The National League resolution vote

[jacobncfc]

Not much in here to argue with really IMO.

Joint press release by the 18 clubs in the North and South who voted to carry on - Dartford Football Club Official Website

Dear Mr Ives, Following the results of the voting on the National League resolutions dated 1 February 2021, we write to you on behalf of the clubs that voted to fulfil the 2020-21 National League North and South season. We feel the options presented in the resolutions did not provide an...

www.dartfordfc.com

 

[doveranddover]

As a Dover fan what's your take on your stance?
Would you rather stay in the league and take on the loans or be demoted out of the National League?

I feel we ought be relegated whatever
To the south or the Isthmian I don't know. There's probably no precedent.
I suppose Parmenter had to draw a line to how much he would pay out to run the club with no money coming in.
Although he won't admit it I'm sure he realises the board[including him] ballsed up the lottery money.
He spent the summer saying lots of clubs would go bust - that backfired too

 

[Ban Fat Stan]

The cherry on the cake would be all those teams who have beaten Dover to lose their points....Barnet one of the few teams to take a good beating by Dover...lols....

 

[jacobncfc]

The cherry on the cake would be all those teams who have beaten Dover to lose their points....Barnet one of the few teams to take a good beating by Dover...lols....

It’d be a three point swing to us from basically everyone else near the top. We somehow managed to lose to them.

 

[ForzaCounty]

Not much in here to argue with really IMO.

Not even read past the second paragraph and I've already got plenty to argue with

56.8% in favour, versus 40.9% against, is described as "a very small majority"

"as a league of members (66 clubs) the vote delivered a majority result in favour of continuing the season" no, that never happened. They're combining two seperate votes for two seperate issues.

Now I've gotten to their bullet points, and the first one appears to boil down to "people would be a bit happier with football going on". It then gets even weaker after that.

Like I say earlier, any sympathy I have for these clubs is being rapidly eroded by these attempts to undermine the whole democratic process. And if you're not going to abide by the majority wishes of a league (a word that literally means 'group of co-operating members') then what was the bloody point of joining one?

If that's too much for you then fine, bugger off and start your own 'league', with hookers and blackjack. I'll enjoy hearing about it fragmenting further as your little empires clash more & more.

 

[Paul Torquay]

Hobby club in the middle of nowheresville in the Blackpool hinterland, propped up by a fervent supporter of the Brexit Party..what’s not to dislike?

Indeed. Had the misfortune to meet the Fylde chairman at a work event in 2010. Can honestly say he’s one of the biggest arseholes I’ve ever met. Spoke to everyone like a piece of sh*t and spent the entire time bragging about how much money he had, whilst abusing the waitresses and bar staff. Basically refused to deal with his company after that

 

[doveranddover]

It’d be a three point swing to us from basically everyone else near the top. We somehow managed to lose to them.

And Eastleigh. We hadn't played Sutton or Hartlepool

 

[Jerry]

Hessenthaler seems to be saying that Dover have been operating on a part time budget all season, so what the hell did they spend the £85,000 a month they received from the lottery on then?

'A part-time budget in a full-time league'

Dover boss Andy Hessenthaler on the challenge of trying to compete in the National League this season.

www.kentonline.co.uk

 

[doveranddover]

How much is your budget, do you know?

 

[#Beebot]

Not even read past the second paragraph and I've already got plenty to argue with

56.8% in favour, versus 40.9% against, is described as "a very small majority"

"as a league of members (66 clubs) the vote delivered a majority result in favour of continuing the season" no, that never happened. They're combining two seperate votes for two seperate issues.

Now I've gotten to their bullet points, and the first one appears to boil down to "people would be a bit happier with football going on". It then gets even weaker after that.

Like I say earlier, any sympathy I have for these clubs is being rapidly eroded by these attempts to undermine the whole democratic process. And if you're not going to abide by the majority wishes of a league (a word that literally means 'group of co-operating members') then what was the bloody point of joining one?

If that's too much for you then fine, bugger off and start your own 'league', with hookers and blackjack. I'll enjoy hearing about it fragmenting further as your little empires clash more & more.

What do the null and voiders at step 2 lose as a result of a mini league?

