN and 12 from NLN who wanted to continue form an 18 team league. All teams start on the points total and goal difference they were at after 13 matches (the least number of games played by any of these teams (York and Boston) at time of curtailment. Each team plays each other once, so 17 games remaining. Promotion to NL for the winners (and/or others depending on placing or playoffs).

All clubs have to test their players a minimum of twice weekly, anything less that this leads to expulsion and their record for the season wiping. If teams don't like the extra travel, then go null and void with the rest of us (and why are you trying to get promotion to the National League anyway?). Im sure the clubs will be willing to take out a loan to finish the season if required, after all it is what they voted for.

It's a far from perfect solution, but it could keep most sides happy.

Can I include my sons under 11s as well in this lol.

 

[rudebwoyben]

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You cannot tell me we don’t need this man in the big league.

Is he the new Glenn Tamplin?

 

[Railway Blue]

It would have to be someone from the South. We should all get a vote.

I vote Dartford. I like their funny stadium.

Yes I like Dartford too. Its probably the only stadium where we have a 100% record. P2 W2

 

[Optipez]

It should be the mandatory way to go!

if I say York rather than Fylde would it help?
Everyone seems to have a downer on Fylde.

 

[#Beebot]

Dover charged with failing to fulfil fixtures and now claiming there is an "agenda" to complete the league.

There was a vote, Jim.

He's also pretending that the £150 fee the club has to pay when charged is going to hurt them financially.

NATIONAL LEAGUE CHARGES DOVER – DOVER ATHLETIC FC

www.doverathletic.com

 

[Wooderson]

Dover charged with failing to fulfil fixtures and now claiming there is an "agenda" to complete the league.

There was a vote, Jim.

He's also pretending that the £150 fee the club has to pay when charged is going to hurt them financially.

NATIONAL LEAGUE CHARGES DOVER – DOVER ATHLETIC FC

www.doverathletic.com

What are the punishments for failing to fulfill fixtures? Clearly any fines or points deductions are pretty redundant this season. I imagine it will be some kind of threat regarding next, or the threat of complete expulsion.

 

[EnglishRed]

Is he the new Glenn Tamplin?

Yeah what's his deal? The way they've gone through the leagues suggests a hefty financial backing but I dont know anything about them.

 

[Ban Fat Stan]

To be fair reading an article on Marc White his story with them is quite remarkable. Good to luck to him with Dorking.

 

[rudebwoyben]

if I say York rather than Fylde would it help?
Everyone seems to have a downer on Fylde.

Hobby club in the middle of nowheresville in the Blackpool hinterland, propped up by a fervent supporter of the Brexit Party..what’s not to dislike?

 

[B2TF]

Can doveranddover translate that for me please..?

??? You learned nothing from that monkey?

 

[Optipez]

Hobby club in the middle of nowheresville in the Blackpool hinterland, propped up by a fervent supporter of the Brexit Party..what’s not to dislike?

Gotta love an open mind.

 

[ForzaCounty]

It's unfortunate that clubs are having to close out the season against their individual wishes, but any sympathy I might have for them is being eroded by them taking the absolute piss by bending the facts beyond breaking point in order to suit them

Dorking retweeting anyone who spouts that "40 clubs voted to continue" lie... to reach that figure you have to count step 2 clubs that voted against Res.3 with step 1 clubs that voted in favour of Res.1, which is just... no. A reasonable observer could never look at the figures and interpret it that way, and I see no way somebody could logically do so unless they were being deliberately disingenuous.

Those 21 step 1 clubs were being asked whether each level should decide on their own future, and they unanimously (well, a couple of abstentions) agreed with it. They chose to not hold sway over the step 2 clubs' vote. The fact that 18 step 2 clubs voted against their own empowerment is testament to the byzantine web of self-interest that the proposed resolutions allowed, but still, even then a majority of step 2 clubs (25:18) also agreed they should have control over their own season.

That's what happened, chosen democratically no matter how you spin it, and a majority of step 2 clubs voted democratically to end their season.

You could argue that, combining the votes for Res.2 and 3, the vote was 32:31 against ending the season... but again, it would be a flawed argument as those are two different votes for two different issues.

If your case relies upon deliberately misrepresenting the intentions behind the way others cast their votes, then you don't have much of a case at all.

 

[ForzaCounty]

To add to that, anyone actually spending money on legal advice is pissing money up the wall, Sould Shields-style

 

[TheShayWay]

Is mandatory relegation a guarentee for those teams who refuse to play?
If so it might stop a few national league clubs from stopping
If it isnt why wouldn't anyone not in a promotion battle just sack it off till September.

There has to be consequences to those who don't play on surely. As unfair as that might sound

 

[TonyM]

Is mandatory relegation a guarentee for those teams who refuse to play?
If so it might stop a few national league clubs from stopping
If it isnt why wouldn't anyone not in a promotion battle just sack it off till September.

There has to be consequences to those who don't play on surely. As unfair as that might sound

Looks like we might be getting ready to test that out Club statement - King's Lynn Town FC

 

[Wooderson]

Looks like we might be getting ready to test that out Club statement - King's Lynn Town FC

Sounds to me like Cleeve wants to find out what will happen to Dover before he decides to play on or not...

 

[jacobncfc]

Sounds to me like Cleeve wants to find out what will happen to Dover before he decides to play on or not...

Yup, exactly as I read it.

 

[GTFCfish]

It is fair to say this has not gone down well in Cleethorpes. I get the impression they were pinning their hopes of staying in the league on it.

Better start winning games, lads.

Most of us were not daft enough to expect it to happen, seemed obvious for weeks now that the National League will be playing on.
Would’ve been nice to get a reprieve but our performances this season pre Hurst are fully deserving of relegation and much as I’ll be gutted to be down here again I’ve already started coming round to it a bit now.

 

[doveranddover]

How long will it take to decide Dover's fate? months?
The league can dish out a few fines for not playing games but relegation/demotion might be after the end of the season

 

[jacobncfc]

How long will it take to decide Dover's fate? months?
The league can dish out a few fines for not playing games but relegation/demotion might be after the end of the season

They’ll need to make a decision on whether they’re expunging your results pretty quickly.

 

[ForzaCounty]

They’ll need to make a decision on whether they’re expunging your results pretty quickly.

Wow, you really are new 'round here aren't you

 

[doveranddover]

probably be done after the play offs

 

[Stoney Ground]

I don't like the way they're going about it but there's no reason why there shouldn't at least be promotion spots to replace Macclesfield and Dover and a mini league would be a sensible way of doing that.

So if you have a mini league of the 12 sides in the South, you then have to have it for the 7 in the North.
South play each other twice and North play each other 3/4 times, top team gets promoted from each division and bottom of each division relegated.

So keeps the integrity of relegation and promotion.

 

[TheShayWay]

probably be done after the play offs

As a Dover fan what's your take on your stance?
Would you rather stay in the league and take on the loans or be demoted out of the National League?