 

[DarkSithLord]

Indeed. Had the misfortune to meet the Fylde chairman at a work event in 2010. Can honestly say he’s one of the biggest arseholes I’ve ever met. Spoke to everyone like a piece of sh*t and spent the entire time bragging about how much money he had, whilst abusing the waitresses and bar staff. Basically refused to deal with his company after that

Welcome to the forum

 

[#Beebot]

Indeed. Had the misfortune to meet the Fylde chairman at a work event in 2010. Can honestly say he’s one of the biggest arseholes I’ve ever met. Spoke to everyone like a piece of sh*t and spent the entire time bragging about how much money he had, whilst abusing the waitresses and bar staff. Basically refused to deal with his company after that

Great first post.

 

[Wooderson]

Olly Bayliss this morning is reporting 19 step 1 and 2 clubs ‘will be offered’ (presumably having applied for?) loans totalling £5.4m, which averages out at £284k per club. Clubs to be ‘notified of the decisions early next week’...

 

[EnglishRed]

I feel we ought be relegated whatever
To the south or the Isthmian I don't know. There's probably no precedent.
I suppose Parmenter had to draw a line to how much he would pay out to run the club with no money coming in.
Although he won't admit it I'm sure he realises the board[including him] ballsed up the lottery money.
He spent the summer saying lots of clubs would go bust - that backfired too

What I dont really get is how Dover were allowed to start the season when Parmenter was saying that there was no money in March 2020, and then again in August.

We had to put up a bond of 250k back in 2011 to show we could fulfill our fixtures. Why wasn't the same applied to Dover?

 

[Shotsfan1993]

If some clubs at NLN and NLS level are hell bent on carrying on, then maybe these teams could be amalgamated into one league for the rest of the season. For example:

The 6 from NLN and 12 from NLN who wanted to continue form an 18 team league. All teams start on the points total and goal difference they were at after 13 matches (the least number of games played by any of these teams (York and Boston) at time of curtailment. Each team plays each other once, so 17 games remaining. Promotion to NL for the winners (and/or others depending on placing or playoffs).

All clubs have to test their players a minimum of twice weekly, anything less that this leads to expulsion and their record for the season wiping. If teams don't like the extra travel, then go null and void with the rest of us (and why are you trying to get promotion to the National League anyway?). Im sure the clubs will be willing to take out a loan to finish the season if required, after all it is what they voted for.

It's a far from perfect solution, but it could keep most sides happy.

To be honest, there's enough time for the clubs interested to start a new combined league from scratch and play each other once (assuming they play twice a week). Given most games will be behind closed doors, home advantage doesn't count for a lot and as long as they play half at home and half away, it would be reasonably fair.

Winner goes up automatically, 2nd to 7th goes into the playoffs. Bottom side in National League goes down.

 

[Shotsfan1993]

The cherry on the cake would be all those teams who have beaten Dover to lose their points....Barnet one of the few teams to take a good beating by Dover...lols....

We beat Dover 5-0 in October so our goal difference would take a hammering too!

 

[#Beebot]

What I dont really get is how Dover were allowed to start the season when Parmenter was saying that there was no money in March 2020, and then again in August.

We had to put up a bond of 250k back in 2011 to show we could fulfill our fixtures. Why wasn't the same applied to Dover?

Probably because Parmenter's words very often don't match with reality.

 

[EnglishRed]

Probably because Parmenter's words very often don't match with reality.

Well exactly, they should have called his bluff.

 

[Haxbyreds]

Olly Bayliss this morning is reporting 19 step 1 and 2 clubs ‘will be offered’ (presumably having applied for?) loans totalling £5.4m, which averages out at £284k per club. Clubs to be ‘notified of the decisions early next week’...

will be interesting to see how many step 2 teams have been granted it to carry on playing.

 

[TonyM]

I think given there is a sizable group of clubs and enough time to organise it (appreciate there might not be the will or capability at the NL) there could be either one big or two smaller routes for the NLS and NLN clubs to set up competitions to secure a number of promotion candidates to the NL.

It would then be up to the bottom NL clubs (mine included) to decide if they want to carry on and fight it out to avoid being in the bottom 2 (assuming Dover are already out of the equation) or if they want to drop down to step 3 (which is where I think Dover should be for 2021/22). If there ends up more than two more dropping out then pick more from the step 2 competition to promote. I would also look at PPG over 19/20 & 20/21 at step 3 to offer promotion if there are more places that need to be filled at step 2

Is the above ideal - no, and it certainly penalises clubs who can't afford to operate with no gate receipts at step 1 but for the continuation of the season and avoiding things potentially becoming even more of a farce with youth teams etc being talked about I think it is probably the lesser of all the bad options

 

[Bee sting]

Clubs had 28 days to mull over all the resolutions and then vote. The vote was cast and the majority wanted to stop. End of storey. You can't change the rules to suit the minority.

 

[JE93]

I don't really care for or against teams doing a mini league tbh. Following the majority vote, we as a club are able to protect ourselves for next season. If clubs have money to spend chasing Macclesfield's empty space in the National League and think they can get it let them get on with it.

One issue it does raise though. Is about relegation to step 3. In a Null and Void scenario its as if the season never happened so there are no grounds for promotion and no grounds for relegation. If these clubs start a mini league on the basis of promotion and relegation etc. Then what is to stop Step 3 leagues who could potentially start again in say April/May and play to the end of May/Mid-June. They would potentially play enough games for a PPG league result to be made. Would they then be able to demand promotion to the National Leagues at the expense of clubs who played and finished bottom of the mini leagues? Having a mini league for promotion surely can't just go one way? What is to stop step 3 demanding the same?

 

[Kenneth Dodd]

I’m with you with not being bothered about teams playing on as for the leagues below if a team get Mac’s place and the south is already one less than the North, so possibly two places up for grabs Unless I’ve had one to many.

 

[#Beebot]

I don't really care for or against teams doing a mini league tbh. Following the majority vote, we as a club are able to protect ourselves for next season. If clubs have money to spend chasing Macclesfield's empty space in the National League and think they can get it let them get on with it.

One issue it does raise though. Is about relegation to step 3. In a Null and Void scenario its as if the season never happened so there are no grounds for promotion and no grounds for relegation. If these clubs start a mini league on the basis of promotion and relegation etc. Then what is to stop Step 3 leagues who could potentially start again in say April/May and play to the end of May/Mid-June. They would potentially play enough games for a PPG league result to be made. Would they then be able to demand promotion to the National Leagues at the expense of clubs who played and finished bottom of the mini leagues? Having a mini league for promotion surely can't just go one way? What is to stop step 3 demanding the same?

With two vacant spots at step 2 plus the expansion to 24 teams per league, step 3 can have their promotions if they want them

 

[Stoney Ground]

Statement from our chairman seems fair enough.

An update from our chairman

I wanted to provide an update to fans on the current playing and financial situation given the continued uncertainty and the decision for the National League to continue. As recently communicated, the club has now gone almost 2 months without any meaningful revenue whilst continuing to incur a...

www.wealdstone-fc.com

 

[Aberstone]

I was just about to post that, scorched earth policy whereby we're going with the bare minimum for a playing squad.

 

[Pinner Stones]

Safeguarding the clubs future is paramount. Even the current loan funding was based on crowds being back on 1 April, so another two months funding required additionally. More loans.

 

[BornUnderTheElmslie]

The whole situation is a complete clusterfuck. I am dead against furloughing the first team squad but based on that statement I don't see we have any alternative.

 

[Pinner Stones]

The whole situation is a complete clusterfuck. I am dead against furloughing the first team squad but based on that statement I don't see we have any alternative.

Furloughing your players is morally wrong, but I don’t think we have any other choice. If we had normal income streams this season, we could have held our heads above water. It was doable, but we can’t cope with no income for five months. Loans are not the answer.

 

[EnglishRed]

Furloughing players in order to bring in new, better, players is morally wrong. Furloughing players to protect the club in the current circumstances seems acceptable to me.

There are going to be some crazy scores in a few weeks if half the league having to put out scratch teams of youth and non contract players. But with no relegation why not? The league will be a farce but its a situation the NL and Sports England have created.